This problem confuses me, since I can't find anybody else who has experienced it. For me, the Xbox One's 360 backwards compatibility is completely useless because every game on it has very noticeable input lag. I've heard this sort of complaint about specific games like Gears 3, but every single game seems to have the same amount of lag, and I see nobody else making note of it. Does anybody else experience this, and is there a way to fix it? Or do we just wait for some kind of patch?
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Severe Input Lag for Xbox One Backwards Compatibility Games?
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jabberwocker
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Can't that be changed now in setting. Or is that just the elite controller?
JumPeRJumPzZ
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From my experience, the not so demanding titles dont have much or no input lag at all. Ive played Lego SW Complete saga and South Park and havent noticed input lag in this games.
But on the other hand, the Gears games have a variety of input lag. From high to low.
The leaked RDR had minimal input lag and played really well.
But yeah input lag is a big problem with BC.
But on the other hand, the Gears games have a variety of input lag. From high to low.
The leaked RDR had minimal input lag and played really well.
But yeah input lag is a big problem with BC.
The Albatross
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I've played Sonic, N+, and Shadow Complex. Shadow Complex was fine, Sonic 2 was about the same as 360 input lag which is the same as most classic games on new consoles (+ new TVs vs. CRT), and N+ seemed harder to me to nail some levels that I don't think I had trouble with originally.
I have no idea. I don't remember there being such big deadzones on X360, but maybe the OS compensated for it, and it can't do it now because it's only a limited version of the OS.
J_ToSaveTheDay
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I can't say for certain, it's been a while, but my Gears of War 3 BC copy feels like it runs and plays pretty bad (coming out of Gears of War UE). Which is a shame because that and RDR were my two most anticipated BC games, so here's to hoping some tech wizards at Microsoft can get RDR running at a good clip on Xbox One if it actually officially comes out.
I didn't bother with Halo Reach but I was looking forward to it being great too, sad to see the tech issues with that port over as well.
I didn't bother with Halo Reach but I was looking forward to it being great too, sad to see the tech issues with that port over as well.
GankzyMcfly
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My brother just played through stick of truth and my girlfriend just started, both playin the 360 version on xbox one with no complaints
MikeE21286
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Same
The Real Napsta
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I didn't detect any in Deus Ex Human Revolution. Plays great on Xbox One.
Based on Soul Calibur, Castle Crashers, Geometry Wars, Deus Ex, Doom II and uhh...I think that's most of what I've played, it really isn't something I've run into.
Not myself, but secondhand accounts from several people I know who got in on the early Red Dead Redemption BC, that had "zero" new input delay.
Not myself, but secondhand accounts from several people I know who got in on the early Red Dead Redemption BC, that had "zero" new input delay.
shortsFortallPeople
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Geometry wars is broken with the input lag. Any decent geowars player will tell you that you can feel it almost immediately. Too bad I can't seem to launch it now to check again though
I managed to finish super meat boy on the xb1 but it, too, felt just a bit off. The gears games don't feel quite right, either.
I moan about this all the time in the BC thread but no one cares to actually look into it like they do for other technical issues. Meh
ss_lemonade
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I didn't even know that the 360 had a deadzone issue. We have a couple of controllers with loose sticks and even the slightest nudge would get registered by the console
-hadouken
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Due to input lag, and atrocious performance (compared with the 360 originals) I'm not a big fan of the BC program. Instead of doing these games the justice they deserve, they've been released subpar. Feels very much like OGXB backwards compatibility on 360.
Sad, as MS now has less reason to release native remasters of great games like Halo Reach. Still, having the original Soul Calibur (runs well) is my one consolation.
Sad, as MS now has less reason to release native remasters of great games like Halo Reach. Still, having the original Soul Calibur (runs well) is my one consolation.
it totally feels like a "notch on the belt" thing instead of a thing they actually care about
-hadouken
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Laudable engineering work aside, it was always going to be a marketing exercise. Hopefully they bring the tech to Win 10 and we can finally retire our 360s from the living room.
Obviously some are not great but please don't make generalizations as a whole that the BC program has been a failure.
Do I wish Gears 3 and Reach ran better? Sure. But having the opportunity to finish DE:HR, Dark Souls, Alan Wake, etc. far outweight by desire to replay the former, personally
Wouldn't that only apply to the sticks, and not the buttons?
Now that you mention it, I only notice weirdness with the joystick in Dirt 3. Not the triggers or anything else.
-hadouken
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Fair point. Problem for me is that the games I personally want to play (Reach & Gears 3) are simply not in a state acceptable for release. Feels very much like the BC program on 360 - not something I valued in the longer term.
a Master Ninja
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I want someone like Digital Foundry to measure how much input lag is being created so we can sort out what's real and what's imagined.
All of my inputs are equally delayed in all games. It's like what happens when you don't have your TV in Game mode (even though I do).
