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[Chao]

Hi guys, I need your advice.

My current set is a 40" LCD Bravia from 2010 or something like that. Not the best display, lots of motion blur which I hate and not the best contrast either.

Worked fine for me because I used to sit relatively close to it, with just a coffe table between me and the TV.

But last September I moved in a new house and the new living room is considerably bigger than the last one (around 30m2) and the couch is sitting against the wall, so now the TV is like 6 meters away from me and I can't read shit on it because of how tiny everything looks.

So I've decided to purchase a bigger set. Looking at the prices I see that 65 inches is the largest I can go before I start reading outrageous figures.

What's the best I can aim for, taking into account that I want to keep my budget below 2000€?

I'm interested in these new LG OLEDs because they seem to be the new hot stuff, but I checked the prices and had to lay down for a bit.

What would be the best below 2000€, future proofed with HDR 4K and all that stuff?

Thanks in advance!

 

[Jigolo]

http://hdguru.com/lg-begins-limited-roll-out-of-g6-signature-oled-tv/

G6 price: $7999

One of the VIP locations in SoFla brandsmart, interesting. Wonder which one

 

[Yoday]

I'm hoping there is a $1500~2000 4K LG OLED model, anything over that would be very hard to justify as TVs seem to evolve faster and faster nowadays.

$1500 is my sweet spot for a new TV. I am going to stick with my Panny Plasma for a few more years. I figure two years from now OLED will have had more time to mature, prices will have dropped significantly, and there will be enough 4K content to justify it. Basically I am waiting until I can get a decent 65" or larger OLED for around $1500.

 

[Reallink]

Any guesses as to when Vizio will release non-reference series 4k tvs that are Dolby HDR?

I think I'm ready to dip on a 4k TV (along with a beefy new PC when Pascal drops, to actually render 4k), but with HDR so close to getting settled I feel like I should wait it out.

Anyone think Vizio will have a reasonably affordably Dolby HDR tv this year, or is that more likely 2017?

I don't know about Dolby Vision (not sure how much the licensing is), but I fully expect their mainstream 2016 P or M series will support the Non-Dolby HDR standard. They may even be able to swing the UHD Premium moniker.

 

[Samurai G0SU]

Damn the more i keep reading this thread the more i want to wait to buy a 4k tv.

Hoping i will get a nice 55 inch that wont break the bank. I missed out on the vizio p series last year.

 

[JaggedSac]

Is there any risk of burn-in with lcd TVs?

 

[Dewoh]

Is there any risk of burn-in with lcd TVs?

It's a risk, but not a realistic one. LCDs have many problems, but burn-in isn't one of them.

 

[AndrewDean84xX]

What are some of your thoughts on the Samsung JU6500 or JU650D tv's?

 

[Yaari]

The 65EF9500 is 5000EUR right now, probably the best price I've seen it for around here. It's tempting but still going to wait for the hands-on and input lag test with the 2016 models.

 

[mikespit1200]

Anyone have good gaming/picture settings for a Vizio 4k M series 50 inch?

 

[Jigolo]

Anyone have good gaming/picture settings for a Vizio 4k M series 50 inch?

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=187932366

I have the same exact TV.

 

[Dead]

How many people here actually watch 3D on their TVs? For me it was never.

I used to find 3D on TV utterly horrific (active shutter with the terribly dark brightness, ghosting, crosstalk, headaches) and passive 1080p (sub FHD in each eye, visible pixels, crosstalk)

But LGs 4K OLED has totally changed my mind.

I posted about it in the Mad Max thread, but it's mind blowing how good 3D is on the set. The clarity is brilliant (4K means passive IS FHD in each eye), colors pop, and brightness is perfect resulting in a 3D picture that literally has no drawbacks (unless you count the glasses, but even then LG passive glasses weigh nothing and you forget youre wearing them)

It's a shame that most peoples intro to 3D at home was all the junk tech featured in the TVs from 4 or 5 years ago, because it wasn't until now that the tech has matured enough to work at home IMO.

 

[Starviper]

Anyone got a Hisense 55" 55H9B2 they can comment on? From the reviews on amazon and elsewhere it seems like really great bang for the buck, but i'm curious to hear some more opinions on if it's worthwhile over Samsung's.
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http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00ZGIJDOU/?tag=neogaf0e-20

 

[MrJames]

How many people here actually watch 3D on their TVs? For me it was never.

