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After Niji, Caviar F, and Torte City ended up being pretty spot on, as I see things it seems all but confirmed NX is gonna be heading our way later this year...
Their handheld follow the pattern you're describing, yes, but they are 10 years/ 2 gens behind, not one.I do see Nintendo continuing its handheld tradition and having the NX handheld be a generation ahead of the previous one. Nintendo's handhelds have had a fairly consistent pattern in terms of power being equivalent to (or slightly better than) a specific console (the Game Boy is basically a monochrome NES, though the Game Boy Colour was basically a 'super' NES with a worse screen resolution). The GBA was a slight better handheld SNES, the DS was a slightly better N64, the 3DS was roughly Gamecube/Wii level (though the stereoscopic rendering took up some of its GPU power), and I imagine the NX handheld is basically gonna be a portable Wii U with a more modern CPU and GPU.
So 2016 and it will be very good.
Their handheld follow the pattern you're describing, yes, but they are 10 years/ 2 gens behind, not one.
Where you're saying "slighty better", IMO that's "slighty less powerfull", and/or more often with less features.
GBC certainly isn't a SNES. The GBA have less buttons than the SNES, that was a problem for straight ports. The DS wasn't at ease with 3D games, that made it certainly a lesser N64, and hadn't a stick.
3DS probably can do more without the 3D, but I wouldn't say it was a Wii either. With your conclusion people will expect HD for the next handheld... While 540p seems to be the most possible choice at this point.
Anyway, this pattern will disappear. We have to look at the iOS/iPhone/iPad release pattern.
We know that's what Iwata had in mind. If only there was a professional, video-games focused business analyst to speak about this...
That being said, it still is a huge uphill battle to even reach the WiiU's numbers. It's definitely no guaranteed success. Not like they're riding any momentum in the console space.Certainly has more chances to be one than the Wii U ever will. And it may be a difference in how success will be measured.
A new console from Nintendo should get enough early adopters to have a significant uptick in sales over the Wii U.
- Michael Pachter
that's enough to disregard everything he's saying after it.
Nintendo literally has no major release for the Wii U after Summer 2016. Unless they stopped liking money.. it's a good assumption that the NX will be launched in the fall this year.
He has a decent job and lives in a mansion.
Yeah, relatively speaking, the PS1 in '94/95, the PS2 in 2000 and PS3 in 2006 were all higher-end hardware for the time which they were released, compared to PS4 in 2013.
And this assumption is based off what exactly? Wii U sales?A new console from Nintendo should get enough early adopters to have a significant uptick in sales over the Wii U.
And...the...punchline...is...?I laughed my ass off in the latest Pachter Factor where he said only fanboys would buy the NX, and after seeing Wii U sales there's only 12mil of u out there
God damn lmfao
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Really, the only real reason the 3DS is considered 'weak'.
Receipts.gifI have a $40 smart phone and it runs games that look much better than 3DS games.
So 2016 and it will be very good.
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Which phone and which games ?
ps4 came with 8gb of GDDR ram which was pretty beastly when high end graphic cards at the time only had 2-4 gb at most and were more expensive than the ps4.
anyways nintendo have not made a console that appeal to me since the snes. why can't nintendo just make a pure gaming console without a gimmick like back in the day with the gamecube?
I did like the gamecube which i think is better than the n64, wii and wii u combined. this nx doesn't sound like a pure gaming console from nintendo. it will probably have a gimmick again.
I laughed my ass off in the latest Pachter Factor where he said only fanboys would buy the NX, and after seeing Wii U sales there's only 12mil of u out there
God damn lmfao
2016 release means it's 28nm technology with a semi-custom design likely based on AMD Carrizo with possibly more GPU CUs. Since it uses DDR3 or DDR4 it's going to be limited to XB1 performance PLUS any efficiencies in the newer GPU design. Carrizo supports power islands for the GPU blocks (plural) so it can support being tablet or Desktop (connected to the mains) performance which I think also supports the rumors. (It can't easily use GDDR5 memory because the ARM blocks would use too much power in Standby and Media power modes).I do see Nintendo continuing its handheld tradition and having the NX handheld be a generation ahead of the previous one. Nintendo's handhelds have had a fairly consistent pattern in terms of power being equivalent to (or slightly better than) a specific console (the Game Boy is basically a monochrome NES, though the Game Boy Colour was basically a 'super' NES with a worse screen resolution). The GBA was a slight better handheld SNES, the DS was a slightly better N64, the 3DS was roughly Gamecube/Wii level (though the stereoscopic rendering took up some of its GPU power), and I imagine the NX handheld is basically gonna be a portable Wii U with a more modern CPU and GPU.
