opticalmace
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Seems pretty fair.
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HTC Vive international prices leaked (899 / £689)
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How many people justify gaming PCs over consoles when the price is so much higher? Lots.
Valve isn't focused on much other than making sure they can prevent an outcome where Steam has no relevance or draw in VR, so they can keep going as a business since they see VR as a big part of the future for gaming among other things. The point of SteamVR is multiple vendors for hardware, and all SteamVR / OpenVR devices get access to the software side of what they are doing like chaperone and camera features, while hardware like Lighthouse is freely licensable to anyone, in order to ease it's adoption of lighthouse tracking in other products and increase it's usefulness.
The idea that Valve are preparing for a "loss on the hardware front" skips over how far ahead they are thinking, and that it isn't necessary to be "the best / winner" against all these other companies. All Valve wants is for no one to lock them out, which would be likely if it was just Oculus around. Even in Keighley's Gameslice interview, they discuss why they are not focusing on mobile and how they plan ahead for the future. They seem more interested in research to keep SteamVR alive. I suspect as long as they can develop growth for gaming in VR, they'll be happy enough. Oculus have no intention of only being involved with gaming. HTC don't either, but I don't think Valve will be too bothered.
Teknopathetic
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"Expensive. I just want to know how many people think PCVR offers a justifiably higher quality of VR over PSVR when you look at these prices, and factoring in the cost of the PC/PS4 in the mix? I'm not sure it really does."
Easily, and not just in graphics. The benefits of an open platform vs. closed make PSVR a non-starter if I were to only get one.
Easily, and not just in graphics. The benefits of an open platform vs. closed make PSVR a non-starter if I were to only get one.
Fredrik
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iPad Pro is a complete product, you need a pretty expensive computer too to use the Vive (or Rift). The price is pure madness. Honestly, I think VR will bomb on PC because of these prices.
DOT DASH DOT
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It won't bomb, look at the Oculus with July shipping, prob Aug/Sept by the time it launches.
Felix Lighter
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I'm very excited about VR but I'm not really interested at all in PSVR. I also recognize that I will be an early adopter, I will be spending a lot on a piece of equipment that will soon be obsolete, I think the vast majority of early adopters realize this. I am not setting up a VR cave. For me, PC is such a better platform for games in general for so many reasons, at this point I've virtually lost interest in consoles. If I'm going to be an early adopter, I'm going to invest in the best experience I can have, it's all going to be expensive, but honestly, PCVR is cheaper for me anyway. My PC is ready and I do not own a PS4.
Glorified G
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Pretty much this. Very few if any are going to be making a choice between console or PC VR. Especially early adopters. They're going to use their preferred platform regardless of price. It will be the same whenever the price and launch lineup will be revealed for PSVR. Either console gamers are going to be interested in PSVR, or not pick up VR at all.
artsi
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That's exactly what I meant. I'm saying they're fighting to keep Steam and SteamVR relevant, not to be a hardware company because that requires too much money if they tried to compete with Facebook / Apple / Google who all are going to be in that business with their huge R&D facilities.
My bet would be that Oculus will license Lighthouse at some point.
Right now. But with the Euro slated to hit 80¢ to the USD by September it's really not all that bad. That and it includes tax.
You know, premium enthusiast products isn't exactly a new concept.. It's good that people have good and cheaper options, but let's not pretend the difference isn't there. We're not talking 10,000 dollar speaker cables here either. Just the two-screen mechanical IPD adjustment alone is underrated IMO.
PSVR will be completely fine, Sony is doing the right thing from where they are standing. But anyway, here's just a tiny example to explain what will be missing (so-to-speak..):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6W7jyEee7o
The platform will offer an endless ocean of experiences. Just look at the existing DK1 and DK2 libraries.. They are just development kits sold in tiny numbers..
The two premium VR solutions aren't even the only options on PC.., there's going to be a plethora of HMDs and VR solutions in all price ranges.
How many times do we need to repeat this: There will of course be cheaper HMDs on the PC than that (and we don't know the PSVR price..).
And how many times do we need to repeat this; The Vive and the Rift are premium enthusiast products, PSVR is not. They are not supposed to be cheap but to offer the best quality and experience.
POWERSPHERE
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So like $1200 AU? Eat my shorts.
Let's wait and see if there PSVR prices are the same
Tainted
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I feel like the Vive price is just a reaction to the Rift price. If the Rift was $399 there'd be no way the Vive would be $799. But because the Rift is $599 and when the gap is only about $200 given the extras (room scale, controllers), it doesn't seem so bad.
Sucks because $799 is too expensive for me for a blind and first gen purchase. I think $500 would have been my limit for VR but it's going to take a while before it gets to that price.
The fact that it will be AU$1260 doesn't help things. I mean I've purchased LCD tvs, PC monitors over $1000+, my xbox360 HDTV was $3000, but I'm still a bit hesistant to plonk down over a $1000 on something that may or may not be well supported by developers.
Sucks because $799 is too expensive for me for a blind and first gen purchase. I think $500 would have been my limit for VR but it's going to take a while before it gets to that price.
