They are competing with MS. If MS releases a new console this holiday and Sony doesn't they will lose the power advantage. MS will shout out the lungs how they have the most powerful console on the market and it would turn the tide in the console war. MS will get all the better looking multiplats and all the unprecedented partnerships. MS needs a new console more than anyone else atm. They are about to release QB at 720p in 2016.
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WSJ: Sony Plans New PlayStation for Graphics-Heavy Games
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They are competing with MS. If MS releases a new console this holiday and Sony doesn't they will lose the power advantage. MS will shout out the lungs how they have the most powerful console on the market and it would turn the tide in the console war. MS will get all the better looking multiplats and all the unprecedented partnerships. MS needs a new console more than anyone else atm. They are about to release QB at 720p in 2016.
Marty Chinn
Member
No, we don't know that it's still the same because we don't have any info on how this is going to play out. You cannot answer with any guarantee about the following questions.
1) Do we still have a generation where the current generation won't play the next generation games?
2) How many iterations will there be for a generation?
3) What period of time for each iteration?
4) What will Sony allow developers to do with the newer hardware?
5) What won't Sony allow developers to do with the newer hardware?
I could go on. There's a lot of unanswered questions that can greatly change the landscape of how this plays out.
King Gilga
Member
Except yes, it does.
Fredrik
Member
Yup, prepare to see lots of day 1 comments when this gets official. Considering how important the resolution and framerate has become and how popular Face-Offs are it's quite logical that lots of people won't be okay with having the second best console. This will be a mandatory upgrade for many. And this time there will be console wars within the same brand.
Exactly. Sony isn't gonna drop a 4.5 and not try to push the hardware. They want to be able to show off mindblowing graphics that can hang with PCs if they go thru the effort of marketing this box. How do you think games made with this hardware in mind will run on the old box?
bitbydeath
Gold Member
And? You still get the same UC4 as if there would be no other option. Still best bang for your buck. Why would Sony make an inferior version? Have you seen last gen and all the HD rereleases this gen? It's the same thing and people still enjoyed their PS3 games and can now enjoy UC3 at 60fps. Now you have this option way earlier. I don't see why this should be a bad thing.
That's not really the same thing, though. Nobody knew that so much of the PS4 and X1's library would be remasters even when UC3 came out. Now UC4 is coming out and there's a very big chance you'll be able to play the 60fps version in a year if you pay $400 for the PS4.5 he has a point.
Because as I mentioned before the game industry can't handle another generational leap like we had with PS3>PS4.
Perception. A marginally better system sounds better as an option rather as the next gen leap from a sinking platform.
Lionel Richie
Member
If you don't think that future games could run at 30FPS on the newer PS4 and at 10FPS on the older, well you have way more faith in the industry than I do.
I can't see this going over well, and honestly, I hope it doesn't. Next gen I don't want to be faced with the decision of:
A: Buying a PS5, and then upgrading to PS5.5
B. Buying a PS5 and ignoring the upgraded model
C. Waiting until the most powerful PS5 is released, and hoping there's no more after that.
One thing I like about consoles is you just buy one and it's good until the successor releases. I have a good idea of what my $3-400 investment is getting me, and for how long I can expect new games for it.
A: Buying a PS5, and then upgrading to PS5.5
B. Buying a PS5 and ignoring the upgraded model
C. Waiting until the most powerful PS5 is released, and hoping there's no more after that.
One thing I like about consoles is you just buy one and it's good until the successor releases. I have a good idea of what my $3-400 investment is getting me, and for how long I can expect new games for it.
See my post above. I'm not fabricating concerns - if you're a ps4 owner like myself, its a little naive to think that ZERO tradeoffs will be made against the old box in favor of the new specs.
dealer-
Member
It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Is this effectively the end of generations? There will be hardware updates every two/three years and everything will be back compatible going forward.
bitbydeath
Gold Member
So you're not against it and are simply jumping the gun on unanswered questions?
mckmas8808
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How can you enjoy console gaming at all if you know there is a superior version of the game on the PC?
EASTC0AST_GH05T
Member
If a newly launched UC4 comes out and its at 30fps for single player of course and the new PS4.5 comes out with it running at 60fps I am going to feel some type of way.
What if UC5 isn't a 60/30 split though. What if there's only a 30fps version, that pushes the PS4.5 like crazy - and the PS4.0 gets a port with toned down assets, that struggles to hit 30fps? Thats a totally different world in which UC5 is absolutely optimized for one PS4 spec.
I think a lot of us expect some difference between the two because of the rumors, not in spite of.
"Here's this brand new console that devs aren't gonna focus on because a lot of you guys have still have PS4s."
people are way too optimistic for this.
and people complain about parity and systems holding each other back. you think devs are going to limit themselves to old consoles if they have ones out here that are much more capable? eventually the games, if they continue to come, are going to run like trash and people are really going to complain about 720p/900p on their PS4/XB1.
Which is basically what it boils down to.
Some of the comments on these threads - 'I'm leaving gaming if this is where it's headed!' especially - are ridiculous.
Let's wait until we actually know what the damn thing about s before throwing the teddy out.
mckmas8808
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What do you mean "can't handle another generational leap"? I don't understand you here. Why wouldn't devs not able to handle a console with 64 GBs of RAM and a console that can push 10 Teraflops of data?
eyeball_kid
Member
That's not really true. Developers will began to prioritize dev and optimization efforts for the PS4K. We'll see more technical issues, framerate problems, etc. with PS4 games. In a conventional console cycle, everyone is equal. The person who bought Console X six years ago can play the same games at the same res as the person who bought one last week. And developers could depend on that unchanging platform spec and squeeze all the power out of it. A double-console gen will basically turn consoles into budget gaming PCs disposable and quickly outdated.