Really, the only real reason the 3DS is considered 'weak' is because the Vita leapfrogged it in terms of power like the PSP before it did with the DS, and mobile devices getting away with better specs due to much quicker upgrade releases and the devices themselves being overall more expensive, and even then, actual capabilities aren't equivalent because mobile devices aren't dedicated gaming machines by any stretch. Though, really, a generation behind the PS4/Xbone is probably for the best price-wise for a handheld, pulling a Vita would probably be an extremely bad idea, as the Vita itself demonstrated, as great as the device was.
because the gamecube was nintendo's biggest failure not named "virtual boy"...until they released the wiiU.
they can't compete with "pure gaming console." They view trying to compete with sony and microsoft on their own turf as pretty much suicide.
Not easily in 2016 and not cheaply in 2017.I am sorry but are you crazy??? Nintendo can easily put out a console that is more powerful than both ps4 aand xbx1. They (sony and ms) are using computers parts... its not like they have to spend 3 billion on r & d to fund their own processor.
2016 release means it's 28nm technology with a semi-custom design likely based on AMD Carrizo with possibly more GPU CUs. Since it uses DDR3 or DDR4 it's going to be limited to XB1 performance PLUS any efficiencies in the newer GPU design. Carrizo supports power islands for the GPU blocks (plural) so it can support being tablet or Desktop (connected to the mains) performance which I think also supports the rumors. (It can't easily use GDDR5 memory because the ARM blocks would use too much power in Standby and Media power modes).
IF it were 2017 it could have been 14nm Zen + Polaris + Interposer/ HBM and not limited to XB1 performance.
Patcher is using the 2016 release date plus AMD roadmap in his prediction nothing more.
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Oh so that's why he talks a lot of shit then
Yeah, this might be why, indeed.People here are putting a greater weight on his words, a higher expectation of validity or suggesting he should have immunity from criticism not afforded to an average NeoGAF forum poster making similar blind statements. There appears to be quite a number of them, and the more they treat him as untouchable, the more fervently people here will tear him down.
See as an example of this phenomenon: Gene Munster in relation to Apple discussions.
But if we have to disregards everything he said because he doesnt know what the NX is, including his guess on the launch date, we also have to disregard everyone else's assumption here as well (including what you say about a 2016 fall launch) because we dont know what the NX is either- Michael Pachter
that's enough to disregard everything he's saying after it.
Nintendo literally has no major release for the Wii U after Summer 2016. Unless they stopped liking money.. it's a good assumption that the NX will be launched in the fall this year.
He bases his assumption that Nintendo wont change much from what they've done recently."I don't know what it is, but it will suck"
MMMMMMkaaaaaay?
The only AMD product using 14nm in 2016 is the Zen CPU...no HBM either in APUs. 2017 for Zen + Polaris + HBM but likely too expensive for Nintendo and no sense using HBM unless a large GPU requires the memory bandwidth which means it's a really high end high performance and expensive APU. Does that sound like Nintendo?Wasn't Carrizo rumored to feature a GDDR5 memory controller? Has this ever been confirmed?
Anyway, if it comes on 28nm I can also see something in the ballpark of Carrizo, I wouldn't rule out 14/16nm in 2016 though, especially as it probably is a late year release. Then I could easily see something like PS4 performance (8 ARMv8 CPU cores, 1024 Polaris shader units, 8GB GDDR5), this would probably be even smaller than Carrizo.
The only AMD product using 14nm in 2016 is the Zen CPU...no HBM either in APUs. 2017 for Zen + Polaris + HBM but likely too expensive for Nintendo and no sense using HBM unless a large GPU requires the memory bandwidth which means it's a really high end high performance and expensive APU. Does that sound like Nintendo?
The Carrizo design can't use GDDR5 as it's targeted at Tablet and Desktop with Southbridge part of the SoC. It's a true SoC with h.265 (HEVC) support. If memory were GDDR5 then minimum power modes would have to support active GDDR5 memory which is above the 1 watt range and total system power in standby is supposed to be below 5oo mw.
The rumors including ARM were because of the portable and desktop functionality. Carrizo is an X-86 APU that can do portable and Desktop. It has an ARM block inside the APU (Southbridge, Northbridge, Codecs, Player and Trustzone TEE) and AMD has been working with ARM emulation using their APUs. Out of the box and not semi-custom Carrizo is a 1TB APU compared to the XB1 1.3 TB and the PS4 1.8 TB.