The fact that it will be AU$1260 doesn't help things. I mean I've purchased LCD tvs, PC monitors over $1000+, my xbox360 HDTV was $3000, but I'm still a bit hesistant to plonk down over a $1000 on something that may or may not be well supported by developers.
Fredrik
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Yup, this and the fast evolution of PC gaming tech which could mean that we'll see new HMDs in 2 years has made me lose the interest almost completely, plus the prices in Europe are just crazy.
~$1260 is the straight conversion right now, I'm sure they'll round it up to $1299...
Melon Husk
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Wind's Howling
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EDIT: Oh wait. VR. My bad haha.
1. Your opinion is valid.
2. The Vive is a high end product.. Complaining about its price makes as much sense as complaining about the price of a Veyron when you're free to buy a cheaper and still good car. Wait or buy a cheaper option if the price is too high.
3. Next gen/iterarion of high end HMDS are going to appear continously on PCVR and I bet the Rift 2 (I pre ordered a Rift) will be announced within a year, not two.
metareferential
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And customs.
But that it's our fault.
VAT on the other end should be deductible, like a tax free purchase.
Prepara la visa, Espo xD
SuperBanana
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Jesus christ. This is going to be like $2000 in Australia, isn't it? No thanks.
What? It's going to cost basically exactly what it does in the US, the 800 base price in the US is without TAX and the Australian MSRP is 899 USD (800 USD + tax would be 880 USD in our case with GST factor, so yeah it's like 20 bucks more).
What that gets rounded to I don't know, but 899 USD is actually a freaking phenomenal conversion for Australians, far better than we've seen in the past when it comes to US vs AUS relative pricing when you compare %'s and not just dollar numbers.
Comparing the Vive to a Bugatti Veyron is ridiculous for so many reasons. I get that you're excited but the comparison makes zero sense in this context.
You don't have to repeat anything. Melon gets it, thank you. Did not think about that. Thought it had to do with having more bases of operation around the world. What I meant was how is it possible for Sony to offer the same number price and HTC and Oculus don't. Example was the PS4 price with 399 dollars/399 euro whereas HTC seems to be 799 dollars/899 euro.Because the arrow of time:
PodcastFips
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The list of reasons to justify a 3 or 4 (or even more?) times higher price tag for a Veyron compared to other sports cars potentially has hundreds of entries. These headsets vary little in hardware being used. If PSVR hits at 399, there are no reasons for Vive to be twice as much. This comparison is really bad.
Possumowner
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£689 yikes,although I did expect it in that region,I guess I got my hopes up to high
Chairmanchuck
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799$ is without taxes.
Turin Turambar
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vary little? They vary in almost everything important! : Screen resolution, lenses, controllers included, range of motion (room-scale), hardware admitted (ps4 vs pc)..
DOT DASH DOT
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It'll still sell out, people want the next big thing and will pay for it.
Chû Totoro
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Maybe one day people will learn that US prices are WITHOUT taxes while EU ones are WITH taxes -_-
EU is still a little more expensive but it's not 20% more expensive.
Oh and regarding the price, now console owners are going to feel even more like peasants lol
PC VR
Console VR
Of course you want a car to offer you a way to go from point A to point B but there's different ways to do it. With PS VR it may be less "impressive".
What I mean is that some games well optimized on PC with Vive could feel like something console owners can only dream of. VR is not like other platforms, it's very power demanding so having less power and a less high end tech Headset will make things way more challenging for devs. But it may be a good thing, difficulties and constraints are what leads to innovation. Maybe some of the best games will end up being console only games.
I'm really impatient to see the first big impressive games, exclusives or not. I'm not totally hyped by VR even if some of the tech and games shown seem to be good but seing what the industry can come up with this semi new toy will be at least fun to watch.
Edit: oh and regarding the price and the PC I have for now.... in 2016-2017, if I'm jumping in, it'll clearly be with PS VR. And actually I'm asking myself if the rumored 300-400€ price could make the difference. I just hope they don't sacrifice too much the quality of the experiences they offer. Because shitty PS VR will hurt VR as a whole, not only PS VR :/
EU is still a little more expensive but it's not 20% more expensive.
Oh and regarding the price, now console owners are going to feel even more like peasants lol
PC VR
Console VR
Of course you want a car to offer you a way to go from point A to point B but there's different ways to do it. With PS VR it may be less "impressive".
What I mean is that some games well optimized on PC with Vive could feel like something console owners can only dream of. VR is not like other platforms, it's very power demanding so having less power and a less high end tech Headset will make things way more challenging for devs. But it may be a good thing, difficulties and constraints are what leads to innovation. Maybe some of the best games will end up being console only games.
I'm really impatient to see the first big impressive games, exclusives or not. I'm not totally hyped by VR even if some of the tech and games shown seem to be good but seing what the industry can come up with this semi new toy will be at least fun to watch.
Edit: oh and regarding the price and the PC I have for now.... in 2016-2017, if I'm jumping in, it'll clearly be with PS VR. And actually I'm asking myself if the rumored 300-400€ price could make the difference. I just hope they don't sacrifice too much the quality of the experiences they offer. Because shitty PS VR will hurt VR as a whole, not only PS VR :/
GHG
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Do they only plan on making 10 units or something?
