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WSJ: Sony Plans New PlayStation for Graphics-Heavy Games
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Right? Like me, who has his fingers in the PC gaming pie, but still finds a place for consoles because in an adult life where gaming hours are minimal- fidgeting with updates, incompatibilities of hardware/drivers/clunkiness, and pure mechanical failure with piss poor customer support are things that have pushed me to really get pissed off.
PC gaming has its benefits, reliability and ease of use isn't one of them.
PC gaming has it's place in my life, but the busier I get, the more I find the appeal of consoles. It's the same as when I used to modify my Android phones to the latest cyanogenmod and futz around with all sorts of headaches in order to say I had the latest Android iteration. iOS came around, and I realized the hours I spent screwing around, soft bricking, etc. were better spent on a full function fixed device with mechanics that offered a parallel user experience.
DrROBschiz
Member
I dont think the scaling will be that detrimental
Its a spec change not a complete architecture change
PS exclusive titles tho
Kralamoonard
Member
NHarmonic.
Member
Fuck this shit. Not buying this and not supporting sony anymore if they start releasing the games i want on the ps4.5
entremet
Member
THE:MILKMAN
Member
We don't know. I'm waiting for Patrick Klepek/Eurogamer/whoever to follow up on the story.
I hope it isn't a hit and run story!
That's why I think these new consoles won't sell well. Since so many people own current PS4s and Xbox Ones, developers will have to make those systems the lead platforms. There will be a graphical difference between the old and new, but nothing dramatic enough to influence existing customers to upgrade. If Sony still plans to sell PS4s alongside PS4Ks at a cheaper price, then PS4 will still sell well but PS4K will struggle.
You won't support Sony if PS4.5 gets exclusive software or if PS4.5 gets the same game as PS4 just at a better fidelity?
Disaster Nebraska
Banned
Eh, for this to work they need two things to happen:
1) Cut the "old" PS4 price aggressively. It's $350 now? It'll probably be $300 by the time this comes out next year (I honestly don't see it coming out in 2016 at the same time as another piece of hardware).
Drop it down to $229.99 or even $200. Make sure the customers who were waiting for it to get cheaper have incentive to pick up the old model on the cheap. This also encourages devs to keep their games compatible with the older box. At least, if that's the intention here.
2) Price the "new" box within the ballpark of the "old" price. It should not be $500. It shouldn't even be $400. Make it $350 and call it good. The companies responsible need to make sure they make the transition as smooth and consumer-friendly as possible. Cash-grabs can come later.
Oddvintagechap
Member
This is awesome.
Basically two PS4 models. PS4 & PS4 Pro. They both have the same games. Awesomenss.
Basically two PS4 models. PS4 & PS4 Pro. They both have the same games. Awesomenss.
What if the games you want are also on the PS4.0?
Not true whatsoever? I wouldn't say that. It's true that the 360 sold more so they probably would have made games for it as the lead platform regardless but to suggest that it wasn't a factor at all is a little weird. I mean you really think that devs would have done something on the PS3 that was impossible on the 360 just because they could? Nah. Only way that would happen if if the hardware completely outsold the competition like the PS2. No Dev will ignore the XBO and the PS4 just because it has more power. Simple as that. Games are a business.
MS is doing the same and Nintendo just did this with the new DS. Think of it this way, every console has a "slimmer" remodel introduced midway through the cycle. Why not upgrade the internals as well. This could hurt the 1st model owners around year 5 or 6 with certain games being to demanding, but I don't see publishers looking forward to missing out on the huge install base.
small44
Member
Exclusive don't sell consoles anymore, third party multi-platform games do.
There is a huge benefit in releasing a value model and a premium model. Kids that are under 13 years old have zero idea or care about 4K or minimally bettert graphical effects. Offfering a $249 model with some free games will captivate that market with ease.
Meanwhile, the higher end consumer with the 4K television, HDR, and Freesync will actually appreciate the bigger bells and whistles. The beauty is one disc works on all platforms
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Meanwhile, the higher end consumer with the 4K television, HDR, and Freesync will actually appreciate the bigger bells and whistles. The beauty is one disc works on all platforms
.If two models are better than one, are N models better than two?
I just wonder where people put the cut-off, because until a few weeks ago tons of people swore by a cut-off of "one".
LizardKing
Member
I think this is a natural progression for consoles and I called this a few months ago with what I thought Nintendo would be doing. People seemed to not be too happy about it then or not take it too seriously.
Sony haven't said anything yet though have they?
Gemüsepizza
Member
This whole upgrade thing could really backfire. There is no easy way to run old games with better graphics on this new hardware. So this is very likely limited to new games. But on PC you don't have such limitations. You can play all your old games with higher resolution, higher framerate and better effects.
