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UHD, 4k Blu ray's, and 4k Blu Ray players. Help teach me.

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Liquidsnake

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Do you guys have a strategy when it comes to 4k Blu rays,TV, and players?

I was a first day adopter of Blu Ray, and I got burned price wise.

It would pain me to get rid of my 300 movies and start all over.

How are you guys going to deal with UHD etc......

Can you guys help me understand, as well as tell me your strategy? Is this going to be super niche or will it take the place of 1080p across the board?
 
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Tagg9

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I'm personally waiting a year for UHD player and disc prices to plummet. It's way too expensive right now to justify upgrading my existing Blu-rays (not to mention hardly any movies have been released at the moment).
 
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demosthenes

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Why do you have to start over? There might not even be good transfers of blu rays you own to UHD. If you NEED to re buy only what you really love and will watch a lot. That's what I did for DVD -> Blu. That's what I'll do for Blu -> UHD.
 
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TAJ

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
I'm only going to consider buying movies on this format that are either from full 4K sources or were graded in HDR from the start. So basically not very many.
Native 3D movies are out of consideration entirely.
 
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Hjod

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I'll wait, I bought a new TV(not 4K) just last year, and the price for movies is too steep.

And I don't think most movies are filmed/rendered in 4K, the CGI and so on. That's what I've read at least, I'm not gonna say that's the truth, just something I've heard.
 
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Lilalaunebaer

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You don´t have to get rid of you blu-rays. 4k players play regular blu-rays just fine and upscale.

Obviously the longer you wait, the cheaper the equipment and discs will get.

4k will replace 1080p completely with time, especially once you can´t buy 1080p screens anymore. Can´t buy SD tvs now can you? I sure haven´t seen any.

It will probably be a smaller market that the regular blu-rays, but i expect every movie to come out on 4k too, for as long as physical is still around. Which will be a long time. You can still buy fucking music CDs, even though it´s "all digital" now.

I´ll probably upgrade end of 2016 or beginning 2017. Depending on the prices.
 
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Liquidsnake

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Edit: I just saw the post above. The little kiosk at best buy got my juices flowing, but I want to maintain reason and do the smart thing this time around. I don't want to plop down thousands of dollars now.

Do these 4k players play 1080p Blu Ray movies?
 
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TAJ

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Lilalaunebaer said:
4k will replace 1080p completely with time, especially once you can´t buy 1080p screens anymore. Can´t buy SD tvs now can you? I sure haven´t seen any.
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DVD is still selling better than Blu-ray, somehow.
 
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AnotherDayAnotherDollar

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I'm skipping 4K and going straight to 8K. I'm being serious, 8K is probably what? 5-7 years away? Until then, I'm good with my 2006 1080P TV.

TAJ said:
DVD is still selling better than Blu-ray, somehow.
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Only for certain movies, I think.

Liquidsnake said:
Edit: I just saw the post above. The little kiosk at best buy got my juices flowing, but I want to maintain reason and do the smart thing this time around. I don't want to plop down thousands of dollars now.

Do these 4k players play 1080p Blu Ray movies?
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I would be surprised if they don't.
 
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TAJ

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
BHK3 said:
Is that not inflated because they come bundled with all blu ray movies? Kinda how some games get inflated sales because they come bundled with a console?
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Blu-ray/DVD combos are counted as Blu-ray sales.
 
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Yaari

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I was there on day 1 for Blu-ray and it cost me a ridiculous amount of money. So yeah, not going to do that again.
 
Badlucktroll

Badlucktroll

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The samsung UHD Player is 399... The cases look like this. They are black
m-hancock4k.jpg


This is the Samsung Player
samsung_ubd_k8500_smart_blu_ray_player_1211810.jpg


First UHD player to market. Does anyone know if others are coming?
 
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TAJ

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Nerdkiller said:
Might not for an age yet. Afterall, even a niche format like Laserdisc lasted until the next generation home video media was introduced.
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And its niche status made it more expensive, not less.
 