Marty Chinn
Member
I'm concerned to what extent this fragmentation is going to exist and how damaging it could be. If it's going to be like a Nintendo DSi, then I won't really care. However, I do understand why people are concerned and unhappy with what this could mean. By no means is this all guaranteed to be good right now. What little info we have is throwing up warning flags for people and very understandable for concern.
mysteriousmage09
Member
Devs will stop focusing on the out of date hardware and not put in the effort of getting every last frame possible or as much detail they can out of it and instead go fully to the new hardware since they can do much more with it. Vanilla PS4 will be put on the back burner getting the low quality scraps of every game that's advertised the moment the new hardware is released.
bitbydeath
Gold Member
You won't be able to play Uncharted 4 on anything but PlayStation anyway.
3rd parties sure but then you are already missing that when you could buy a kick ass gaming PC right now.
Imagine your example of UC5 for PS4.0 without another SKU. People would still like and play it.
But I guess people just think differently on this matter. I can somehow grasp the concerns but certainly not understand them. We will see how this pans out and if Sony/MS will botch the vanilla version ports.
So you're saying the industry can't handle an actual PS5, and the only option is a marginally better PS4? Just trying to understand you
Marty Chinn
Member
I assume he means by a long generation gap, ie how long it took to go from PS3 to PS4. The time frame was too long and it needs to be shortened.
Yup. And devs will wheel out the PS4.5 version for TV ads/marketing, and say that you will get the same great experience on the PS4.0 version, but come on.
You think the next COD will be optimized perfectly for both? Look at the old-gen vs. new-gen splits on some of those games.
Vol5
Member
Do we know this for sure?
On second thought, if the PS4K can play PS3, PS2 and PS1 games, then I'm down with that now. If this is true for the beefier CPU all new 3DS XL to play Wii games, then I'll instant a buy more so for that then 4K. I still think Sony should make this new model limited and not shit on the goodwill of the ambassador fans. Keep PS4 frame rates to 30FPS even on the PS4K. If they start pulling a Nintendo and making exclusive 4K games, then that's the beginning of the end for Sony.
Insider said as much, he said there would be no PS4.5 exclusives.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
In my example it would be shortened. The PS3 generation was about 7.5 years, the PS4's would be 6 years (given that the PS5 would come out in Holiday 2019.)
I don't see why devs couldn't handle that.
Omnistalgic
Member
missing out on a lot of good stuff man...
If all everyone is worried about is value, you aren't seeing the forest for the trees.
I totally believe this, this there's no way publishers would leave this money on the table. That doesn't rule out shoddy ports/conversions though.
Marty Chinn
Member
The problems with kick ass gaming PCs is nobody targets utilizing that full potential. They can't. Sure high end gaming PCs will give you extra polish and performance, but the potential is never fully utilized unlike when it comes to a console. It's why you don't see dramatic changes in games until the new generation of consoles hit. They set the new bar and you get instances like Driveclub, and The Order 1886 which push things even though PCs that were way more powerful existed before the PS4 was even released. Plus, there's exclusives.
I've already explained why...I mean, have you seen how fractured the industry has been jumping from PS3 to PS4? Moving engines to the new platform, handling new workflows, new hardware, new everything has killed many studios and have created a bottleneck that has crippled game production for a lot of teams.
Essentially both...we can't afford another long generation, and at the same time we can't have a major generational leap again without adding a ton of production costs to games. And considering how volatile the AAA industry is right now, that's not really an option anymore.
El-Pistolero
Member
It should be a valid concern. You offer developers more power for what? So that they limit themselves to increasing the resolution?
Marty Chinn
Member
This is true to a certain extent, but it's also not totally true. Going from Unreal Engine 3 to Unreal Engine 4 was a pretty significant shift and that's an engine that exists on the PC. There will always be new powerful engines and new engines don't make it a guarantee there isn't a shift in workflow, tools, and moving things over.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
You dont really believe this do you?
And how do you know that some of the last gen ports weren't optimized? Hell look at Blighttown in Dark Souls on 360/PS3. That ran like shit. Look at Rise of the Tomb Raider on 360. Looks and plays fantastic. it depends on the devs and even some current gen games come out in unplayable states because of low effort and low specs in these consoles. There are so many factors to look at but I still think that the vanilla hardware will be treated as if there is no better version of it. The .5 consoles will just get a better performance as if you would upgrade your GPU in your PC. I'm very optimistic here.
bitbydeath
Gold Member
I think the new system will receive some exclusives (namely VR) which would not otherwise be possible on current hardware.
Staying on the same system changes nothing though, you'd still not receive those games on current hardware with or without PS4K.
Yeah, that's true, but if Uncharted 4 isn't a $460 game for you ($400 for PS4+ and $60 for the game) then you're either going to have to play the objectively inferior version or just go without. The thing with consoles is that apart from maybe Nintendo's DS/3DS upgrades hardware revisions of the same console line never go down well. If this is happening then they're trying to capture the smart phone, PC and laptop "yearly upgrade" thing without really thinking about whether the video game market is right for it.
But, you never know, it might actually go down well. If Sony/MS play their cards right in marketing an upgraded console might get mainstream approval. Much like the NX, we'll have to wait until E3 and make judgements then.
Marty Chinn
Member
Again, I think people who buy consoles have a certain expectation. Someone buying a PSVR headset is going to expect to be able to play all games on it. Not some games; all games.
I'm not saying all games will be unoptimized. I'm saying that we just don't know - and that's a huge departure from what console expectations are.
As to the bolded, that just makes zero sense. The better box will soon be the lead platforms if they sell half decently.