Boombloxer
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I'm really just waiting for the Oppo.
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I'm really just waiting for the Oppo.
DOT DASH DOT
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It's a JS9000, I've had lots of light bleed/clouding issues since one of the updates, so I've spent almost 2 hours today massaging the screen as a last resort before I called Samsung, low and behold it is so much better, like it was before! God knows what happened.....
But the green is still there, trouble is with tinkering with 2pt white balance is there's an infinite amount of adjusting to be done without any professional gear.
I might have to strike it off as an anomaly, but if it happens in anything else of actual quality material, then I'll have to get Samsung involved.
I have the Samsung JS8500 and have been very pleased with it. For the price I got it, 2K on Black Friday, I think it's pretty hard to beat. 4K, 10 bit panel and HDR compatible.
Wibblewozzer
Member
Thanks. I'm heading down there to replace my dying mouse and will check it out in the store. I'm pretty sure that's the one I've looked at multiple times in passing but I'll take a longer look and might just end up picking it up.
It's $2,500 and I believe that's the price I've seen it at other times I've looked at it so I may delay getting this week since it should be at that price often enough? We'll see.
If you can go a few $100 more, the Sony X930C is down to $2,800 and definitely worth checking out.
DOT DASH DOT
Member
I nearly opted for that set, but the absolutely huge speakers and apparently terrible software put me off.
But it is supposed to be a technically great TV.
Wibblewozzer
Member
They didn't have this or the Samsung in stock at the location I went to. I'll keep me eye on both. I'd be more likely to go for the Sony if it dropped to $2,500 but I'll consider both options and may just order online within the next week.
osiris3355
Banned
The new sonys are dropping very soon too. HDR, much thinner at max width and don't have the stupid two remote setup. Google voice search is built into the primary remote instead of having to use a secondary remote.
These should also drive the pricing down on the 2015 models.
Wait what?? Terrible software? Android TV kicks the snot out if Tizen and pretty much all smart TVs. Btw speaker sizing was rectified on 2016 models.
DOT DASH DOT
Member
Yep, it had awful problems, buggy, hard locks, you name it. It's probably better now, but it wasn't 2-3 months ago when I was looking.
As a performer it's up there with the best of the 2015 models though, but guess it depends if you want to hang on for a month or so and see what the 2016 models are like, but pass up on the deal.
osiris3355
Banned
Yeah thats been cleared up. Sony was too lazy when bringing android over. Android TV has had some bugs in the os but nothing to that level. Sony seems to have their crap together now and are also dropping android 6 very soon on the 2015/2016 models.
BenQ RL2455HM would that be good with the ps4, I know its for console, but does ps4 fps games run better on 120hz monitor or 60hz is all ps4 can do?
Jigolo
Member
All consoles are 60hz max. That's the best monitor you can pick up for consoles. I'd recommend the 27" since this one is quite small
Jigolo
Member
Omg omg link?
Jigolo
Member
very cool
btw PSA to LG OLED Owners: Seems the automatic firmware update servers are busted. The TV tells people it's up to date but it may not be true.
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-ol...els-general/2260106-lg-65ef9500-firmware.html
Latest firmware here for the 65": http://www.lg.com/us/support-product/lg-65EF9500
JUDDER has been FIXED
rtings updated their review + that avs thread above
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/ef9500
The Lamonster
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Bornstellar
Member
Judder fixed for the 9300 as well?
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE be low.
Dr. Zoidberg
Member
Do you actually expect it to be low? I don't give it much chance. In fact I'll be very pleasantly surprised if it is.
DOT DASH DOT
Member
Indeed, LG are probably one of the worst TV manufacturers for input lag, they've never really given a toss about gamers.
Anyone able to grab the 9300 firmware update from that site?
Don't kill my dream, you dream killer!
Samurai G0SU
Member
Thoughts on this 4ktv?
Sony XBR55X810C
or XBR55X850C
Edit is there a thread about receivers too?
Sony XBR55X810C
or XBR55X850C
Edit is there a thread about receivers too?
I agree. I want that TV so badly. I don't even know what I'll do if the input lag hasn't improved. I've been delaying a purchase for months now.
Just bought a Sony KDL-48W705c and overall I'm very happy with it. Coming from a monitor,
I was very concerned about input-lag, but on the 705c it's not noticable in the slightest.
Do you guys have some recommendations for tweaking the settings?
I also seem to have two problems:
When I plug in my Chromecast (2015), I can't acces the TV's settings anymore. I can even unplug the Chromecast, open the settings and watch them close as soon as I plug it back in. Pretty frustrating when wanting to tweak the picture settings. Doesn't happen with other HDMI devices. Any ideas?
Also there seems to be some minor clouding on the left side, only really noticable when you look for it but unfortunately also in some darker/greyer scenes.
Is this still such a general issue with these kinds of screens (My last TV, which I exchanged 3 times to get a tolerable panel.
Don't want go through that ordeal again, but also can't unsee the clouding.
I'll try to upload a photo later when it's dark.
I was very concerned about input-lag, but on the 705c it's not noticable in the slightest.
Do you guys have some recommendations for tweaking the settings?
I also seem to have two problems:
When I plug in my Chromecast (2015), I can't acces the TV's settings anymore. I can even unplug the Chromecast, open the settings and watch them close as soon as I plug it back in. Pretty frustrating when wanting to tweak the picture settings. Doesn't happen with other HDMI devices. Any ideas?
Also there seems to be some minor clouding on the left side, only really noticable when you look for it but unfortunately also in some darker/greyer scenes.