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AnotherDayAnotherDollar

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Cow Mengde said:
Waiting for the format to die, then pick it up at bargain bin prices. This thing is going to flop harder than Blu-Ray.
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I only care about having 4K (or better yet 8K or higher) content. Streaming or digital or whatever is fine. I would still like to buy my favorite movies on a physical format, especially since you can get a digital copy with a blu ray purchase nowadays.
 
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Kevin

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Deadpool, The Martian and Ghostbusters 1 & 2 is all that I like from the current list. The others I wouldn't pay much for. I'll wait. Any word on if they are releasing a 4K PC Blu-Ray player?
 
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Bowler

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I hate the salt in these threads with people saying/hoping the format dies...

4k streaming (prime/netflix) unless it's a full download via the fmpx10 is barely at regular bluray levels. These uhd players and movies are fucking glorious provided you have the panel to show its data.

Most don't have bandwidth to produce the amount of data needed at the speed to produce a good 4k stream, and that's also not taking into account data caps....
 
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ascii42

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demosthenes said:
Why do you have to start over? There might not even be good transfers of blu rays you own to UHD. If you NEED to re buy only what you really love and will watch a lot. That's what I did for DVD -> Blu. That's what I'll do for Blu -> UHD.
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Right yeah. The Blu-Ray version is probably the best that'll be available for a lot of films.
 
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wachie

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4K's adoption curve will probably be longer than the SD to HD.

It's also a reason why smirk when people splurge on 4K sets when there is so little content for it right now. A lot of the standards/specs and branding isnt even final so unless you are willing to upgrade your 4K set twice, hold off for now.
 
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Bowler said:
I hate the salt in these threads with people saying/hoping the format dies...

4k streaming (prime/netflix) unless it's a full download via the fmpx10 is barely at regular bluray levels. These uhd players and movies are fucking glorious provided you have the panel to show its data.

Most don't have bandwidth to produce the amount of data needed at the speed to produce a good 4k stream, and that's also not taking into account data caps....
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Lol for real

I got my 4K player set up on my OLED and its glorious.
 
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Colonel Nasty

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I saw the Martian at Best Buy and it looked glorious. The sharpness felt almost 3d like.

I still buy occasional movies on Blu Ray and I'll just grab the 4k version instead on new releases. Then pick up a player when they're cheaper.
 
Jzero

Jzero

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Bluray already looks superb, you don't need to replace your whole library you weirdo. Just buy future releases in 4K
 
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Unknown Soldier

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4K Blu-ray has soft-launched I guess? Only Samsung are selling their player at the moment. I'm not sure what everyone else is waiting for.

Too many movies were made with CG in and finished in 2K. You have to be careful when buying 4K Blu-rays that you're not getting an upscaled 2K master. In general, a few Sony Pictures releases are really made in 4K. Some others from other studios are too.

Star Wars: The Force Awakens WAS NOT made in 4K!
 
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Bobby Roberts

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My strategy is to see how the transfers look, and then wait to see if/when the 4k projectors come down in price, and upgrade to one of those.

If the added dyamic range/color fidelity is very noticeable. As I'm pretty sure most of the actual filmic content is going to be, for quite a large number of titles people will want to buy, 2k upscales.

So basically, I'm not expecting to have to seriously fuck with any of this for another 5-7 years.
 
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TAJ

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Bobby Roberts said:
My strategy is to see how the transfers look, and then wait to see if/when the 4k projectors come down in price, and upgrade to one of those.

If the added dyamic range/color fidelity is very noticeable. As I'm pretty sure most of the actual filmic content is going to be, for quite a large number of titles people will want to buy, 2k upscales.

So basically, I'm not expecting to have to seriously fuck with any of this for another 5-7 years.
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Entry-level 4K projectors will be really cheap soon.
There's a new DLP chip that does 4K with the same die size as the current budget 1080p chips. It supposedly compares shockingly well with Sony's 4K projectors. They also have a new chip for the five-figure market.
 
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Wag

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Lilalaunebaer said:
4k will replace 1080p completely with time, especially once you can´t buy 1080p screens anymore. Can´t buy SD tvs now can you? I sure haven´t seen any.
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I know what you're getting at but that's not a good comparison. The reason you can't buy SD TV's anymore is because all broadcasts are digital now. There will be no 4k OTA broadcasts (at least for the foreseeable future). So 4k streaming/4k Blu-Ray (and 4k cable TV) is going to have to drive that market entirely.
 