I used to find 3D on TV utterly horrific (active shutter with the terribly dark brightness, ghosting, crosstalk, headaches) and passive 1080p (sub FHD in each eye, visible pixels, crosstalk)

But LGs 4K OLED has totally changed my mind.

I posted about it in the Mad Max thread, but it's mind blowing how good 3D is on the set. The clarity is brilliant (4K means passive IS FHD in each eye), colors pop, and brightness is perfect resulting in a 3D picture that literally has no drawbacks (unless you count the glasses, but even then LG passive glasses weigh nothing and you forget youre wearing them)

It's a shame that most peoples intro to 3D at home was all the junk tech featured in the TVs from 4 or 5 years ago, because it wasn't until now that the tech has matured enough to work at home IMO.

I really wish more 4K displays used passive instead of active. It's perfect for Blu-ray 3D.

For those looking to get UHD BD on day one, it might be sooner than expected. Best Buy still has the Samsung player shipping on 2/12 and now Fox has changed the release date on all of its UHD title from 3/1 to 2/9.

https://www.foxconnect.com/4k-ultra-hd.html

 

[hoverboarder]

Anyone got a Hisense 55" 55H9B2 they can comment on? From the reviews on amazon and elsewhere it seems like really great bang for the buck, but i'm curious to hear some more opinions on if it's worthwhile over Samsung's.
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http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00ZGIJDOU/?tag=neogaf0e-20

Compared to the $999 55" Samsung JU6700 curved TV, this would be a better deal not only for price but also because it is 120 HZ native, and the 6700 is 60 HZ native. It should be assumed that processing and upscaling would be better on the Samsung, but I'm not a big fan of their image fidelity or oversaturated color to begin with so I'd just go for the Hisense. That said, you would be smartest to get the 55" Sony X810C at $999 which is overall a better TV for image fidelity, color, and refresh rate (120 HZ native still but 960 enhanced via processing.) Not a curved TV, but that's a good thing.

 

[Samurai G0SU]

best buy having a 20% discount on those OLED LG 4K tvs. wish i was balling right now haha.

 

[flyover]

Kind of a general question, but does anyone know if there's a site that keeps a current list/table of every TV model currently being manufactured for sale in the US? I don't even care if they have specs or reviews. I'm just looking for the make and model numbers.

 

[Hobbun]

It's a risk, but not a realistic one. LCDs have many problems, but burn-in isn't one of them.

So to clarify, which problems?

Not doubting, but thinking of going LCD and would like to know what I am getting into (if I do).

I know of Motion Resolution issues, doesn't have as good of angle viewing (like OLED), potential problems with blooming/haloing. Are there other ones I am missing?

 

[Dewoh]

So to clarify, which problems?

Not doubting, but thinking of going LCD and would like to know what I am getting into (if I do).

I know of Motion Resolution issues, doesn't have as good of angle viewing (like OLED), potential problems with blooming/haloing. Are there other ones I am missing?

Bad blacks, edge bleed, blooming, some have severe input lag, some are quite poor at handling motion, terrible contrast, horrendous viewing angles...

It's a really bad technology that I can't wait to see die.

 

[Hobbun]

Bad blacks, edge bleed, blooming, some have severe input lag, some are quite poor at handling motion, terrible contrast, horrendous viewing angles...

It's a really bad technology that I can't wait to see die.

I guess it depends on which LCD you go with. From what I have read, the Sony XBR930/940 series’ have resolved a lot of these issues, or at least the issues are quite minimal, especially with the 940 version.

And as for input lag, LCDs are actually better than the alternative of OLED.

Or were you strictly speaking LCD? Not LCD with LED backlighting?

 

[Dewoh]

I guess it depends on which LCD you go with. From what I have read, the Sony XBR930/940 series’ have resolved a lot of these issues, or at least the issues are quite minimal, especially with the 940 version.

And as for input lag, LCDs are actually better than the alternative of OLED.

Or were you strictly speaking LCD? Not LCD with LED backlighting?

As far as input lag, it varies wildly on which TV you have. Yes, OLED right now is borderline unusable. Which is a bummer since it's by far the best quality you can get.

FALD LCDs have fixed the edge bleed issue, but you're still getting "good" blacks as opposed to "pure" blacks. And blooming is a serious issue. It's always noticeable in menus, but luckily rarely in content. I noticed it in games on my JS9500 playing Arkham Knight, in detective mode. The bottom corners - where the button prompts are - bloom like crazy.

