I think if anybody really wanted this they'd just game on PC.
Then why arent we still getting NES releases? Didnt they have the larger console base than other consoles 25 years ago? How did these other consoles come along?
People upgrade to better stuff and the games have to promote that. Thats how it works for consoles. You have incremental upgrades of new consoles and developers move to newer platform now to be left behind. Do I honestly think it is bad as some are making it out to be no.B ut there is some justified fear that the original ps4 games may be a little rough around the edges when you have two specs for the same gen. Are the developers going to push the OG ps4 as far as they could with a newer hardware version out there? You could end up with worse performance since the developer has to focus on two platforms now.
I think if anybody really wanted this they'd just game on PC.
Can I ask a genuine question to people that are fully supporting this. I mean I'm indifferent to the idea now, but I just have a few concerns:
- Will this now mean that developers won't actually use PS4's full power and squeeze all the juice out of it now that they have another hardware to focus on, where otherwise, it could have just been one PS4 until the end of the generation and they keep iterating on that until they run out of juice i.e. will current PS4 owners get the short end of the stick as in they're not getting their dollars worth out of developers focusing all efforts on the PS4 as much as possible.
- As well as fragmenting development, will this now mean more complicated development for two pieces of hardware for a console. One advantage that existed before is that developers only needed to work on one model. Will this mean twice the amount of work (or just more work in general) now that developers have to optimise their game for two pieces of console hardware, make sure the game is stable on both, and certify their patches on both pieces of hardware - maybe one version of the game has a patch that is faultier than the other? Different hardware poses different problems.
If someone can alleviate these concerns, I think I'll be on board with the new hardware, otherwise, I'm quite neutral either way as it won't really affect me bar the first point. Either way, I'm interested to see how this all unfolds. I guess the market will speak in the end and if it is a success, then I guess it'll set the precedent. If not then it'll just fizzle out.
Feels like everybody is copying Apple.
I still don't get it: are we expecting the PS4K to render/uprender/upscale/whatever every game at 4K?
Or are we also expecting improvements on frame-rate (much more appealing to me in this case).
Do you guys remember when the Xbox 360 dominated last gen and all games were made first on the 360 and later on the PS3? Know why that was done? In order to sell the most games. We all knew the PS3 was stronger but devs wanted to use the lowest common denominator to sell the most games as possible. Will we eventually see games made exclusive to the PS4.5? Probably. But to suggest that devs would abandon that many consumers (Xbox One included) just to make better looking games for the PS4.5 is crazy. At most, people who buy the PS4.5 will get a performance boost.
Fuck this shit. Not buying this and not supporting sony anymore if they start releasing the games i want on the ps4.5
Eh, for this to work they need two things to happen:it would only make a lot of sense to offer an option to buy PS4k for $399 when PS4 is down to $250.
Fuck this shit. Not buying this and not supporting sony anymore if they start releasing the games i want on the ps4.5
The bolded is not true whatsoever.
Fuck this shit. Not buying this and not supporting sony anymore if they start releasing the games i want on the ps4.5
PS exclusive titles tho
If two models are better than one, are N models better than two?This is awesome.
Basically two PS4 models. PS4 & PS4 Pro. They both have the same games. Awesomenss.
This feels like it could singlehandedly kill PSVR and probably hurt future PS consoles a lot too. Announcing before PSVR launches seems like extra stupid timing so I'm still finding this hard to believe. Why would you basically tell people "hey might want to cancel those preorders and wait a while if you don't want shit to suck, losers!" while they still have ample time to just not buy PSVR at all.
Lol...I'm never gaming on my PC or Mac for the foreseeable future. Even with steam it is simply unappealing to me. You guys still don't get why ppl like consoles? Come now.I think if anybody really wanted this they'd just game on PC.
Eh, for this to work they need two things to happen:
1) Cut the "old" PS4 price aggressively. It's $350 now? It'll probably be $300 by the time this comes out next year (I honestly don't see it coming out in 2016 at the same time as another piece of hardware).
Drop it down to $229.99 or even $200. Make sure the customers who were waiting for it to get cheaper have incentive to pick up the old model on the cheap. This also encourages devs to keep their games compatible with the older box. At least, if that's the intention here.
2) Price the "new" box within the ballpark of the "old" price. It should not be $500. It shouldn't even be $400. Make it $350 and call it good.
WTF, do I buy the UC4 bundle or wait for this....?
Tell me GAF.
Am I the only one who cares more about improved frame rates than whether or not it can run 4k games? The idea of something like Bloodborne or even Uncharted 4 running at 60fps is pretty exciting.
So chances are good it'll have exclusive non-VR games?
Ugh. I barely feel like I got a "next gen" experience as it is. I'm done.
:lolI think if anybody really wanted this they'd just game on PC.
If there are any games that are PS4K only, that would be sad.
I'm not ready for another new PlayStation. The PS4 doesn't even feel fully matured yet.
I dont think the scaling will be that detrimental
Its a spec change not a complete architecture change
This is my thought as well. I welcome this.If Apple had followed the console model, we'd all still be using the original iPad and getting ready for the iPad 2.
It's time for consoles to join the rest of the consumer electronics industry. This is progress.
Too much logic and reason here. You need more outrage...There is a huge benefit in releasing a value model and a premium model. Kids that are under 13 years old have zero idea or care about 4K or minimally bettert graphical effects. Offfering a $249 model with some free games will captivate that market with ease.
Meanwhile, the higher end consumer with the 4K television, HDR, and Freesync will actually appreciate the bigger bells and whistles. The beauty is one disc works on all platforms .
Welcome to the era of the 32x all over again. Forget your old SHITTY hardware guys, please buy the new one..you don't HAVE to but we'll make sure you'll feel miserable if you don't
Gemüsepizza;199448164 said:This whole upgrade thing could really backfire. There is no easy way to run old games with better graphics on this new hardware. So this is very likely limited to new games. But on PC you don't have such limitations. You can play all your old games with higher resolution, higher framerate and better effects.
If two models are better than one, are N models better than two?
I just wonder where people put the cut-off, because until a few weeks ago tons of people swore by a cut-off of "one".
What makes you say that?"Existing demand"
I think people are overestimating the number of power-hungry console gamers.
"Existing demand"
I think people are overestimating the number of power-hungry console gamers.
I would have been fine with this.If Apple had followed the console model, we'd all still be using the original iPad and getting ready for the iPad 2.
Sounds like still a lot of people put a cut off at 1 if you read these threads. As most things, it's individual. I'm OK with a new console every three years if it carries compatibility.If two models are better than one, are N models better than two?
I just wonder where people put the cut-off, because until a few weeks ago tons of people swore by a cut-off of "one".
Not necessarily. It would be almost unpreventable for games with unlocked framerate (Infamous:SS, Until Dawn, KZ:SF come to mind) to not run better on the faster hardware - unless the extra performance is hidden behind some software lock that only newer games, or the updated older ones, can enable.I mean, in order for a game to run better on the improved hardware, it would have to be coded as such, right?
You have to like, you, start somewhere, man. PC was not always so scalable either at one time.