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Madness

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Wag said:
I know what you're getting at but that's not a good comparison. The reason you can't buy SD TV's anymore is because all broadcasts are digital now. There will be no 4k OTA broadcasts (at least for the foreseeable future). So 4k streaming/4k Blu-Ray (and 4k cable TV) is going to have to drive that market entirely.
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The Toronto Raptors did the first ever NA broadcast of 4K a few weeks ago. The UHD alliance is the first time that television manufacturers, satellite and cable providers and digital service providers like Amazon and others are working together to promote a standard.

4K is coming fast and coming heavy. You'll probably see 4K before you'll see 1080p provided by content providers.

But as for OP. I have several hundred blurays. They'll play upscaled and will look better than upscale dvd will look. But it wouldn't be wise to invest in 4K UHD blurays until we see they are actually doing new masters and whatnot. Remember how shitty the first year of blurays were.
 
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Bobby Roberts

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TAJ said:
Entry-level 4K projectors will be really cheap soon.
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Projectors tend to get real cheap real fast after they break whatever technological ceiling they face.

Entry-level 1080p 3D projectors with contrast ratios north of 10k to 1 can be gotten for like, 600. That's NUTS. I remember when an 800x600 projector with a 2x color wheel and 2k to 1 contrast at best was something like 1300 if you lucked out on a holiday sale.

Honestly, if you watch less than 2 or 3 hours of TV a day, you should be considering a projector, period. it'll probably last just as long (if not longer) than any LCD you're looking at, but like, yunno, 100-150" visible area.

But I'm still figuring I'm about 5-7 years out before I really have to worry about making the leap, even knowing that the projector prices will probably be somewhere around 1300-1600 on sale for a decent 4k model in about 2-3. And I'm probably being conservative about it, too.

Madness said:
But it wouldn't be wise to invest in 4K UHD blurays until we see they are actually doing new masters and whatnot. Remember how shitty the first year of blurays were.
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I'm absolutely expecting the first few years of 4K blu-ray are going to be upscaled 2k masters. For a lot of SFX-heavy modern movies, that's all they'll ever be.
 
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Wag

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Madness said:
The Toronto Raptors did the first ever NA broadcast of 4K a few weeks ago.
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That's one. 😄

When 4k OTA broadcasts are the norm you can get back to me (that's not going to be for a long time).

In the meantime I'll just use my 4k TV as my PC display and hope that 4k Blu-Ray catches on...
 
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matrix-cat

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I'm planning to get a 4K monitor at some point, but I don't really see myself upgrading my Plasma TV until I absolutely have to. I think I'd struggle to see a huge difference between 1080p and 4K on a 50" screen that I sit 9-10 feet away from, and I'm not really interested in a bigger screen or sitting any closer.

So with no plans to get a 4K TV, I'm not really worried about buying a new player or replacing my collection. I'll play the waiting game; it'll be fine. Hell, I'm still waiting for a lot of my favourite movies to get proper 2K Blu Ray masters. The Star Wars theatrical cuts and most of my beloved Hong Kong action movies are still in VHS/DVD land :p
 
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neoism

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Liquidsnake said:
Do you guys have a strategy when it comes to 4k Blu rays,TV, and players?

I was a first day adopter of Blu Ray, and I got burned price wise.

It would pain me to get rid of my 300 movies and start all over.

How are you guys going to deal with UHD etc......

Can you guys help me understand, as well as tell me your strategy? Is this going to be super niche or will it take the place of 1080p across the board?
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i wouldnt.. im sure 4k looks insane.. but a really good transfer 1080p bulray is good enough for me and its just silly to me to start over and just get the "new thang" i even quit buying bluray's... even for a movies i looove i'll watch it only 2 or 3 times.. after that having the choice to rewatch it anytime doesn't really appeal to me anymore, i'd much rather watch something I've never seen before. i see 4k totally a niche... its not like jumping to bluray from dvd... even though the res is much better most ppl will not care... unless your a consumerist and have money to waste, i mean spend...
 