I group all LCD/LEDs (not OLED) into one group of televisions. I'm sad that we've given up quality in exchange for thin convenient panels. Luckily, in the next 5ish years, TV quality is going to radically improve as OLED becomes the standard, and not just a luxury high end product.

 

[Dr. Kitty Muffins]

As far as input lag, it varies wildly on which TV you have. Yes, OLED right now is borderline unusable. Which is a bummer since it's by far the best quality you can get.

Are the the new LG OLED TV's laggy too?

 

[DSmalls84]

Looking to buy a new 50-55 inch 4k set. I want to limit the cost to a max of like $1200-$1300. I plan on using it primarily for gaming(ps4/xbone)/blu-ray/streaming and would like something relatively future-proof. Don't really care if the tv is 3d or not. Any suggestions? In the last 10 years I have had two samsungs that have required repair so not sure if I want to go that route again.

 

[Hobbun]

As far as input lag, it varies wildly on which TV you have. Yes, OLED right now is borderline unusable. Which is a bummer since it's by far the best quality you can get.

FALD LCDs have fixed the edge bleed issue, but you're still getting "good" blacks as opposed to "pure" blacks. And blooming is a serious issue. It's always noticeable in menus, but luckily rarely in content. I noticed it in games on my JS9500 playing Arkham Knight, in detective mode. The bottom corners - where the button prompts are - bloom like crazy.

I group all LCD/LEDs (not OLED) into one group of televisions. I'm sad that we've given up quality in exchange for thin convenient panels. Luckily, in the next 5ish years, TV quality is going to radically improve as OLED becomes the standard, and not just a luxury high end product.

I haven't done any deep research of all of the LCDs out there, but I have read quite a few reviews of the high end Sony LCDs, the X930/940C, and at least for the 940 series, it seems to made a lot of improvements with earlier issues.

No, you won't get the pure black of the OLED with LCD, but with the high end LCDs, it's probably not something you would notice unless you put an OLED next to it. Besides, the OLEDs have issues of 'too much' black with the vignetting.

OLED is the best quality picture right now, as long as you are able to live with several quirks. The aforementioned vignetting, but also the high input lag, there is a yellow band showing up on recent LG OLED models, whether Panasonic will iron that out, as well as the vignetting, remains to be seen.

But there is also still issues with judder, and if you use the feature on the tvs to remove it, you unfortunately get the motion blur (Soap Opera effect).

I was concerned about the LCDs with motion resolution from previous history, but the reviews I've read (professional and user), again, with the high end Sony models, it seems that has been improved where it isn't really noticeable.

The blooming is something still I am leery on, though. I hear it is better, but that hasn't been as widely indicated (on improvement).

But in the end, there just seems to be less issues right now with the LCDs for me than ones I've been reading/seeing for OLED. If OLED can iron out those problems, then I agree, it is the future and I will be right there to purchase one.

 

[Raven117]

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But in the end, there just seems to be less issues right now with the LCDs for me than ones I've been reading/seeing for OLED. If OLED can iron out those problems, then I agree, it is the future and I will be right there to purchase one.

That was my reasoning as well when I bought my new 65 inch LCD.

I love it, and I made the right choice for my purposes.

 

[Yaari]

Are the the new LG OLED TV's laggy too?

I don't think the numbers are in yet, but they need plenty of work to be somewhat decent for gaming.

 

[ozz ex machina]

I'm really sorry if this request seems obnoxious/lazy, but have been skimming this thread and am struggling to find solid recommendations...my girlfriend is getting impatient and I'm scared of her rushing me into getting a TV I will regret.

Situation is that I am moving into a house with my partner and will need a 49-55" for the living room (I'm considering 4k but really not sure I need it, then again if it's going to be a good investment for the future I'm happy to take the financial hit now). This TV will be used for limited gaming (I think I might put the Wii U down there). So really picture quality for movies is the essential factor here.

Then for my room I think I'm looking for a 40-45 inch screen for my gaming setup. Low latency is the primary requirement here, picture quality comes secondary. What is the best model that I can get in the UK for something like that? All the low latency reviews I find seem really outdated at this point.

Any advice would be super appreciated!

