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Would you spend $300-plus to have a 14-inch TV professionally calibrated?

Shawn

Banned
Ask yourself this, if you spent over 300 bucks to calibrate a 14 inch TV would you be willing to go and admit that too all your friends and family? And what do you think their reactions would be?
You have no idea how obsessed I am about picture quality. It really is an obsession, maybe even closer to a sickness. :)
 

Ponn

Banned
Wario64 said:
they would probably re-calibrate the tv just to fuck with him

I would too if I knew him

Shawn said:
You have no idea how obsessed I am about picture quality. It really is an obsession, maybe even closer to a sickness. :)

So basically you wouldn't care what they think? Well that is an unhealthy obsession then and you should probably get some help. On the plus side at least you are taking the cheap way out by buying 14 inch screens and not HQ plasma screens.
 

DarienA

The black man everyone at Activision can agree on
Shawn said:
You have no idea how obsessed I am about picture quality. It really is an obsession, maybe even closer to a sickness. :)

Not obsessed enough to buy a larger TV sooner apparently. ;)
 

EyezLow

Banned
You have no idea how obsessed I am about picture quality. It really is an obsession, maybe even closer to a sickness.

Well then... Good luck with the HDTV thing.

You're going to need it.
 

Shawn

Banned
Not obsessed enough to buy a larger TV soon enough apparently. ;)
That's something I'm not going to rush into. Believe me, I'm going to take my time, research, and REALLY do my homework before I buy my next TV.

It IS tempting to buy one right now, but I'm better off waiting until around the time I buy my next console.
 

tedtropy

$50/hour, but no kissing on the lips and colors must be pre-separated
Shawn said:
You have no idea how obsessed I am about picture quality. It really is an obsession, maybe even closer to a sickness. :)

Owning a 14" SD set, can you really call yourself obsessed with image quality?
 

Shawn

Banned
Owning a 14" SD set, can you really call yourself obsessed with image quality?
You'd be surprised at how good it looks. It looks really, REALLY good. In fact, the picture quality of DVDs look MUCH better on my 14-inch (component) than on my friend's new HD 51-inch Toshiba (component).
 

Suikoguy

I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
How close were you sitting to the 51 Toshiba?
 
Shawn said:
You'd be surprised at how good it looks. It looks really, REALLY good. In fact, the picture quality of DVDs look MUCH better on my 14-inch (component) than on my friend's new HD 51-inch Toshiba (component).


I want to beat you to death with your tv.
 

EyezLow

Banned
Shawn said:
You'd be surprised at how good it looks. It looks really, REALLY good. In fact, the picture quality of DVDs look MUCH better on my 14-inch (component) than on my friend's new HD 51-inch Toshiba (component).

Naturally... That's because the pixels are squished together.
 

sammy

Member
I wouldn't get so anal --- it's basically impossible to callibrate a television to a happy medium for games..... movies yea, but games are just now establishing their standards --- they're all gonna look different.
 

Sanjuro

Member
Kabuki Waq said:
I want to beat you to death with your tv.
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tedtropy

$50/hour, but no kissing on the lips and colors must be pre-separated
Shawn said:
You'd be surprised at how good it looks. It looks really, REALLY good. In fact, the picture quality of DVDs look MUCH better on my 14-inch (component) than on my friend's new HD 51-inch Toshiba (component).

That's only because all the detail of the picture is being squashed into a measly 14". If you're content with that size TV, that's cool, it's just that the rest of us prefer not to game on a postage stamp. :D I'd rather play something on your buddy's 51" Toshiba than such a tiny screen any day. In fact...is your 'buddy' a girl and is she hot...ah hell, is she a girl?
 

Ceb

Member
I'm gonna take this opportunity and ask if anyone here has got any experience with the Sony KLV-32M1. Looking into getting a cheaper model for gaming + movies mainly, not HDTV broadcasts. Can it display a 720p signal properly, ie no stupid upsampling or anything like that?
 

EyezLow

Banned
Ceb said:
I'm gonna take this opportunity and ask if anyone here has got any experience with the Sony KLV-32M1. Looking into getting a cheaper model for gaming + movies mainly, not HDTV broadcasts. Can it display a 720p signal properly, ie no stupid upsampling or anything like that?


You're fine. LCDs handle 720p natively. It's the CRTs that don't. It is an LCD though, so they have other inherent issues that you may or may not notice.
 

