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"I'm not a big fan of Xbox 1.5"-Phil Spencer
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GHG
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Uh... What?
Isn't pretty much every TV that supports HDR 4K anyway? At least they all were a couple of months ago when I was buying a new TV.
Prototype Viktor
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Maybe got them NDP numbers + being told when to actually expect thier AR
draughn101
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Tatsumi Oga
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What does HDR exactly bring to movies and games?
slavesnyder
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Difficult to describe. Look at some pics in google search.
Images have something like "sharper colours". So it's not about more pixels alone, but about colour range.
Not really. His quote basically says the same, though your translation is much more definite.
This page?
https://translate.googleusercontent...91086/&usg=ALkJrhh-wLyhPCY66jYfEfc0sfZKm2tvpg
He doesn't seem to say that there.
Alpha Phoenix
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I feel the same. I think it's going to be a very interesting E3 this year.
DeepEnigma
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Wink wink?
It does have something to do with hardware, he's telling us it will be a significant upgrade and not an incremental one.
do people really think his comment was literally the ".5" and not the idea of incremental updates ala PS4K?
Phil really wants a substantial number increase in the nomenclature! Xbox One Billion!
Phil really wants a substantial number increase in the nomenclature! Xbox One Billion!
we're getting the xbox 360. 1 < 360
DeepEnigma
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MSFT does not deal numbers anymore, it will be called the Xbox MAU.
kungfuian
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While we might see an upgraded iteration of X-box One at E3 I'm much more inclined to think we see a range of devices introduced which support the IE-10 store and X-box One games.
As a company it's clear they are much more interested in unifying and increasing the reach of their software platform than anything else. Therefore it makes sense that rather then X-1.5 we'll instead see the introduction of a wide range of X-1 enabled hardware. Everything from Microsoft branded tablets, pc's etc, to Third party hardware (or specs for running the X-1 software on third party hardware).
This direction by default includes devices that would be equivalent to, and/or superior to, X-1. Therefore no need to for an X-1.5 right away. I'm not saying they wont ever release an X-1.5, but they likely won't pursue this type of iterative hardware until the math is right. When the chip to performance to cost ratio is best; which many have pointed out is more likely next year.
Will be interesting to see how this all plays out....
As a company it's clear they are much more interested in unifying and increasing the reach of their software platform than anything else. Therefore it makes sense that rather then X-1.5 we'll instead see the introduction of a wide range of X-1 enabled hardware. Everything from Microsoft branded tablets, pc's etc, to Third party hardware (or specs for running the X-1 software on third party hardware).
This direction by default includes devices that would be equivalent to, and/or superior to, X-1. Therefore no need to for an X-1.5 right away. I'm not saying they wont ever release an X-1.5, but they likely won't pursue this type of iterative hardware until the math is right. When the chip to performance to cost ratio is best; which many have pointed out is more likely next year.
Will be interesting to see how this all plays out....
Phils comments last month is really all you need to know. They most certainly have plans to offer a mid gen upgrade similar to the ps4. He's good with words and he's using a tad bit of PR. Pretty much saying if they do something like this the upgrade will be substantial. We'll see
Cynn
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Nothing will be saved if the X1 has to sit behind the PS4 that's behind the NX that's behind the PS4K as the dead last powerful console on the market.
I think HW wise it won't but they will sell it as some kind of new generation. But there is still a chance that we won't see any new console in next years although I really hope for a new Xbox this year.
Lol, MS is moving more towards a unified ecosystem than Sony is. MS is definitely going down this path, they have been hinting at it since last year. Not only will there most likely be a new Xbox, but I think it will come before or at the same time as whatever Sony is working on.
Additionally, I see no reason to "save" the traditional console cycle, as it is outdated and holds the industry back. This new way of doing things is a win for everyone.
Mushroomer25
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Except if Microsoft opens all the XBox content to PC, that effectively lets them own both extremes of the spectrum. Want a cheap console? XBox ONE, now $199. Take gaming more seriously? Build a PC, or get a prebuild with Xbox Inside.
Then with a mid-range upgrade, they can have a presence across the whole thing.
GHG
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Buts that's how it's always been done.
I love having to beg for BC at the turn of every console generation. I love having my expensive peripherals become incompatible at the turn of every console generation. I love having to rebuy the games I already own in order to play them on my new console. I love not being able to play online with my friends less fortunate than me who might not have been able to upgrade to the newer console yet. More than anything, I love having to stack all my old consoles under my TV just so that I can play any game I own any time I want.
wapplew
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You think traditional console cycle holding industry back, I think this new way is what holding industry back, but that's just me.
Enjoy your evolution cycle.
Jack The Nipper
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There is little doubt in my mind that ms is either
1. Stopping consoles or
2. Coming out with a whole new box fixing all thier one mistakes.
1. Beast machine that Sony can't compete with with consumer friendly low end versions that are near equal wit ps4 and the options to upgrade it.
