I know you're just being disingenuous but I'll respond kinda seriously. Can it even really be considered killing when the person you defeat pops back in seconds later? You might as well be using nerf guns.
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Tracer's butt victory pose will be removed from Overwatch
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I know you're just being disingenuous but I'll respond kinda seriously. Can it even really be considered killing when the person you defeat pops back in seconds later? You might as well be using nerf guns.
The game contains violence, therefore any criticisms against its depiction of female characters are invalid! Do you even listen to yourself?
Woo-Fu
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Probably already removed, too many assophobes.
PixyJunket
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Isn't this a game where you murder other humans for sport?
Shouldn't THAT be what makes people feel uncomfortable?
What a strange little world we've become.
Shouldn't THAT be what makes people feel uncomfortable?
What a strange little world we've become.
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Exactly, you're reading just a response with no context and creating your own narrative for it.
Spring-Loaded
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And you're seemingly doing a great job at ignoring the content of their response entirely.
Dice//
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Has any chick NOT trying to get flirted/fucked given you this pose?
Do guys randomly spread out their legs for the camera in a non-sexual way (besides couch lounging
) ?This is the worst argument ever, I swear.
Characters in Mortal Kombat should have explicit sex since the game is very violent, right? Otherwise it'd be hypocrisy, clearly. Lol.
Already Torn
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Speak for yourself. I thought this game was breaking all the rules with its attitude. Now it's breaking only some of them.
Scientist Supreme!
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Okay I get it.
Should the remove the guns since that offend people also? Game will appeal to more people.
Should they add ponies, rainbows, Elmo, the Cookie Monster, etc to appeal to kids. Again game will appeal to more people.
Like I said. This whole situation is stupid over a Optional pose.
Or maybe, just maybe, the widespread proliferation of mass communication tools has allowed people whose voices were rarely heard before to finally air their grievances and as a result a lot of new points of view are finally be in heard all at once. Maybe women are now actually able to tell the leaders of male-dominated industries such as video gaming "hey, I want to buy your products but you always insist on making females into sex objects. Can you knock it off?" Sometimes people even listen and products start changing for the better.
I don't feel it's this way anymore. There are consequences for ignoring fans and media on these things since Sarkeesian videos. They had an impact on the industry and we're seeing these type of reactions more and more.
I don't think they were in the position to ignore anymore.
The original post wasn't some mother outraged by the pose because it doesn't fit the character design? Many people agreed with her position, the post grew and we've seen the reaction.
I don't believe in this anymore. Specially when it can create a snowball effect.
I think like you guys are being naive.
Well, or not... maybe I'm the one who's wrong... who knows. I'm just noticing a trend recently. I don't remember every game that removed sexy poses, but I'm sure that I've seen many of these type of topics in this forum.
captainpat
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But like people aren't held back in the workplace because their coworkers are too busy murdering them for sport.
A woman wearing revealing clothing in real life is her own decision. A fictional woman wearing revealing clothing is the decision of the character designer. Every decision made on a character's outfit reflects an intent by the creator. So I'll disagree that a fictional character can exist and have zero sex appeal while wearing a sexually appealing outfit with an attractively proportioned body.
As an example, KOS-MOS from Xenosaga has zero hint of sexuality in her personality or behavior. Her outfits are all revealing or sexy. She was absolutely intended to have sex appeal even if her personality doesn't reflect it. The same is true for Tracer.
Do people really feel like theyre entitled to a game? like... okay i dont want to come off as a dick... but i have to repeat the tired "if a part of a game bothers you, dont play it." It wasnt made for YOU personally, its not the devs job to make a game that doesnt offend you... its YOUR job as a consumer to FIND the game that doesnt offend you. And if theres something that bothers you in a game... you ARE ABSOLUTELY not entitled to it. Its fine to take to forums and air your disdain for it, but demanding a developer bow down to your personal convictions is absolutely insane thinking.
So now you're comparing male body shaming to female?
