It's a good idea but I think it will be too much work for a very specific user case, at least for the cloud. Maybe it's more doable with a local (but hidden in background) synchronization between your devices. No need to go in the cloud for this, if we assume your handheld stays with you.
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RUMOR: NX more powerful than PS4, Splatoon/Mario Maker ports in development
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It's a good idea but I think it will be too much work for a very specific user case, at least for the cloud. Maybe it's more doable with a local (but hidden in background) synchronization between your devices. No need to go in the cloud for this, if we assume your handheld stays with you.
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I know this has been brought up before, but would it be possible that the handheld iteration would be a system which:
- Has its own library of titles, which the console itself can also play;
- But has Remote Play functionality as well, so that you could play the console titles with a WiFi connection?
At the same time, smaller/indie titles are entirely cross compatible, this providing a shared library which doesnt compromise the home titles?
A kind of best of all words scenario?
- Has its own library of titles, which the console itself can also play;
- But has Remote Play functionality as well, so that you could play the console titles with a WiFi connection?
At the same time, smaller/indie titles are entirely cross compatible, this providing a shared library which doesnt compromise the home titles?
A kind of best of all words scenario?
fabricated backlash
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That would be my dream scenario. Basically makes one platform with more options to play the content on.
Hero of Legend
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I feel this controller is a bad idea if it's even close to being true. The GamePad was very expensive and clearly it didn't exactly really help Wii U now did it?
I agree they should just do this with the handheld. Honestly there should be no reason to do the controller, unless it's optional.
Like maybe one box comes with a standard controller for $299, and a second premium one comes with the screen controller for $399. Said controller can be bought on its own for $100 or more.
This way it's not forced upon consumers, but devs are required to make this remote play function a standard (shouldn't be hard). Hopefully local like Wii U and online like PS4 so you have both options.
As for anything control-wise, I dunno. Maybe devs can be allowed to use 2nd screen controls if they feel the need to? That sounds bad as it'd be telling people "you need to buy a $100 controller to play this game".
Now if this is also done with the handheld, then that's a much better pill to swallow. But honestly Nintendo should NOT give people a "cheaper" option in place of just getting the handheld itself, kind of self-competition no?
I agree they should just do this with the handheld. Honestly there should be no reason to do the controller, unless it's optional.
Like maybe one box comes with a standard controller for $299, and a second premium one comes with the screen controller for $399. Said controller can be bought on its own for $100 or more.
This way it's not forced upon consumers, but devs are required to make this remote play function a standard (shouldn't be hard). Hopefully local like Wii U and online like PS4 so you have both options.
As for anything control-wise, I dunno. Maybe devs can be allowed to use 2nd screen controls if they feel the need to? That sounds bad as it'd be telling people "you need to buy a $100 controller to play this game".
Now if this is also done with the handheld, then that's a much better pill to swallow. But honestly Nintendo should NOT give people a "cheaper" option in place of just getting the handheld itself, kind of self-competition no?
and add N64 F-Zero style music to that.
Milly Osworth
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If the NX has a similar controller to wiiu, then RIP NX.
The controller was a bit too expensive but not the main issue with the wii u. The main issue was its lineup of software, especially for launch year. That should ve solved with unified divisons.
No I posted the same thing a few days ago, and I think this may be the best solution too.
And this is a perfectly viable answer to NX "new concept", with a new way on how the handheld and home console could operate together.
This is true for the the gamedata, but saves should be cloudbased. Synchronising, or downloading, game data while the handheld is in its charging dock, should be a one time thing after purchasing a new game, but saves are everevolving and downloading them should be a quick and painless affair, instantly if possible.
I always used the Pro controller anyway, which was excellent.
And which generation did nintendo created the same controller again as the previous one?
If they have some new gimmick coming up, then they should make it optional.
Let the people decide if they want to try out that weird new stuff. If the response is good you can always release a revision where it is Integrated.
Like, I enjoy the Gamepad, but I don't like that it has been forced upon me because I bought the console.
Let the people decide if they want to try out that weird new stuff. If the response is good you can always release a revision where it is Integrated.
Like, I enjoy the Gamepad, but I don't like that it has been forced upon me because I bought the console.
That would split the userbase and likely give developers little to no incentives to exploit it.
Think about the Wii: I don't really think it would have been as successful if the wiimote wasn't bundled.