People are much more willing to spend 100 plus 100 again on parts than they are 300 on a box.
I don't feel we have a big push for one games right now and it would seem what they have in development up to this point may be near all it will get other than 3rd party.
Both ps4 and one have been terrible as far as games anyways and it feels like we're still waiting for the magic titles.
Ps4 and one are too weak to do anything overly impressive over last gen at 1080p. Throw in 4k and your needing a lot more power again to make a push.
So many devs are gone ready I'm not sure what more power does. If Sony and ms want to propel gaming maybe they should consider developing the best engine and asset system ever created so that many developers don't need to worry coat and focused on design
1. Stopping consoles or
2. Coming out with a whole new box fixing all thier one mistakes.
1. Beast machine that Sony can't compete with with consumer friendly low end versions that are near equal wit ps4 and the options to upgrade it.
People are much more willing to spend 100 plus 100 again on parts than they are 300 on a box.
I don't feel we have a big push for one games right now and it would seem what they have in development up to this point may be near all it will get other than 3rd party.
Both ps4 and one have been terrible as far as games anyways and it feels like we're still waiting for the magic titles.
Ps4 and one are too weak to do anything overly impressive over last gen at 1080p. Throw in 4k and your needing a lot more power again to make a push.
So many devs are gone ready I'm not sure what more power does. If Sony and ms want to propel gaming maybe they should consider developing the best engine and asset system ever created so that many developers don't need to worry coat and focused on design
Cynn
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We're talking about the console market here not PC. The regular PS4 won't go away and will likely drop to the same price as the Xbox One. It will also support VR and have a deluxe model pushing console boundaries. MS deciding to go to war with Steam isn't a win for the brand. It's a whole other challenge.
...Plus I really want a superpowered Xbox One.
GHG
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How can something be holding the industry back when it doesn't exist yet?
We can see how the existing model holds the industry back. It's there for all to see. Developers are dropping like flies and just look at the platforms that they are gravitating towards. What do they all have in common?
MilkyJoe
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Being that he already said about new hardware and now that "if" they were to bring something out it would be substantial and they probably don't want to get left behind in the VR race and they already have a deal with Oculus Rift and the fact that the minimum specs for Rift are substantial...
https://www.linkedin.com/in/sriramravichandran
Don't know if the second paragraph is somehow related to the first one but interesting nonetheless. He was also involved in the original Xbox One APU design.
MilkyJoe
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https://www.linkedin.com/in/sriramravichandran
Don't know if the second paragraph is somehow related to the first one but interesting nonetheless. He was also involved in the original Xbox One APU design.
In plain English means?
GHG
Gold Member
And those are the two gaming platforms that are currently thriving and are experiencing growth while the console market is shrinking (at least according to the NPD). Hardware and software creators heavily involved in those platforms are also doing very well (no surprise).
Astral Dog
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Twist: Xbox 1.5 and NX is the same thing
Well at first he shrinked the ESRAM portion of the Xbox One APU after the console released. The second paragraph describes work on a non-specified processor which is getting produced in 14nm finfet. If this is somehow related to the Xbox part, we can assume there will be a new Xbox with a 14nm APU. Could also be just a slim model or something completely different.
Obliterator
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https://www.linkedin.com/in/sriramravichandran
Don't know if the second paragraph is somehow related to the first one but interesting nonetheless. He was also involved in the original Xbox One APU design.
Hooooooold up.
That straight up mentions a 14nm process. This is potentially big
GHG
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It would have to be the start of it. If not then what's the point?
I'm unsure if this is about SOME processor or somehow related to the first paragraph. Well I could make a thread and see if the profile gets changed
Jack The Nipper
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Seems anyone could assume this.
Obliterator
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I'm unsure if this is about SOME processor or somehow related to the first paragraph. Well I could make a thread and see if the profile gets changed
This is an AMD engineer though correct? They are working on 14nm for this year anyways so it may not be a smoking gun as to an Xbox processor.
That said its interesting that someone who has worked quite a bit on the Xbox GPU and ESRAM is now working on a 14nm process GPU. There's a few other interesting nuggets in there as well
He got my interest at the part where he shrank the ESRAM to 20nm AFTER Xbox One did release.
edit: he works for AMD, yes
Obliterator
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Its certainly interesting to say the least. Lots of description in there to as to what he was involved with in this GPU.
It could be just Polaris. But it could be an Xbox related processor as well
I wonder if anyone has interest (DF, hello?) to disassemble a current model Xbox One and see if the die is already smaller than when it was released.
I also would like to know if power usage has gotten less - the interest seems to be in PS4 only while I think that it should also apply to the Bone.
Cynn
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Using the same technology for 10 years is helping invention and technological breakthrough... But making new technology isn't?
Huh.
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