 

[Jigolo]

Samsung to return to OLED TV market in 2017

http://www.oled-info.com/samsung-confirms-it-developing-oled-tv-panels

According to Merck, Samsung will indeed return to the OLED TV market, and will do so by 2017. Samsung released their first OLED TV, the KN55S9C, back in June 2013. The TV was available worldwide for a short time for around $10,000, and then dropped to around $6,000 (and even lower) - but Samsung soon stopped production and never released another TV. In 2014 Samsung officials repeatedly said that Samsung will not resume OLED TV production until 2016 or 2017, which coincides with Merck's estimates.

Competition + 80%-90% yields = lower prices


Hopefully Sony enters the OLED TV market as well.

 

[oni-link]

Does anyone know if the Samsung UE48JU6000 48" Smart 4K Ultra HD TV is any good for gaming? I'm struggling to find any stats for input lag

 

[Dewoh]

I'm really sorry if this request seems obnoxious/lazy, but have been skimming this thread and am struggling to find solid recommendations...my girlfriend is getting impatient and I'm scared of her rushing me into getting a TV I will regret.

Situation is that I am moving into a house with my partner and will need a 49-55" for the living room (I'm considering 4k but really not sure I need it, then again if it's going to be a good investment for the future I'm happy to take the financial hit now). This TV will be used for limited gaming (I think I might put the Wii U down there). So really picture quality for movies is the essential factor here.

Then for my room I think I'm looking for a 40-45 inch screen for my gaming setup. Low latency is the primary requirement here, picture quality comes secondary. What is the best model that I can get in the UK for something like that? All the low latency reviews I find seem really outdated at this point.

Any advice would be super appreciated!

We need to know budget before anyone can start giving you advice.

 

[Xenus]

I haven't done any deep research of all of the LCDs out there, but I have read quite a few reviews of the high end Sony LCDs, the X930/940C, and at least for the 940 series, it seems to made a lot of improvements with earlier issues.

No, you won't get the pure black of the OLED with LCD, but with the high end LCDs, it's probably not something you would notice unless you put an OLED next to it. Besides, the OLEDs have issues of 'too much' black with the vignetting.

OLED is the best quality picture right now, as long as you are able to live with several quirks. The aforementioned vignetting, but also the high input lag, there is a yellow band showing up on recent LG OLED models, whether Panasonic will iron that out, as well as the vignetting, remains to be seen.

But there is also still issues with judder, and if you use the feature on the tvs to remove it, you unfortunately get the motion blur (Soap Opera effect).

I was concerned about the LCDs with motion resolution from previous history, but the reviews I've read (professional and user), again, with the high end Sony models, it seems that has been improved where it isn't really noticeable.

The blooming is something still I am leery on, though. I hear it is better, but that hasn't been as widely indicated (on improvement).

But in the end, there just seems to be less issues right now with the LCDs for me than ones I've been reading/seeing for OLED. If OLED can iron out those problems, then I agree, it is the future and I will be right there to purchase one.

OLED is suffering from the fact that they are all really high end TV's so their is a lot image processing which it turn leads to input LAG other undesirable effects because they think it makes it stand out more. However there is no option to turn a lot of that off at the moment. That'll likely change in the next few years as more models get released especially if Samsung and Japan display jump on OLED TV's in 2017-2018 as expected.

 

[Lulu23]

What do you guys think would be an ideal screen size for me if I sit roughly 3,4 meters away from the TV?
Please mind that I'm coming from playing on a monitor at a desk, so in the past my screen filled a great portion of my vision.

I'm looking for a good 1080p set for gaming, watching shows etc. via chromecast is secondary, so obviously low input lag is key.

 

[ozz ex machina]

We need to know budget before anyone can start giving you advice.

£800 for the large screen.

£600 for the smaller. Can go slightly over on both .

 

[Aztechnology]

Whoa. This isn't as good as the 8000 or 9000 series but it's still a pretty great price on this TV. Might be one to consider Gaf. Very good for gaming and can do 4:4:4 @4k 60hz for PC users.

Samsung 50" JS7000 for $650 USD

The 50" panel is a VA panel, so has significantly better contrast than the review models found on Rtings for instance.

 

[kakashi08]

Looking for a good console gaming monitor between 24-34 inch. For my PS4. no Pc, just PS4.
FIRST
SECOND
THIRD: Something you recommend? Anything thats 24inch or 27 under $400.

I can't tell the diff between all the benq monitors. there all 24 and 27 inch but diff prices. Which one is best for ps4 only :/

 

[Aztechnology]

Looking for a good console gaming monitor between 24-34 inch. For my PS4. no Pc, just PS4.
FIRST
SECOND
THIRD: Something you recommend? Anything thats 24inch or 27 under $400.