Is this still such a general issue with these kinds of screens (My last TV, which I exchanged 3 times to get a tolerable panel.
Don't want go through that ordeal again, but also can't unsee the clouding.
I'll try to upload a photo later when it's dark.
GANGSTERKILLER
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Input lag test on the new G6 LG OLED will be done by no other than David Mackenzie. He's my favorite reviewer from my favorite TV review site. http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk No doubt he will try every option to get the lowest possible input lag.
If only LG can cut the lag into the 20ms range, but honestly? I don't think they can pull this off.
If only LG can cut the lag into the 20ms range, but honestly? I don't think they can pull this off.
DJ Lushious
Member
Awesome! Thanks for keeping us updated. After the LF OLED Super Bowl commercial, I am *so* ready for the G6!
Sony announced it with press photos at CES but was a no-show on the floor. I haven't seen a single write up about actually seeing one yet. The X940C was really good so I expect a tweaked version of that without the side speakers. It's not OLED but it will have some advantages over the LGs.
Jigolo
Member
No but 90% of TVs announced at CES have this and they'll be releasing relatively soon
Excellent, that's what I wanted to know. Are we looking at a fall/winter release or spring?
Jigolo
Member
March - July with most higher end ones coming in the Spring months
You're covered on all ends if those two features are your must haves.
Sony, Samsung, and LG all have those boxes checked
They're certainly important. Thanks for the info. I'll be holding off until those models are out.
DOT DASH DOT
Member
Huh? Plenty of people here own a TV with 4K 10bit and HDR.....including me..what am I missing?
Samurai G0SU
Member
so... is this one good?
XBR55X850C
or nah? haha
XBR55X850C
or nah? haha
Nothing. He's mistaken.
They don't meet the "Premium standards" per se, but that doesn't mean they're not HDR compatible, which they are.
Tatsumi Oga
Banned
Is that possible too? I never looked at that. Whenever my TV says there's an update I just install it right away. I'm kind of surprised that the Ec9300 is still damn sluggish, the menu that is. I've never seen a TV menu that sluggish.
BTW, nobody has any idea how to get rid of this?
http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=194493824
Dr. Zoidberg
Member
Looks like posterization. This occurs sometimes in digital media when the available colors are not sufficient to properly display (or encode) a gentle gradation of color. In the case of video, this is usually the result of heavy compression. In games, it is either a result of limitations of the hardware or the display.
In the case of your game, I would play around with the color space options on both the console and the TV's settings to make sure they match.
EDIT - Also, make sure your brightness and gamma settings (Both on the TV and using the in-game adjustments) are not too high as it will make this far more visible than it otherwise would be.
My TV was up to date so I didn't have to do this. Not sure about your other problem, post above should be helpful!
The only 2015 models that meet or come close the Ultra HD Premium standards are the Samsung JS9500 and the Sony X940C. The JS9500 was advertised by Samsung as supporting 1,000 nits but reviews have it as high as 920 nits with about 92% DCI. The Sony has been measured at 1,200 nits and about 94% DCI. Sony stated that the 2016 X9 models could pass certification but they decided to go with their own generic 4K HDR logo that can be applied to all of the 2016 models and most of the 2015s.
Tatsumi Oga
Banned
Thanks for the reply man.
Well the colour space on Xbox One is Standard and the black level on the TV is low, so that should be ok. Brightness is the default 50 and gamma used to be high, because i was told this was the correct gamma for the TV, but lately i've been liking the medium setting better for gamma. Sadly this didn't change anything though. I've already reset to the initial settings as well, tried out all picture modes, so very odd. It's crazy how visible it is, especially in GTA V.
DOT DASH DOT
Member
The trouble is, people are putting too much stock in this premium standards cert, take the js9000 it can 'only' do 600nits but on everything else it meets or surpasses the certification, and yeah these TV's can do 1000nits but to what cost? 600 is plenty enough to give you a real taste of what HDR can do, but also retain good black levels (with bias lighting) and you can see the brightness change easily compared to non HDR's blacks. So my point is whatever brightness you gain with the new TV's you'll lose in blacks thus contrast if you see what I mean. Most of these new LCD's are edge lit.
I agree with on the premium cert regarding edge-lits. A taste of HDR is probably all you will get with an edge-lit LCD. They can't do true local dimming like FALD models can so I'm a little suspect when when we hear announcements of edge-lit models that can hit 1,000 nits. OLEDs would be best since each pixel has its own light control followed by FALD LCDs with a decent zone count.
If I don't get an OLED, my only other option will probably be the 75" X940D. It's the only FALD model Sony is offering for 2016.
FrankNitty
Member
That's your grayscale
notice how in the various steps of gray you have various tint of color. it should be more smooth. If you have a correct grayscale it would be a more smooth transition. do you have a grayscale ramp you can look at that isn't in steps to see if it happens there also?
Tatsumi Oga
Banned
A grayscale ramp is what you have in these calibration tests? Xbox One has a tool for that where you can set the brightness, contrast etc...correctly. Is that what you're talking about?
Bornstellar
Member
Is it visible on another display? Take a screen shot and compare. It might be sourced in the game itself.
Tatsumi Oga
Banned
Hmmm well. I checked it out on my 22 inch HP PC monitor and i do see it there as well, but not nearly as bad. Now of course this being a 22 inch and the TV a 55 inch will make much easier to notice on the big one, but damn. The odd thing is, i did not notice it at all on my brother's Sony W829.
I've now tried changing brightness, gamma, color options like colour temperature and they don't really make much of a difference. I also notice this during anime, skin colour doesn't look all smooth, it has that weird effect too.