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Tracer's butt victory pose will be removed from Overwatch
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It made them uncomfortable because it didn't fit the character which makes it feel like pandering.
truestatic
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I don't think RIP Widowmaker 2016, so much. Widowmaker will probably stick around. I think next time Blizzard sits around discussing characters though, this is going to stick in their minds. I think it'll affect design going forward, and in the future, they'll err on the side of caution. That in mind, RIP Widowmaker Analogues, we never knew ye.
Maybe.
Or maybe they'll keep producing flirty and reserved characters, who can say.
Hidden One
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Social media did this.
captainpat
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Even if you like this change don't be silly.
i dont think thats what happened here... but its that mentality that comes across when stuff like this happens.
It feels like so often people think they deserve games to be changed... now whether Blizzard did it for them or not is beside the point. They did it when someone asked, all thats going to be perceived is that:
Complain = Devs do what i want
Regardless of actual motivation.
The fact that people feel entitled to the outcome of game development is whats insane to me. If someone doesnt like a character gender, race, sexuality, they feel as though theyre entitled to the game being changed, and if its not, they make an even bigger deal accusing the dev of all sorts of things from sexist, racist homophobes to pandering.
I don't know how you could possibly believe that.
- We can't see Mika's bare ass for like 3 entire frames during her CA in SFV
- We can't see Tracer's butt in one victory pose
- We can't have underage girls in thongs in XCX
And you seriously believe that!?
It's called editing
Evil Monkey DTT
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Preorder canceled......
Seriously the game isn't out yet out so I don't see the problem in any form. Good for them trying to do female characters right.
Seriously the game isn't out yet out so I don't see the problem in any form. Good for them trying to do female characters right.
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truestatic
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They found it distasteful to the point that it detracted from their enjoyment of the greater whole.
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Haha, okay everyone, I'm sorry. Can we go back to sex = guns thing again?
so....whats wrong with a woman or a man being portrayed as sexy. is that a bad thing? whats next, we cant have a buff male flexing his muscles? how are you going to design a character than runs around in skin tight pants but then get rid of a pose that shows her in the skin tight pants you designed the character to wear? just seems silly.
Obliterator
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There should be room for both. Flirty / Sexualized as well as more reserved "normal" characters. There are sexy people in real life.
As long as Blizzard and other studio's keep a nice mix like Overwatch has its all good in my book.
One victory pose.
Polioliolio
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And yet the popularity of yoga pants is unwavering.
If they are afraid of the butt, put some real pants on the gal.
If they are afraid of the butt, put some real pants on the gal.
Things snowball. Something as "insignificant" as this could lead to bigger changes in the future. Imagine how much more shitty things would be in the world if even the smallest issues went unchecked because "eh, it doesn't really impact much right now."
I think this was a silly thing to get worked up over. I haven't and still don't take issue with other complaints lobbed at games (I've found myself agreeing with Anita many times). But getting worked up over a pose? That character model is still going to be in the game. If anything lobby to change the character and not one single pose.
ElBoxyBrown
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Her new pose can still be from behind but this time she's in a "I'm about to run" position while still looking behind. That could be a good compromise.
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JoeyJungle
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I can't place it, but there's something off about that butt. It's too high up or something. Or like, too flat for how round it's supposed to be. Like it's two round thigh stumps, there's actually no butt there at all.
truestatic
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The problem is manifested and reinforced in all sorts of inconspicuous, seemingly benign ways. They evidently see this as one such example.
Hitokiri03
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It seems more a problem with her clothes than anything else.
Just curious - what's the worst that have happened when a game dev said "No, we won't change our design to fit with what people complain about"?
The only thing I can think of is when Hatred initially was rejected by Steam, but that's kind of a special case.
Dice//
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Outright and overt sexism or racism or whatever -ism is easy to notice and quell.
It's the small ways it's continuously reinforced that add a LOT of drops to the bucket. Trying to stop those "little drops" creates the whole rhetoric of "outrage culture".
Gunmonkey36
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And nothing of value was lost
ShadowSwordmaster
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Becuase this is the internet and people tend to overreact in these type of situations on both sides of it.
Right, but it is still objectively removing content that would otherwise be there.
It's not a huge deal (it is just a victory pose) but the game I buy is less of a game because of it.
They removed it because people complained.
jediyoshi
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I can't tell whether you are genuinely confused as to what the actual conflict is or not.
truestatic
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Ubisoft, AC: Unity. Negative press, likely lost sales.
We're talking about different 'theys,' but yeah. You asked why they'd praise it. That's why.
boondock18
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I wish people would have complained about this game continuing the trend of charging full price for a game that will adapt a f2p model as well. As well as not having any kind of single player. But yeah, that pose was completely inappropriate.
Lol, seriously? They'll replace the pose.
Because artistic vision! Unless it isn't about the female form then I will criticize the shit out of the developers for every tiny thing.
Things get added or removed during development all of the time. Yes, sometimes even due to outside criticism.
Alcotholic
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I agree with this, the pose is not really the issue here.
For me it gets worse and worse. From shitty AAA budgets to things like this.
"Likely lost sales" is pretty hard to prove, though. Especially with a game like Unity, where being a bad game with horrible frame rates overshadowed any other factors.
Also, bad PR isn't necessarily a negative thing. I bet a ton more people discovered and bought Dragon's Crown, for example, due to the controversy and all the articles written about the game.
the_batman
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they should've changed it to where she's bending over instead.
this makes people feel uncomfortable? how fragile are people these days where a digital derriere makes you have a panic attack.
this makes people feel uncomfortable? how fragile are people these days where a digital derriere makes you have a panic attack.
No doubt. 'Oh no, an ass crack in tight pants! Remove it at once or we rage!' It's sickening that this kind of shit is dictating decisions like this for everyone else. It's becoming as bad or worse than ultra right wing christian groups.
The game is probably already less of a game because they probably built other characters and didn't fully develop them or found them to be too imbalanced to work with the rest of the cast. Levels have probably been scrapped as well as dialog lines.
We're just privy to this one creative decision
Are we so weak in this country that a fictional character posing her rear end offends people now?
There is still major racial divide, continuous racial police brutality, actual real life women are still be discriminated against, harassed and treated poorly, but no, tracers rear end bothered the OP in the bliz thread enough to whine about it.
I dont care about it being removed, still hyped for it and it is just a pose, but for God's sake, priorities people
There is still major racial divide, continuous racial police brutality, actual real life women are still be discriminated against, harassed and treated poorly, but no, tracers rear end bothered the OP in the bliz thread enough to whine about it.
I dont care about it being removed, still hyped for it and it is just a pose, but for God's sake, priorities people
Darkly Tranquil
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Another victory for the perpetually offended. smh
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