Captain Smoker
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That's not the main issue with the Wii U.
- Marketing
- Branding
- Games
- Mind Share
This is the point where it failed.
Regarding the controller: Nintendo usually incorporates the new tech of the old controllers, but it probably won't be similar in it's design.
Yes saves are a whole other topic, I was refering to the standby/quick resume mode.
Saves can be a bit difficult to handle, with sometimes sensible data (for example the available, paid DLC). This is another topic Nintendo starts from basically nothing, so I don't expect very much for now. If cloud saves arrive, it will certainly not be a day one feature.
Hell, folders could very much not be a day one feature...
That kind of data is more suited to be tied to a NNID / Nintendo Account I think.
Well, if the new gimmick is a supplemental computing device, it likely will be an option for later and adds additional computational power to the system and a local cloud.
Hero of Legend
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How on earth would this Supplemental Computing Device even work?
Captain Smoker
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I'll never understand why people are so conservative in this regard.
We'd still play with NES-controllers with this mentality.
The Wiimote-idea (or first mainstream execution of an old idea) is going to be a crucial part in future Virtual Reality control-schemes for example.
This "gimmick"-talk is getting somewhat annoying to me.
But I understand that people (and you) won't like all stuff getting thrown at them (just like me), but doing always the same isn't the answer, we'd still be in gaming stone-age.
Dark Cloud
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You plug it into the back of you neck and it'll take you to Nintendo virtual world! Lol
Attaches to the console and can be daisy-chained with others according to the patent.
Here's the patent thread http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1150086
It's really neat and I hope that Nintendo does it. It is by far one of the best things they've come up with to tackle the short comings of console by adding additional power to the system as a supplemental device.
Think of the RAM upgrade in the N64 but much better.
Dark Cloud
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The SCD is the best thing ever. Make a cheap $200-$250 console. Sell SCD separately for those who want more power.
Well if NX GPU was 40% more powerful than PS4's GPU that would put PS4k at 40% more powerful than NX.
That's assuming its correct that PS4k's GPU is 2x PS4.
Could 40% be described as marginal and close?, I suppose.
I'd much rather have a gamepad with a smaller screen and the shape of a regular controller than something like ds4 or pro controller, but i'd be ok with a standard one too. My concerns are about other things.
The problem with his reasoning is that the PS4 is not a powerhouse by any stretch of the imagination, and neither would be an NX that beats it by... not that much (which is what 10k and geek are telling us). So even if it's true that he spoke to an NX engineer (which i doubt tbh) i really don't see this report contradicting 10k's rumors or what lcgeek heard.
Not only that, but he then talks about this new thing that N is trying to do, something that has never been done before, and he suggests the hybrid concept ("a console that is part home and part handheld"), which would reinforce his idea of a console below PS4 for obvious reasons. So yeah, he doesn't know shit like the rest of us and that was just his guess based on the comments he heard, probably because he thinks that the PS4 is a monster.
Have you heard the podcast? He says that he spoke to some engineers working on the NX and they told him that it's not going to be weak by any means, but not a powerhouse either. He added that they were very vague because they weren't supposed to say anything, but "not being on par with ps4" sounds very specific, so when he said that it was his take on what he had been told, not something that the engineers told him.
The problem with his reasoning is that the PS4 is not a powerhouse by any stretch of the imagination, and neither would be an NX that beats it by... not that much (which is what 10k and geek are telling us). So even if it's true that he spoke to an NX engineer (which i doubt tbh) i really don't see this report contradicting 10k's rumors or what lcgeek heard.
Not only that, but he then talks about this new thing that N is trying to do, something that has never been done before, and he suggests the hybrid concept ("a console that is part home and part handheld"), which would reinforce his idea of a console below PS4 for obvious reasons. So yeah, he doesn't know shit like the rest of us and that was just his guess based on the comments he heard, probably because he thinks that the PS4 is a monster.
Ps4 gpu is 40% faster than xb1, and 10k said the difference is going to be less than that. I think the CPU will be around 25-30% stronger and the gpu will be 2tflops max, which would make for a better, more balanced and slightly more powerful console than what sony has. Nintendo games on something like this would look beyond insane, think about Capitan Todd 2.
Milly Osworth
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Not THE main, but a big one. The Gamepad is intimidating looking, expensive and in general useless for new gameplay ideas. Proof is the lack of games that make you think "Wow, thanks Gamepad!"