I can't tell the diff between all the benq monitors. there all 24 and 27 inch but diff prices. Which one is best for ps4 only :/

No need to spend that much. The Ps4 cannot take advantage of anything beyond a 60hz refresh rate. I'd look for a decent quality 27" IPS or VA (probably hard to find but contrast is so much better) panel monitor at 60hz refresh rate with relatively good response times. You can go with TN for better response times but I personally don't think the color/contrast trade off is worth it.

Is there any reason you need/want it to be a monitor at that size though?

 

[BlizzyAzz]

Looking for a good console gaming monitor between 24-34 inch. For my PS4. no Pc, just PS4.
FIRST
SECOND
THIRD: Something you recommend? Anything thats 24inch or 27 under $400.

I can't tell the diff between all the benq monitors. there all 24 and 27 inch but diff prices. Which one is best for ps4 only :/

No need to spend that much. The Ps4 cannot take advantage of anything beyond a 60hz refresh rate. I'd look for a decent quality 27" IPS or VA (probably hard to find but contrast is so much better) panel monitor at 60hz refresh rate with relatively good response times. You can go with TN for better response times but I personally don't think the color/contrast trade off is worth it.

Is there any reason you need/want it to be a monitor at that size though?

Why not simply buy a 32" TV?
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/vizio/e-series-2015

If you're looking specific for a monitor, check the pc gaming thread:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=944920

 

[AfroLuffy]

Anyone have experience buying from shopsmarttvs.com? They have the LG 55EG9100 and the LG 55EC9300 on sale for $1425 and $1474 respectively.

Any reason I shouldn't pull the trigger on one of these sets? I'm not interested in 4k and for a 1080p set I'm not sure how I could do better. I'm not too worried about input lag since I'd only be using the set for casual gaming, but I may use the set as a PC monitor for a period of time -- has burn in been a problem? Also, is the ec9300 superior to the 9100 in some way? As this would be quite a large purchase for me, I'd be most grateful for any guidance.

 

[Jigolo]

Anyone have experience buying from shopsmarttvs.com? They have the LG 55EG9100 and the LG 55EC9300 on sale for $1425 and $1474 respectively.

Any reason I shouldn't pull the trigger on one of these sets? I'm not interested in 4k and for a 1080p set I'm not sure how I could do better. I'm not too worried about input lag since I'd only be using the set for casual gaming, but I may use the set as a PC monitor for a period of time -- has burn in been a problem? Also, is the ec9300 superior to the 9100 in some way? As this would be quite a large purchase for me, I'd be most grateful for any guidance.

Don't know anything about that seller. I recommend Cleveland Plasma as I've heard many good things about it but have no personal experience with them (AVS Forum users buy from CP all the time). If you do end up getting the TV, definitely get the 9100.

Also, if you can wait until next week there will probably be another $1400 9100 sale through reliable sellers on eBay or adorama because of the Super Bowl (I see the 9100 for $1400 pretty frequently now on slickdeals.net). There's almost always TV sales for the Super Bowl. LG has a huge OLED push coming next Sunday on the big game to intro their new models and the technology. I wouldn't be surprised if a few of their older OLED models go on some kind of clearance.

Good luck


EDIT: Actually funnily enough it's still on sale on eBay and Adorama is the seller! http://www.ebay.com/itm/LG-Electron...432081?hash=item5681b6db91:g:XhAAAOSwX~dWq7Ir

Deal ends in 2 hours tho

 

[Wibblewozzer]

What're a couple options for a good quality 65" TV offered by Best Buy (plan to use my card there for no interest financing).

The very upper end I'd be willing to pay is $3,000 if the quality puts it far above something like a $2,000 TV and if it's a bit more future proof. Ideally I've been looking at stuff around $1,500-$2,000 to give a better idea but mostly because I don't know what's worth the extra cost beyond that. My experience is with Samsung but skimming this last page it seems I should consider broadening my possibilities which is why I figured I'd just ask here.

Thanks!

 

[Dewoh]

Since I had tech issues with my JS9500 I got Costco's Samsung JS850D (which I believe is their store exclusive version of the 8500) to hold me over until new TVs come out.

Man, I really miss the FALD. This has some real crazy edge bleed, the blacks are kinda garbage, and it seems like it only has 2 zones that dim - the top half, and the bottom half.