MightyHedgehog
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Yep.
Yup. Need some real tests done.
7DollarHagane
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A lot of peoe aren't sensitive to it or play on laggy setups already. Xb360 backwards compatibility is a non-feature for me. It's a marketing bullet point, not a usable feature. Total waste of time.
I've deleted all the xb360 games to free up space. I use a kinivo hdmi switch to keep my ps3/360 connected.
I've deleted all the xb360 games to free up space. I use a kinivo hdmi switch to keep my ps3/360 connected.
As they actively keep testing/certifying/repackaging new games that they are adding. Okay.
Haven't noticed any really bad lag.
But I'm using an Elite XB1 with hybrid SSD, Elite controller, and have my 360 games installed on an external drive. And my TV's were researched for low lag and settings optimized for low lag.
So maybe hardware setup makes some difference?
Also, try resetting the XB1 and then playing a BC title.
But I'm using an Elite XB1 with hybrid SSD, Elite controller, and have my 360 games installed on an external drive. And my TV's were researched for low lag and settings optimized for low lag.
So maybe hardware setup makes some difference?
Also, try resetting the XB1 and then playing a BC title.
muzzymate
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Guess I'm glad I'm either immune to it, or I just don't notice input lag. Even in Geometry Wars, I don't feel it. Backwards compatibility has been like a dream to me.
All what we've got is a few quotes from Digital Foundry on the issue.
Gears 2
"That said, there are still situations in which performance falls below what is possible on Xbox 360 hardware leading to reduced frame-rates and slower input response."
Gears 3
"We've also heard rumblings of increased input latency but, in our experience, the difference was negligible"
Source: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-vs-xbox-one-backward-compatibility
All what we've got is a few quotes from Digital Foundry on the issue.
Gears 2
"That said, there are still situations in which performance falls below what is possible on Xbox 360 hardware leading to reduced frame-rates and slower input response."
Gears 3
"We've also heard rumblings of increased input latency but, in our experience, the difference was negligible"
Source: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-vs-xbox-one-backward-compatibility
Movalpolos
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I just stopped using it and hooked up my 360 again. It does some great games a disservice in the state they are on XB1.
RoslindaleOne
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I played a lot of BC Rare games and haven't notice anything. And a few other games as well.
EDIT: How could I forget. I played a lot of Alan Wake's American Nightmare the other day. Played great.
EDIT: How could I forget. I played a lot of Alan Wake's American Nightmare the other day. Played great.
Backfoggen
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When I played the Gears games I felt the same but RDR and Alan Wake both played very well. Zero issues with input lag. I think they improved the emulation a bunch.
SoulUnison
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That certainly doesn't disprove a possible "quantity over quality" approach. "Condescending dismissive 'Okay.'"
pawel86ck
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This is very important thread, because input lag issue in BC games are real problem. BC on xbox X is very interesting feature, but it's far from perfect. Graphics wise yes, graphics is better even without 4K high resolution patch thanks to forced anistropic filtering, but BC clearly altered my experience with the same games. Why? I CANT ENJOY THESE BC GAMES because I cant even aim NEARLY as fast and precise. I'm playing these games like a pro on xbox360, but on my xbox X like a noob. I can easily feel added input lag and different thumbsticks acceleration mess up my aiming even more (xbox one gamepad is different compared to xbox 360 gamepad).
That video with COD BO2 input lag test shows 2 frames of input lag in that particular game, and problems with controller is clearly pointed out (xbox one thumbsticks accelerates faster at certain point in non linear way). There are more videos like that (from different games), and if you will type "xbox BC gears of war input lag problems" into google seaarch you will see for yourself how many gamers complain about that input lag issue.
Some people suggest it's vsync to blame (2 frames delay), maybe that's the case, but because xbox O/X is also emulating these x360 games input lag is probably even higher
Here are 2 screenshots of 60fps gameplay that are 2 frames apart. The hammerburst reticle is at a significantly different position. Using the Longshot on someone to get a sweeping shot is very difficult if you expect your shot to be several feet off from where you wanted to shoot.
Because so many gamers besides me have noticed that input lag problem, so obviously the issue is real. Of course many people dont see any input lag problems, so they dont care. I'm sure, if someone is not experienced gamer, most likely he will not see any problems. But if someone like me spend a lot of time playing the games on real x360 hardware and WIRED xbox360 controller and 16 ms HDTV (I have even played this games on CRT tv with 0 input lag), you can tell when game has more input lag. I remember input lag in gears of war 4, most people wasnt aware of input lag problems in this game, but I could feel it right away. Only recently some people have tested input lag in gears of war 4 and I was right since the beginning.
https://gearsofwar.com/en-us/forums...gy/912a1c7c-877e-4013-857e-c36a23feffdc/posts
Gears of war 4 input lag is almost twice as high compared to even gears of war ultimate, and that's also 30 fps game.