Plus it's a bad concept in general, looking back and forth between your hands and a screen in front of you, it just doesn't work.
That just sounds like a wii u gamepad with vita remote play instead of the latency free solution it's currently using. I hope the rumor is wrong or is missing some vital information.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not using gimmick in a negative sense, but rather because I know no other way to put it.
Also, I'm not suggesting this because "change is bad" but rather because I realized that sometimes having options would be nice.
I supported every new thing Nintendo did up to the 3DS, simply because I love messing with new tech, but when the WiiU came I found myself asking "do I really need that? Isn't there another option?"
I don't know what will be the main thing about the NX, but the WiiU proved to me that there's the possibility that I may not like it. But I don't want to miss out on Nintendo games.
With is why I was proposing this.
I support technological evolution, but sometimes I just want to play my favorite games, and I don't like the thought of paying a "technology tax" in some instances when I'm just currently not interested in said new technology :/
Captain Smoker
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Ok, I understand that.
The "gimmick"-word just hit me because it's used in a negative sense and so often that I can't hear it anymore.
I'm just speculating on what situation could match a description of NX being marginally more powerful than PS4 yet close to PS4k in GPU performance. But out of interest could you point me to where 10k said that about NX vs XBox One GPU because I missed that.
Milly Osworth
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I just hope Nintendo keeps it simple. They should go for something similar to PS4: a console for videogames, nothing more, nothing less.
Innovate with gameplay, not controllers or weird gimmicks.
Innovate with gameplay, not controllers or weird gimmicks.
I don't think its that black & white at all. The problem with WiiU was that the cost of implementing the Gamepad (R&D) obviously inhibited the hardware budget for the console (well, it's assumed anyway). The technology is already there for NX so the cost of another Gamepad will likely not have as much of an impact on the rest of the console design. We also can't count out Nintendo finally accepting they need to eat some of that cost themselves.
Having said that, I think it will be a hard sell if the "Gamepad+" (as I'm already calling it) is the focus of the console. The potential backlash from consumers/media, who would make the immediate assumption that Nintendo are doubling down on a failed concept, could be catastrophic for NX marketing.
My hope is that it's either an optional extra, or the rumours of remote play are actually related to the handheld (which will talk to the NX a la PS Remote Play) and NX standard controller will be more conventional.
Nintendo should stick to what they do best. Making damn good video games (mostly)
The only way it makes sense is if the source is comparing PS4K to a normal generational leap. If the difference between PS4K and PS4 is 100%, and NX>PS4, the difference between the two new machines will be something comparable to a mid range GPU to a high end one, and obviously much, much, much smaller than something like Wii U vs PS4 (or worse, Wii vs PS3). But there will still be a notable difference, at least on paper (then it's up to devs to use that extra power). Otherwise it doesn't make particular sense.
Took me a while, but here:
So you're saying you wish they didn't add the d-pad, analogue stick, diamond button formation and shoulder buttons to the console gaming world?..they should have stuck to what everyone else had done before?
You don't want the scroll wheel shoulder buttons they patented either?
Wait, really? I'm still waking up... 😪 I don't know what to believe.
For Twilight Princess, not for OoT3D. At least that's how I understood
You'd be surprised at how small a 2x difference actually is. I think a lot of people with lofty dreams of PS4k aren't going to walk away as impressed as they hope. I'd go as far as saying that making the focus of PS4k 1080p60 for AAA games would add more value than touching up visuals a bit. Case in point: how many people can actually tell the difference between high and ultra in most games? Or even medium and ultra? And I mean without a side-by-side comparison. Almost anyone can feel faster frame rates, though. Likewise, NX ports should (and likely will) focus on just matching PS4 visuals with a locked frame rate, at least for 1080p PS4 games.
I've been thinking for a while that NX at 50% faster than PS4 for $350 might be sweet spot of sorts. That would make the difference between NX and PS4k just a tiny but bigger than the difference between XBone and PS4 (at least on paper). I'm not sure if "marginally" works for the PS4->NX case though.
Not to be a broken record, but I'm still skeptical Nintendo would ever make a second screen non-proprietary device their primary control method on a game.
I don't think Nintendo would make you buy a handheld to play SMM, I agree. But, I don't think it'd come to the system at all of the default way to play was with a clunky control scheme. Further fuel for the built-in screen idea perhaps. It doesn't have to be GamePad 2.0.