It's crazy how much quality difference there is between the top of the line, and the mid tier sets.

 

[GHG]

I don't think the numbers are in yet, but they need plenty of work to be somewhat decent for gaming.

I keep reading this here and it's not true at all. I really don't understand why people seem to have created this scenario in their heads that this is the case. If you set the TV to game mode and the input to PC you will have no issues at all for gaming. In addition, input lag is not the only thing important when it comes to "what is a good gaming TV". Response time is also important.

Are the the new LG OLED TV's laggy too?

Do yourself a favour and look at this list:

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-usage/video-gaming/best?uxtv=265f

The OLEDs are 4th through to 8th on their best ranked gaming TV's for 2015. If you want an OLED and you can afford it get it.

If you are not fussed about 4K due to the lack of content at the moment and have the budget then seriously look into the 1080p OLED's.

Anyone have experience buying from shopsmarttvs.com? They have the LG 55EG9100 and the LG 55EC9300 on sale for $1425 and $1474 respectively.

Any reason I shouldn't pull the trigger on one of these sets? I'm not interested in 4k and for a 1080p set I'm not sure how I could do better. I'm not too worried about input lag since I'd only be using the set for casual gaming, but I may use the set as a PC monitor for a period of time -- has burn in been a problem? Also, is the ec9300 superior to the 9100 in some way? As this would be quite a large purchase for me, I'd be most grateful for any guidance.

The EC9300 is the refresh of the EC9100 so it's improved in a few minor areas but it's pretty much the same TV. Considering the small difference in price you nat as well get the newer version.

Burn in is not an issue as long as you are sensible with the TV during the break in period. I use mine as a PC monitor occasionally and have had nothing issues. There is a technology in these TV's now where they clean the pixels when you turn the TV off to standby and it's not being used. The biggest thing for the initial period is avoiding content with black bars. Adjust aspect ratios where you can but if not you should be fine as long as you aren't watching non-native content all day everyday. As for gaming, see above.

 

[Dewoh]

I keep reading this here and it's not true at all. I really don't understand why people seem to have created this scenario in their heads that this is the case. If you set the TV to game mode and the input to PC you will have no issues at all for gaming. In addition, input lag is not the only thing important when it comes to "what is a good gaming TV". Response time is also important.



Do yourself a favour and look at this list:

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-usage/video-gaming/best?uxtv=265f

The OLEDs are 4th through to 8th on their best ranked gaming TV's for 2015. If you want an OLED and you can afford it get it.

If you are not fussed about 4K due to the lack of content at the moment and have the budget then seriously look into the 1080p OLED's.

The 4K LGs, in game mode, have around 60 ms input lag. I had the EF9500 for about a month. Stunning picture, but the lag is very noticeable. It bugged me enough to send it back. I don't think 2015s OLEDs are gaming sets.

 

[Jigolo]

I keep reading this here and it's not true at all. I really don't understand why people seem to have created this scenario in their heads that this is the case. If you set the TV to game mode and the input to PC you will have no issues at all for gaming. In addition, input lag is not the only thing important when it comes to "what is a good gaming TV". Response time is also important.



Do yourself a favour and look at this list:

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-usage/video-gaming/best?uxtv=265f

The OLEDs are 4th through to 8th on their best ranked gaming TV's for 2015. If you want an OLED and you can afford it get it.

If you are not fussed about 4K due to the lack of content at the moment and have the budget then seriously look into the 1080p OLED's.

LG's OLEDs are almost perfect for gaming, so friken close. They are pretty much perfect on 2/3 categories: Motion Blur & Response Time but just stink it up in the input lag department. See that JU7500 there? if that was an OLED with 0.1 ms response time and no motion blur that thing would've been bought yesterday.

But even though that TV is one of the best we've seen, it's still a little over 1 frame of input lag. Companies should try to hit the magic 16.6 ms (1 frame) of input lag to become master of all trades (Vizio M is close with 18.5). Of course gaming specific monitors will have better input lag and refresh rates but when it comes to gaming most is done on a TV. The Dell OLED monitor just might be first the one with good input lag but that ain't a TV.

Just imagine that dream OLED TV:

For movies: UHD, DCI-P3, HDR, perfect blacks
For games: 16.6ms input lag, 0.1 response time, No motion blur
For general TV/sports: no motion blur, good uniformity

 

[GHG]

The 4K LGs, in game mode, have around 60 ms input lag. I had the EF9500 for about a month. Stunning picture, but the lag is very noticeable. It bugged me enough to send it back. I don't think 2015s OLEDs are gaming sets.