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Jotamide

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I'll jump in with 4k once Criterion, Disney, GKids, and Discotek start putting out UHDs.
 
Hazelhurst

Hazelhurst

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I really wish they would've just marketed it as 4k Blu-ray, instead of UltraHD. 4k just sounds cooler imo.

I'll be getting a player after I get a 70" - 80" 4k OLED.
 
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lord pie

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One thing to be aware of, *very* few TVs sold today support 4k/60 with 4:4:4 (no chroma subsampling). HDR is even less common.

Everyone is used to 4:2:0 but proper 4:4:4 is actually quite a noticeable improvement with a good source, and I'm glad it seems to be the standard for UHD bluray.

(4:2:0 means that hue/saturation image data is half resolution vertically and horizontally - with luminance data being full res - 1/4th the resolution is a pretty big loss, even if our vision is more sensitive to luminance)

So I'd wait for 4:4:4 and HDR support to get to a more reasonable price range.


I already have a 4k TV but only because it's a freaking awesome TV (1st gen Sony), I expect in a year or so I'll look at upgrading (bigger? :) and build a proper audio setup to go with it - my Sony has *amazing* audio for a TV but obviously wouldn't match a proper 7.1 setup :)
 
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Unknown Soldier

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lord pie said:
One thing to be aware of, *very* few TVs sold today support 4k/60 with 4:4:4 (no chroma subsampling). HDR is even less common.

Everyone is used to 4:2:0 but proper 4:4:4 is actually quite a noticeable improvement with a good source, and I'm glad it seems to be the standard for UHD bluray.

(4:2:0 means that hue/saturation image data is half resolution vertically and horizontally - with luminance data being full res - 1/4th the resolution is a pretty big loss, even if our vision is more sensitive to luminance)

So I'd wait for 4:4:4 and HDR support to get to a more reasonable price range.


I already have a 4k TV but only because it's a freaking awesome TV (1st gen Sony), I expect in a year or so I'll look at upgrading (bigger? :) and build a proper audio setup to go with it - my Sony has *amazing* audio for a TV but obviously wouldn't match a proper 7.1 setup :)
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Movies are not 60hz. They are 24hz, except the horrible Hobbit trilogy which were available ih 48hz HFR. No TV supports 48hz period and there seems to be little interest in adding 48hz to any putative future HDMI standard.

UHD Blu-ray still using 4:2:0 chroma subsampling for video content.

You only need 4K/60 and 4:4:4 chroma if you're using your TV for editing Excel spreadsheets. Even PC gaming works just fine with 4K/60 and 4:2:0 chroma, that's how I game with my PC on my Sony 65X900A. The lower chroma resolution is quite meaningless at the pixel density afforded by 4K, even at the relatively close distance I sit from my TV.
 
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Sanke__

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4K UHD blu Ray will most definitely take the place of 1080p blu Ray
There is basically no purpose to blu Ray once 4K blu Ray is released as it will no longer be the high quality standard and streaming is basically destroying anything else (aside from DVD for people without bandwidth for streaming but 1080p bluray definitely won't take the place of DVD)

I'm diving in day one

I can live with buying an overpriced $400 player and $30 for the discs is fine with me for launch

I'm just gonna buy new movies in UHD and some of my favorite movies/ movies with great 4K transfer/ low prices

Already stopped buying blu Rays and only gonna buy new movies in UHD

(Wtf assholes not releasing spectre in UHD)

UHD should replace blu Ray and will be a niche high quality product co existing with streaming

Biggest movie I'm slightly concerned about getting a UHD release is hateful eight

Stuff like revenant and deadpool is already confirmed for UHD

I know that the launch line up is pretty weak for most people but I'm relatively happy since chappie and kingsman are two of my favorite movies from the last few years

Also I already have a solid 2015 4K tv but will upgrade to a bigger better one in like a year
(Can't wait to have the one I have now in the bedroom with 4K Netflix)

ScepticMatt said:
I'd say keep your Blu rays, and buy new 4k blurays that are mastered and rendered in 4k HDR.

http://realorfake4k.com/
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Just started drooling when I saw chappie listed as real 4K
I'm so fucking excited
 
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