Personally, that would make a lot of sense to me.
I see what you mean, but I'm honestly unsure if this would seem like a new enough concept to draw much appeal. It's essentially a refined version of the Wii U for people who have both devices. I think there would have to be more to it in order for it to grab people.
To be fair, it could offer latency free gameplay when you're in range of the home console and WiFi streaming otherwise. That'd be a step up I suppose.
Remember SCD the patents specifically mention being able to tap into systems or servers other than your home console so in theory you always have an ideal connection. Pair this with a partnership to get 4G on a major wireless carrier and the device would never be in a situation where latency would be an issue.
Don't forget Nintendo's insane hardware shipment predictions they are somehow planning to have this in millions of homes in the first year. There's going to be some kind of insane push here.
Another idea that I thought of: Nintendo could make and app and some sort of connection that allows a phone to be used as a screen with the controller. Kind of a long shot, but it meshes with other rumors and is the perfect way to keep the price down while ensuring that pretty much everyone will have a screen of some sort.
What kind of dump are we talking about here? A garbage dump or... D:
Wasn't there a rumor about someone working on the OS and it having Project Fi drivers or something like that?
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Technically, could work. But i'm sure that you're with me on this, i can't see Nintendo paying for this, and it would be suicidal for them if this translates into a monthly paywall for the system.
Boy Wander
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I don't normally get hyped for hardware launches too much but fuck me I'm checking into this thread too often. The thirst is real!!!
Milly Osworth
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You know what I mean.
Improving the controller is always welcome, but over the past 30 years the controller evolved into the PS4/X1/WIIU Pro controller. It can still be improved, but we don't need some radical change where you put the controller in your ear or something.
SlipperyFishes
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Overly complicated for a console audience, and you only need look at the 3G Vita to see why that would never happen (what was it even useful for?) Sure 4G carries more data but you'd need a massive allowance to make any use of streaking data.
Depends on how much a month and if the system worked on Wifi. If it works on Wifi then it's not really a paywall as much as paying for an extra convenience.
I hadn't heard anything about it but someone above mentioned project Fi drivers on a devkit. I actually am on project Fi and it works by automatically connecting to any open Wifi hotspots and encrypting data when it can I use under 1GB (usually around 600MB) per month with this on my phone despite heavy use. This keeps data cost down and you only pay $10 per GB on Fi (with unused being applied to your next bill). It also uses both T-Mobile and Sprints networks and intelligently switches between them to maintain the best connection.
Depends on how difficult it is to set up (or if there even is one at all). A partnership with a good carrier on top of simple setup and the end user may not even see it it would just work when you turn it on. (think T-Mobile's free tablet 4g deals). The 3G on Vita was with one of the (sometimes the worst depending on the year they did the polling) wireless carrier from a customer service and setup standpoint that you can get on.
No kidding! I never heard that about Wind Waker 2!
The_Lump had NEX (I like this one!), Nintendo X, and ZEN. (Nice!) I also like plain old "Nintendo," especially in light of how they want everyone to game all over the place. Nice opportunity for everyone to just "play Nintendo" again. Nintendo 7 is good too!
Their naming conventions are kind of all over the place. Wii was supposed to be about bringing people together in their living rooms again, but DS and 3DS are just about what the machine has/can do. They do like a pretty short system name though. I was thinking Switch if it has touchscreen buttons that can change (maybe even layouts), much less you can play your games on different devices with the shared library.
Regarding the SCD stuff, it is pretty neat to think about. I think they may start small first and have proprietary technology (their handheld, a tablet, etc.) be able to do some basic things and relieve some work on the hardware before jumping in whole hog with dedicated boxes for lots of extra power. It's also interesting thinking about how this could be done remotely too!
I'm thinking they'll look to doing this, or at least things like it (I'm still wondering if they'll do a small tablet given ideas they've thrown out in patents that I've posted before). They wouldn't need a full-on dedicated handheld, but they could provide shells or whatever that could change the vision for what handhelds are. Provide the ability to do mirroring from the NX to this (using Wii U type technology) and you have a really powerful handheld now! I almost wonder if the SCD things can work for something portable too, like their own handheld/tablet, that is constantly being moved around, especially since power can be drawn remotely!
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