There actually was a recent rumor that it would be a hybrid (actually that it would be straight handheld-only with a wireless streaming to a special HDMI dongle), but this contradicts what Iwata said, which is the thing rumor-mongers keep forgetting.
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Pachter thinks NX will release in 2017, won't be very good.
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There actually was a recent rumor that it would be a hybrid (actually that it would be straight handheld-only with a wireless streaming to a special HDMI dongle), but this contradicts what Iwata said, which is the thing rumor-mongers keep forgetting.
I don't know if there will a NX handheld console. I would assume yes and yes, it will be a cut. But hell, we knew more about QoL than NX.
You mean this legendary nonsense?
http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1191557&page=1
That is indeed straightup drivel
I think it'll be coincidence that the company carries out one strategy that it had carried out a decade before, yes, because Nintendo isn't just rolling out its set plans from 10 years ago, a new group of people will craft their own plan and if it resembles the one from 10 years ago, that's a coincidence. No one at Nintendo is digging through files to look at what they did with the GameCube.
Are you seriously disagreeing with me or do are you just reflexibly mad about this? I can understand seeing things differently, but the incredulity seems misplaced.
Oh no doubt, and I've never said otherwise. NX has to be a foundation to build from, something that repairs good will and mindshare, even if it only achieves a moderate bit more success from Wii U. NX is a launching pad to something they hope will be an even greater success, because even Nintendo knows they won't turn their fortunes around Wii-style in one fell swoop.
I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on PSVR and Hololens.
In branding, yes. I think 2 screens will still be there, but it will not be the branding focal point.
co·in·ci·dence
kōˈinsədəns
noun
1. a remarkable concurrence of events or circumstances without apparent causal connection.
There is an apparent causal connection. Both outcomes will originate from the same cause: A console selling very poorly with new hardware on the horizon that they see a greater opportunity with.
Coincidence requires that they came to the same conclusion from an entirely different starting point. There's no difference except the people at the helm, but that alone does not facilitate a coincidence.
And looking beyond just Nintendo, it's a standard practice across the video game industry. Sega abruptly killed software support and discontinued the 32X AND the Saturn (except in Japan, where wasn't discontinued hardware-wise until well past its expiry date). Microsoft did it pretty spectacularly and blatantly with the Xbox. In both of those cases, what was the cause? Exactly the same as Nintendo's with the Wii U.
As I said in the rest of the post you didn't bother to include, it's not about playing right out of the GameCube playbook, it's about playing from the business logic handbook. Maintaining manufacturing of the console costs money better spent elsewhere, as is the bulk of software development resources, which CLEARLY aren't being dedicated to the Wii U anymore aside from Zelda, which is suspected to launch on NX alongside the Wii U release.
This is the most blatantly choreographed snuffing out of a console to make room for its successor since the GameCube. Everyone bloody knows that's what is happening, and if you're not seeing the same thing happening, when it clearly makes the most sense from a business standpoint and is something they've clearly done before for the same reasons, I really don't know what to tell you.
Just because different people are at the helm or "the industry has changed" doesn't void the use of the most basic logic to come to the same conclusion from the same starting point. And that is not "coincidence". It's quite possibly the most obvious and banal choice to make that anyone in their position would be making.
This is putting the tree the cart is made from in front of the horse's mother.
Uhh cool?
I think you're trying to argue past me, not with me, so I think I'm out. Keep that dictionary handy though!
shira
Member
He called a $499 PSVR before Sony's conference. Clearly he's out of the loop
https://twitter.com/michaelpachter/status/709844671766384640
https://twitter.com/michaelpachter/status/709844671766384640
PdotMichael
Banned
That appears to be pretty close if you want to run PSVR.
wonderful103
Member
It's kind of like if Nintendo sold you a handheld without a charger, minus people making complaint threads about it.
Spyder_Monkey
Banned
That's pretty close plus he was right on the ball with October.