Flo_Evans

Member
AtomicShroom said:
Pop quiz for you guys: Why is it that manufacturers build such high-quality TVs, yet don't calibrate them properly? I mean... TVs should come out the door already calibrated... it shouldn't be something that the user has to do.

well for tube TVs at least your latitude and the direction the TV is facing can affect the geometry greatly. Over at AVSforums some guy was saying all sony WEGA tube TVs are calibrated in san deigo facing west to have proper geometry. As for color they are usually jacked up to look best on the show floor (usually much brighter than your living room).
 

Ceb

Member
EyezLow said:
You're fine. LCDs handle 720p natively. It's the CRTs that don't. It is an LCD though, so they have other inherent issues that you may or may not notice.

Yeah, black levels, huh? I'm not that crazy about the LCD "look" either, but it sure as hell beats my old CRT. Thanks for the help. :)
 

Flo_Evans

Member
Ceb said:
I'm gonna take this opportunity and ask if anyone here has got any experience with the Sony KLV-32M1. Looking into getting a cheaper model for gaming + movies mainly, not HDTV broadcasts. Can it display a 720p signal properly, ie no stupid upsampling or anything like that?

Do not get this TV. It is actually 768px high (due to PC resolution standards) and either had a black border, or scaled the image slightly. Newer models are actually 720px. Make sure and check the native res of an LCD before you buy. (unless of course you are going to hook it to your PC, where 768 is prefered)
 

Shawn

Banned
If you're so obsessed with image quality, why are you still on such a tiny TV?
Since when does having a "tiny" TV have anything to do with poor picture quality? My PlayStation 2 is connected to it through component, I adjusted it as best I could through video test patterns, and the resulting image (movies and games) is really, really good.
 

tedtropy

$50/hour, but no kissing on the lips and colors must be pre-separated
Shawn said:
Since when does having a "tiny" TV have anything to do with poor picture quality? My PlayStation 2 is connected to it through component, I adjusted it as best I could through video test patterns, and the resulting image (movies and games) is really, really good.

Good 'n interlaced.
 

Flo_Evans

Member
for all you guys know its a 14" $10,000 professional video monitor... geez give the guy a break ;P

And no, you should just wait till you get your new TV and have that calibrated.
 

tedtropy

$50/hour, but no kissing on the lips and colors must be pre-separated
Flo_Evans said:
for all you guys know its a 14" $10,000 professional video monitor... geez give the guy a break ;P

And no, you should just wait till you get your new TV and have that calibrated.

Did you just plain not even bother to read the first post? I realize there was a hint of sarcasm to your post, but this thing is just your basic small econo-set in every sense of the word.

I've had my 14-inch flat screen Toshiba since late 2001. I paid $250 for it new. It now retails for $140 (newer model).
 

Slurpy

*drowns in jizz*
Shawn said:
Let me start off by saying that I am completely obsessed with image quality.

I've had my 14-inch flat screen Toshiba since late 2001. I paid $250 for it new. It now retails for $140 (newer model).

I use it only for my PS2 through component.

I've used the Avia disc to spend countless hours adjusting it so that it would look as perfect as possible. But it's not perfect -- and I want it PERFECT! :)

I know of a guy who would calibrate my TV -- he is considered to be the best video calibrationist in the country -- but it would cost me over $300.

I'm definitely getting an HDTV later next year, when PS3 comes out, and I no longer will be using the TV I'm currently using.

What do you guys think?

Do it. It seems the calibration guy deserves the money much more than you do, since you're even considering this ridiculous notion. He'd have better uses for it for sure. So go ahead.

Sorry for the bluntness, but its a fucking 14' 5 year old TV. How calibrated can it get?? You can buy 3 of those fucking TVs for that much.
 
haha, I could just imagine a calibration guy coming over, seeing the 14 inch tv and laughing his ass off and thinking " what a moron" the entire time.
 

tedtropy

$50/hour, but no kissing on the lips and colors must be pre-separated
DarkAngelYuna said:
haha, I could just imagine a calibration guy coming over, seeing the 14 inch tv and laughing his ass off and thinking " what a moron" the entire time.