Did you also label the input as "PC" to ensure stuff like trumotion is turned off? The input lag on the 4K sets is around 50ms and 40ms for the 1080p models.

Like I said though, input lag is not the only important thing, so to say they are not TV's you can use for gaming is really reaching. There seems to be an obsession with input lag here for some reason. There are other factors to consider. If you have good input lag but a shit response time that is typical of many LCD sets then what's the point?

LG's OLEDs are almost perfect for gaming, so friken close. They are pretty much perfect on 2/3 categories: Motion Blur & Response Time but just stink it up in the input lag department. See that JU7500 there? if that was an OLED with 0.1 ms response time and no motion blur that thing would've been bought yesterday.

But even though that TV is one of the best we've seen, it's still a little over 1 frame of input lag. Companies should try to hit the magic 16.6 ms (1 frame) of input lag to become master of all trades (Vizio M is close with 18.5). Of course gaming specific monitors will have better input lag and refresh rates but when it comes to gaming most is done on a TV. The Dell OLED monitor just might be first the one with good input lag but that ain't a TV.

Just imagine that dream OLED TV:

For movies: UHD, DCI-P3, HDR, perfect blacks
For games: 16.6ms input lag, 0.1 response time, No motion blur
For general TV/sports: no motion blur, good uniformity

Yep. Once they get the response times down further then we won't even be needing to have this discussion at all. People will still moan about the price though

 

[Dewoh]

Did you also label the input as "PC" to ensure stuff like trumotion is turned off? The input lag on the 4K sets is around 50ms and 40ms for the 1080p models.

Like I said though, input lag is not the only important thing, so to say they are not TV's you can use for gaming is really reaching. There seems to be an obsession with input lag here for some reason. There are other factors to consider. If you have good input lag but a shit response time that is typical of many LCD sets then what's the point?



Yep. Once they get the response times down further then we won't even be needing to have this discussion at all. People will still moan about the price though

I did absolutely everything I could to get it down to acceptable levels. Had it for just under a month. It killed me to let it go, but I never felt in control of my actions. If you're not enjoying the experience because you're always fighting the controls, then it doesn't matter how good the image is.

I'm hoping that this year's OLEDs have low lag. It's the future.

 

[Buburibon]

I did absolutely everything I could to get it down to acceptable levels. Had it for just under a month. It killed me to let it go, but I never felt in control of my actions. If you're not enjoying the experience because you're always fighting the controls, then it doesn't matter how good the image is.

I'm hoping that this year's OLEDs have low lag. It's the future.

Input lag aside, they also need to improve motion handling/resolution quite a bit before I invest on an OLED for critical viewing/gaming. To be honest, I'm not sure how the 4K models fare at it, but the budget EC9300 I have in my bedroom has awful motion compared to the ZT60 plasma in my "family room," and my main x940c in my HT. Pure blacks are just about the only thing the EC9300 does well in my opinion, because it's not very good at shadow detail either next to the other two. Btw, how was the "screen-door effect" on the EF9500? I'm thinking the higher pixel density makes it a lot less distracting than on 1080p OLEDs.

 

[Tarin02543]

I have a question pertaining to the upcoming UHD Bluray players.

If I watch a 4k movie on a 4k player connected to a 1080p display, will I get the benefits of downsampling similar to how PC games are downsampled, resulting in a very high PQ?

What about the increased colour range ? Obviously HDR is for 4k tv sets only, so I know I don't have to expect that.

 

[SeanTSC]

Just imagine that dream OLED TV:

For movies: UHD, DCI-P3, HDR, perfect blacks
For games: 16.6ms input lag, 0.1 response time, No motion blur
For general TV/sports: no motion blur, good uniformity

How does OLED screen uniformity compare to Plasmas, btw? Is it possible to get "perfect" screen uniformity on one?

 

[Yaari]

Fair enough on the response time. I didn't know that was another factor.
We're at 50/53 with the OLED. If they can bring it down just a bit, I'd be all over it.

Sadly I'm not in a position to really experiment with TVs before I buy them so the numbers are all I have to go by, and the ocassional showroom visit, but I'm not really interested in having TVs around before I decide to keep them.

Hopefully we'll hear about the 2016 models this month, and their numbers.