Omnistalgic
Member
Lol...I'm never gaming on my PC or Mac for the foreseeable future. Even with steam it is simply unappealing to me. You guys still don't get why ppl like consoles? Come now.
wapplew
Member
This doesn't make a lot of sense business wise.
Sony could keep selling PS4 at 350 maybe 299 for long ass time and make a lot profit without a PS4.5
With PS4.5, they have to drop PS4 lower than 299, and price new PS4.5 at $350 which doesn't make a lot of money.
Does it really worth the risk?
michaelius
Banned
If it's 400$ and doesn't sound like jumbo jet during take-off I'll change to it instantly.
Nothing pisses me more than console games that can't maintain 30 fps and I can't do anything about it since it would be some kind blasphemy to give graphic settings choice on consoles.
Nothing pisses me more than console games that can't maintain 30 fps and I can't do anything about it since it would be some kind blasphemy to give graphic settings choice on consoles.
i would rather have better image quality but whatever.
Where did you read that?
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
Junior Member
:lol
Gemüsepizza
Member
I don't see that happening. But there might be a chance that for a few PS4 titles, they don't spend as much time on optimizing/polishing as before, and focus on the PS4.5 version. We will have to see how this turns out.
Yeah, people are wearing some ugly colors (green with envy) in this thread.
Sony catering to an existing demand, in a manner that grows their business. In a manner that benefits the PlayStation platform, all without fracturing the PS4 install base. Not only is that a good thing, that helps fund content that otherwise would not make it on the PS4.0. The people who won't be upgrading won't be in any different boat then if Sony didn't go that route.
They are a business. As someone a few pages back pointed out. They sell a Luxury. I don't even own a PS4 because I can't afford one at the moment. Even I think this incremental console plan is a good thing.
The PS4 will be unified across hardware architecture. We already understand how to parameterize assets and rendering on hardware. All you have to do is optimize for the hardware architecture, then parameterize a build for a specific hardware spec. You can target each iteration just as well.
jabberwocker
Banned
Scaling is a non issue. But scaling isnt doing anything. People with 4k tvs are already scaling to 4k now. Because 1080p scaled to 4k is still 1080p with 1 pixel equalling 4 @4k. So thee is no point there. Rendering at 4k isnt feasible.
AstroNut325
Member
This is my thought as well. I welcome this.
Omnistalgic
Member
Too much logic and reason here. You need more outrage...There is a huge benefit in releasing a value model and a premium model. Kids that are under 13 years old have zero idea or care about 4K or minimally bettert graphical effects. Offfering a $249 model with some free games will captivate that market with ease.
Meanwhile, the higher end consumer with the 4K television, HDR, and Freesync will actually appreciate the bigger bells and whistles. The beauty is one disc works on all platforms
SDCowboy
Member
It sounds nothing like the 32x. The 32x had a separate game catalog, if I recall correctly. So if the PS4k will mostly (or always) use the same games, how would that be like the 32x?
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Gemüsepizza;199448164 said:
You have to like, you know, start somewhere, man. PC was not always so scalable either at one time.
You'll always have people willing to spend a ton of money on games, and those who aren't.
The ones who are will (probably) be insanely excited for a new model.
I doubt this has changed much today.
So the answer to your question could be yes depending on the person.
AstroNut325
Member
What makes you say that?
Are you underestimating the clicks Digital Foundry, IGN, and Gamestop receive when they put up video/articles talking about framerate, resolution, etc. Gamers are educated and actually do care. If this fails, it'll fall on Sony's neck, but we live in an era where consumers are far more educated than you give them credit for.
To me, this seems like it is going to end up like the new 3DS. No games developed specifically for it, and although it's more powerful, none of the games designed for the PS4 end up running that much better on it.
I mean, in order for a game to run better on the improved hardware, it would have to be coded as such, right?
I mean, in order for a game to run better on the improved hardware, it would have to be coded as such, right?
NullPointer
Member
I would have been fine with this.
As an original ipad owner it was discouraging just how quickly it became obsolete and support was dropped for it. That's not at all something I'd like to expand to other devices.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Sounds like still a lot of people put a cut off at 1 if you read these threads. As most things, it's individual. I'm OK with a new console every three years if it carries compatibility.
Not necessarily. It would be almost unpreventable for games with unlocked framerate (Infamous:SS, Until Dawn, KZ:SF come to mind) to not run better on the faster hardware - unless the extra performance is hidden behind some software lock that only newer games, or the updated older ones, can enable.
Gemüsepizza
Member
Well the best way to start would have been at the beginning of this gen. But now there is already a huge PS4 library. Seems like a big challenge. And then there is the possibility of a PS5 in a few years. Will those PS4 games run on the PS5? I hope Sony has a good plan for the next years, they will need need it.