TheSpecialOne
Banned
It's funny, I don't recall anyone ever making a thread about your predictions or better yet, mentioning it in the news. His $499 prediction is pretty much on point because the cost of the move and camera haven't been factored in yet. October was also on point. Seems like he knows what he's talking about and you don't. It's almost like he went to school for this and does it as a job...
Ninja Scooter
Member
More importantly, they are predictions. I don't think he ever claims to be a super secret insider who is getting his info from a leaker within Sony/Nintendo, yet people hold him to those same standards. So many things can change up until the last minute with these announcements, you can't expect everyone to predict everything to the last detail.
Bitch Pudding
Member
Okay, so Pachter was actually right. Newsworthy?
Just kidding. Hope the only thing he correctly expected is the release date, not NX' quality...
Just kidding. Hope the only thing he correctly expected is the release date, not NX' quality...
BrokenFiction
Member
Well, he's one of two so far.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
That meant he might be right about NX being not good. Nintendoomed!
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
The Pach Attack!
fixed.
TheKastorian
Member
Truth is Nintendo is becoming less and less relevant to hardcore audiences. It's not their main target group. Nothing wrong with that, it's just how it is. Nintendo fans still expect some kind of "resurrection" of the good old Nintendo but most people don't see this happening.
spookyfish
Member
This is the best!
As a Nintendo fan, I've been fairly disappointed with its recent output, specifically Mario Party 10, Mario Tennis Wii U and Animal Crossing Bored Game. They may have to actually win me over with NX.
They probably won't have to win me over.
Bolivar687
Banned
In the end, Pachter is always right, it just takes long while sometimes. Nintendo did eventually end up releasing a Wii HD and some day The Order 1886 will cross the five million units sold threshold.
Mendax
Member
for some reason I find this super funny
NX will be a huge failure just like the WiiU, leading to Nintendo doing what they should do and go third party and stop making hardware.
That worked out really well for Sega.
Simply Sami
Member
Nintendo make better games than Sega.
Interfectum
Member
I don't think you can really compare the two. Nintendo has a ton of valuable IP to port across platforms.
So the next Smash Bros gets to add Nathan Drake and Crash Bandicoot to the roster?
Bolivar687
Banned
Launch-aligned, the Wii U sold fewer units than the Dreamcast at the time it was discontinued.
He is clueless in the most part and I have never seen him get a single thing right.
HOWEVER, I kind of agree with him on this, unless they have something radical up their sleeve, I cant see it being that successful.
Chû Totoro
Member
lol
A lot of people were right for 2017. Not only Pachter.
But it's ok if he wants to add this to his list.
A lot of people were right for 2017. Not only Pachter.
But it's ok if he wants to add this to his list.
Mendax
Member
Touche, but there should really be a "Pachter" thread or no threads. He's not news worthy and all the threads succeed in doing is bait people into arguments.
I Wanna Be The Guy
U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!
Ah good old revisionist history. They do now. Do they make better games than Sega did back then? I don't think so. Sega were a beast in terms of the quality of their software output when they were first party.
UnemployedVillain
Member
The Wii and DS were essentially the same brand. This was especially so with the Wii U and 3DS where their interfaces basically converged
Why did Pachter have to be right this time? Why did he have to be right about this?
the girl from Gravity Rush
the dogbird from Last Guardian
Knack
Sackboy? Is he still relevant?
So the next Smash Bros gets to add Nathan Drake and Crash Bandicoot to the roster?
the girl from Gravity Rush
the dogbird from Last Guardian
Knack
Sackboy? Is he still relevant?
DomsPlaying
Member
So much Pachter hate. He got the release window right at least!
themagicalkitsune
Member
He guessed the right year out of two possible years? Truly the prophet of our times.
Yeah yeah he got the month right too. damnit pachter
VendettaRed07
Member
There is absolutely no comparison between the quality of software sega made when they made consoles vs. when they went third party. The talent left and they became a much less valuable/relevant company.