It would be great if microsoft would first acknowledge this input lag issue, and then fix it. They market BC feature very strongly on xbox O/X, yet at current state I dont even want play x360 games one xbox X. That feature has big potential, but it has to be improved. It will be also very great if microsoft would allow to use wired xbox 360 gamepads on xbox one, because xbox one gamepad and even ELITE gamepad is not te same and thumbsticks doesnt work the same way.
That video with COD BO2 input lag test shows 2 frames of input lag in that particular game, and problems with controller is clearly pointed out (xbox one thumbsticks accelerates faster at certain point in non linear way). There are more videos like that (from different games), and if you will type "xbox BC gears of war input lag problems" into google seaarch you will see for yourself how many gamers complain about that input lag issue.
Some people suggest it's vsync to blame (2 frames delay), maybe that's the case, but because xbox O/X is also emulating these x360 games input lag is probably even higher
Here are 2 screenshots of 60fps gameplay that are 2 frames apart. The hammerburst reticle is at a significantly different position. Using the Longshot on someone to get a sweeping shot is very difficult if you expect your shot to be several feet off from where you wanted to shoot.
Because so many gamers besides me have noticed that input lag problem, so obviously the issue is real. Of course many people dont see any input lag problems, so they dont care. I'm sure, if someone is not experienced gamer, most likely he will not see any problems. But if someone like me spend a lot of time playing the games on real x360 hardware and WIRED xbox360 controller and 16 ms HDTV (I have even played this games on CRT tv with 0 input lag), you can tell when game has more input lag. I remember input lag in gears of war 4, most people wasnt aware of input lag problems in this game, but I could feel it right away. Only recently some people have tested input lag in gears of war 4 and I was right since the beginning.
https://gearsofwar.com/en-us/forums...gy/912a1c7c-877e-4013-857e-c36a23feffdc/posts
Gears of war 4 input lag is almost twice as high compared to even gears of war ultimate, and that's also 30 fps game.
It would be great if microsoft would first acknowledge this input lag issue, and then fix it. They market BC feature very strongly on xbox O/X, yet at current state I dont even want play x360 games one xbox X. That feature has big potential, but it has to be improved. It will be also very great if microsoft would allow to use wired xbox 360 gamepads on xbox one, because xbox one gamepad and even ELITE gamepad is not te same and thumbsticks doesnt work the same way.
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pawel86ck
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I can no longer edit my previous post, so I'm forced to post another.
Below 4 months old reddit topic on the same issue. Some interesting quotes from that topic
I'm talking about my negative BC experience for one single reason, I CARE ABOUT MY OWN XBOX CONSOLE AND HOPE MICROSOFT WILL FIX BC PROBLEMS BECAUSE I WOULD LOVE TO PLAY BC GAMES ON MY XBOX X WITHOUT ISSUES. My xbox360 will not last forever after all.
Below 4 months old reddit topic on the same issue. Some interesting quotes from that topic
After playing gears of war 3 for myself just yesterday, I absolutely agree with that guy, input lag issue is still there.
What's interesting, that guy plays on gaming monitor, and the thing is, if you have good point of reference (monitor with minimal input lag) it's much easier to notice input lag problems in games. Maybe that's why I'm so sensitive to this input lag issue. I game on very fast monitor and tv myself, when most people probably play with 40-60 ms added input lag on their HDTV, so they cant feel how each game should play without added input lag anyway.
I have never played that BC game on my xbox X, but I belive that guy
I really like what that guy wrote. When you really good at playing your favorite games, then it's very easy to tell the difference. I can very easily aim at moving targets (even at long range) on xbox 360, but not on xbox X. My game experience is clearly altered, and I supposed to play the same game.
I'm talking about my negative BC experience for one single reason, I CARE ABOUT MY OWN XBOX CONSOLE AND HOPE MICROSOFT WILL FIX BC PROBLEMS BECAUSE I WOULD LOVE TO PLAY BC GAMES ON MY XBOX X WITHOUT ISSUES. My xbox360 will not last forever after all.
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VectorVictor
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I can second this emotion.
Also, played through/beat South Park, RDR, Street Fighter IV and all three Gears games (I'm mind-bleaching Judgement away), and I had zero issues. And both SF IV and South Park have a *lot* of timing moves that lag would kill, and I had zero issues with it.
Sorry, I'm not seeing it at all.
kingwingin
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sometimes i feel an input lag and sometimes i dont. I noticed it really bad when BC first came out.
Wish digital foundry would do a more scientific test then those people who record thenselves flicking a thumbstick around.
Wish digital foundry would do a more scientific test then those people who record thenselves flicking a thumbstick around.
Sosokrates
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All BC games I have tried have performed better on X1
Iced Arcade
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Same