That logic is weird. Gore =/= sex, they're thematically different. In the same way, it'd be super weird if you were playing DOAX and suddenly Kasumi gruesomely beheaded Marie Rose.
That's exactly what one person did. Some people at Blizzard happened to agree with them and changed it.
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"This character is great, but she has a pose that undermines her personality completely and it feels so out of character that it's pandering. The other sexy character is fine."
"You know what, you're right. I could totally see that even making some uncomfortable"
Outraged? No, it was a level headed thought out post. And it doesn't fit the character and they agreed. You're suggesting that this was only decided because their hand was forced, not because they reconsidered.
NinjaCoachZ
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Video games and especially eSports have historically been an unfriendly environment toward women. So trying to put an end to that and do what they can to make it a less hostile environment is a good thing.
That is the key issue. Do you understand that part at least?
Oh.
Oh no, I agree with what you're saying here in the bolded bit. My point was more that objectification is in the eye of the beholder and I was essentially lamenting that some things are viewed as sexual when they shouldn't really be inherently, because we live in a world where most people are trained to view things that way (and making fun of people in that latter group in the process). Regardless, that IS the world we live in and so we should look at things as they actually are if we want to make progress. If that makes sense, I'm kinda tackling a few things here and my brain's not really working right ATM.
Sorry if it was unclear but I agree with the bolded bit.
EDIT: I don't even really know what's going on in this thread anymore and I don't really care about the subject so much so I'll probably just end it with this. I don't have an issue with Blizzard taking fan feedback into account for a community-focused game and removing inappropriate things accordingly.
truestatic
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This can be taken both ways though. You and I aren't entitled to a Tracer grinning at the camera with her back turned pose. And everyone's entitled to their opinion. And Blizzard is entitled to their design choices. So here we are.
blankempathy
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To be fair the initial post that started this says this
"This is a team effort. And I believe the team is responsible for upholding the great example overwatch can set to the rest of the industry for creating strong female characters.
I have a young daughter that everyday when I wake up wants to watch the recall trailer again. She knows who tracer is, and as she grows up, she can grow up alongside these characters."
So some people do find it strange that he doesn't want Tracer to be sexualized because apparently his daughter likes her but its okay if Tracer shoots people.
It's absurd that you think that's what happened. The person wrote their opinion. How is that post on the Blizzard forums "demanding a developer bow down" to them?
No one demanded that Blizz "bow down." Someone posted valid criticism, Blizzard read it and seemed to agree. jfc
So again the reasoning is about comfort and not conflicting lore
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Yet Widowmaker is still there, which is a huge hole in your theory.
"This character is great, but she has a pose that undermines her personality completely and it feels so out of character that it's pandering. The other sexy character is fine."
"You know what, you're right. I could totally see that even making some uncomfortable"
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Jigolo
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Lmao
Basketball
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sigh
this industry
this industry
Which could just mean that someone hasn't complained loud enough yet
Funny what cutting out sentences does
truestatic
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First R.Mika now this.
DOA fans right now:
DOA fans can rest easy. Team Ninja and TK know which side their bread is buttered on. They know what their audience is. DOAX is built on this sort of appeal. The same cannot be said of Overwatch, or any of Blizzard's properties.
SixMachine
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Ok I'll highlight it for you. It's obviously not changing what's being said.
"This character is great, but she has a pose that undermines her personality completely and it feels so out of character that it's pandering. The other sexy character is fine."
"You know what, you're right. I could totally see that even making some uncomfortable"
Lore conflict and making people uncomfortable are not mutually exclusive. His second statement doesn't somehow erase the first statement.
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Well no, if we just go off their response without context, as you do, Widowmaker is as good as gone.
RIP Widowmaker 2016.
Netherscourge
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I ain't even mad.
ElBoxyBrown
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I'd argue her salute pose is more lewder.
Again, crazy me for taking the response of the game's director seriously
truestatic
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