One day, when I'm a rich, rich man, I'm going to call in a calibrator and when he asks "where's the TV?", proceed to hand him a Radio Shack handheld 2" TV and say "get crackin' ". :lol
 

Flo_Evans

Member
tedtropy said:
Did you just plain not even bother to read the first post? I realize there was a hint of sarcasm to your post, but this thing is just your basic small econo-set in every sense of the word.

yes I read it, it was a make beleive scenario to point out that small != crap. So he likes to play his PS2 in his pillow fort on his 14" TV and wants the best picture possible. Who cares? yeah its dumb to pay $300 to calibrate a $250 TV, but if thats what he really likes to play one then why not make the most out of it?

:lol
 

tedtropy

$50/hour, but no kissing on the lips and colors must be pre-separated
Dice said:
Hey guys, should I hire a NASCAR team to tune up my Civic? :)

No, but you should put the biggest, crappiest-looking wing you can find on it. And neons. Lots and lots of neons. Also you should advertise the fact that you have 'DOHC Power!11' and of course be sure to slap on your 'Team Wal-Mart Audio' bumper sticker.
 

Nerevar

they call me "Man Gravy".
AtomicShroom said:
Pop quiz for you guys: Why is it that manufacturers build such high-quality TVs, yet don't calibrate them properly? I mean... TVs should come out the door already calibrated... it shouldn't be something that the user has to do.

That's not really true. "Calibrated" just means that it perfectly adheres to the NTSC (or whatever) standard, giving you the "truest" picture (i.e. closest to what the director wants you to see). Oftentimes perfectly calibrated TVs look "dull" or "lifeless" compared to TVs set to full color saturation and brightness (aka "torch mode"). TV manufacturers and retailers realized that TVs set to full brightness actually sell better than perfectly calibrated ones when people are comparing the two side by side in a store. Thus, the fault is really with consumers, not with the manufacturers.
 

tedtropy

$50/hour, but no kissing on the lips and colors must be pre-separated
Flo_Evans said:
yes I read it, it was a make beleive scenario to point out that small != crap. So he likes to play his PS2 in his pillow fort on his 14" TV and wants the best picture possible. Who cares? yeah its dumb to pay $300 to calibrate a $250 TV, but if thats what he really likes to play one then why not make the most out of it?

:lol

The man with the pillow fort wants for nothing.
 
Shawn said:
Since when does having a "tiny" TV have anything to do with poor picture quality? My PlayStation 2 is connected to it through component, I adjusted it as best I could through video test patterns, and the resulting image (movies and games) is really, really good.
If your tiny set looks "really really good" then why waste money to calibrate it further? The truth is that due to the size of the screen, any "professional" calibration will yield minimal results due to the overall screen limitations. I think you are being obsessive about something that isn't worth it on such a tiny screen. I say save your money and upgrade to a decent sized TV and then feel free to have that professionally calibrated.

BTW, to the person that asked why TVs don't come calibrated. It's because the manufacturer has no clue what room size, viewing distance/angle, or what kind of lighting situation to calibrate to. All of these factors pay a significant roll in proper TV calibration. Truth is the vast majority has no idea where to even place their TV in order to mimimalize glare from lighting, windows, and whatnot. I find it quite painful to watch TV at other people's houses. When people come over to my house they always compliment how awesome the picture quality is on my set which is mainly due to where it's at in the room and that I calibrated it accordingly :D
 
If you care about image quality, you wouldn't have bought a 14" TV in the first place. The damn thing can't even resolve the full resolution of the PS2 for cryin' out loud....
 

jenov4

Member
You know you're going to do it, so why bother asking?

I personally wouldn't bother spending more than double what the monitor's worth to calibrate it.
 

Stinkles

Clothed, sober, cooperative
Shawn said:
You'd be surprised at how good it looks. It looks really, REALLY good. In fact, the picture quality of DVDs look MUCH better on my 14-inch (component) than on my friend's new HD 51-inch Toshiba (component).


No it doesn't. What has happened is that you have become a videophile-pseud.

If you were an audiophile you would claim putting a glass of water near the center of the room improved bass response.

What you need to do is get over yourself. Get an HDTV.
 

koam

Member
Shawn said:
Since when does having a "tiny" TV have anything to do with poor picture quality? My PlayStation 2 is connected to it through component, I adjusted it as best I could through video test patterns, and the resulting image (movies and games) is really, really good.

Nothing to do with quality. I just meant that a bigger image is much more immersive than a tiny one. My laptop's screen isn't even that small. Maybe it's just me but i'd rather have a huge TV with good quality instead of a tiny one with excellent quality. More bang for your buck and more immersive.
 
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