The only AMD product using 14nm in 2016 is the Zen CPU
2016 release means it's 28nm technology with a semi-custom design likely based on AMD Carrizo with possibly more GPU CUs. Since it uses DDR3 or DDR4 it's going to be limited to XB1 performance PLUS any efficiencies in the newer GPU design. Carrizo supports power islands for the GPU blocks (plural) so it can support being tablet or Desktop (connected to the mains) performance which I think also supports the rumors. (It can't easily use GDDR5 memory because the ARM blocks would use too much power in Standby and Media power modes).
IF it were 2017 it could have been 14nm Zen + Polaris + Interposer/ HBM and not limited to XB1 performance.
Patcher is using the 2016 release date plus AMD roadmap in his prediction nothing more.
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No, he's not. That would mean Pachter is paying attention to tech progression and that's a falsehood. He's time and again shown he has no clue what is going on with tech.
Not easily in 2016 and not cheaply in 2017.
The only AMD product using 14nm in 2016 is the Zen CPU...no HBM either in APUs. 2017 for Zen + Polaris + HBM but likely too expensive for Nintendo and no sense using HBM unless a large GPU requires the memory bandwidth which means it's a really high end high performance and expensive APU. Does that sound like Nintendo?
The Carrizo design can't use GDDR5 as it's targeted at Tablet and Desktop with Southbridge part of the SoC. It's a true SoC with h.265 (HEVC) support. If memory were GDDR5 then minimum power modes would have to support active GDDR5 memory which is above the 1 watt range and total system power in standby is supposed to be below 5oo mw.
The rumors including ARM were because of the portable and desktop functionality. Carrizo is an X-86 APU that can do portable and Desktop. It has an ARM block inside the APU (Southbridge, Northbridge, Codecs, Player and Trustzone TEE) and AMD has been working with ARM emulation using their APUs. Out of the box and not semi-custom Carrizo is a 1TB APU compared to the XB1 1.3 TB and the PS4 1.8 TB.
I laughed my ass off in the latest Pachter Factor where he said only fanboys would buy the NX, and after seeing Wii U sales there's only 12mil of u out there
Nintendo should parlay their off-TV play expertise and join MS and Sony on the cross-play-on-a-PC bandwagon. I would love to have all 3 doing this.
That would require Nintendo releasing their games on another console or PC...
That would require Nintendo releasing their games on another console or PC...
Nintendo should parlay their off-TV play expertise and join MS and Sony on the cross-play-on-a-PC bandwagon. I would love to have all 3 doing this.
I have a mild anxiety related to NX in how it will affect Nintendo's overall health as a company.
It just feels like they've been chasing gimmicks for over a decade and the market is shifting away from their wheelhouse ideas. It's great that they're consolidating their handheld and console depts. if the rumors are true. But I think pursuing hybrid handheld in any form is a ship that has sailed in a post-smartphone world.
I hope they do well in the end as I respect the unique brand of gaming that they bring to the table. But man, I just can help but worry for them between their flagging console sales and an overall handheld market that seems to have dried up at an alarming rate.
Perhaps diversifying into the mobile space can prove healthy for them if they dive in with both feet and offer "real" games, not spin-off companion apps like Miitomo.
Good luck to them either way.
I believe they're talking about streaming to a PC, but I wouldn't hold your breath for that.
Edit: Or am I misreading and they're talking about cross-platform multiplayer with PC? Nintendo's allowed that for quite a while now, it's just MS who are late to the party on that one.
I laughed my ass off in the latest Pachter Factor where he said only fanboys would buy the NX, and after seeing Wii U sales there's only 12mil of u out there
God damn lmfao
I have a mild anxiety related to NX in how it will affect Nintendo's overall health as a company.
It just feels like they've been chasing gimmicks for over a decade and the market is shifting away from their wheelhouse ideas. It's great that they're consolidating their handheld and console depts. if the rumors are true. But I think pursuing hybrid handheld in any form is a ship that has sailed in a post-smartphone world.
I hope they do well in the end as I respect the unique brand of gaming that they bring to the table. But man, I just can help but worry for them between their flagging console sales and an overall handheld market that seems to have dried up at an alarming rate.
Perhaps diversifying into the mobile space can prove healthy for them if they dive in with both feet and offer "real" games, not spin-off companion apps like Miitomo.
Good luck to them either way.
I suppose it's hard to look away from gimmicks when the Wii and DS succeeded so well. Even after the abysmal success of the Wii U (relative to Wii), I can tell they're still looking towards the stars in making that happen again.
And more importantly, this may be the cheaper route for them to take - to be the most different, not the most powerful.
You think it'll be a cut from the DS brand, as well?NX will be a cut from the Wii brand. It will be something different.