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Angry Joe Quantum Break Review.

Eggbok

Member
Some of you seem more upset about Joe being popular and having a following than you are about Quantum Break. Y'all claim to dislike him, then tune into his stream, claim you watch his videos and then just rag on him. If you don't like him, you don't have to watch.

Reminds me of the PewdiePie threads tbh.
 

leeh

Member
I just rewatched, he says, 'It totally sucks. Seriously, don't play it'.

I class that as hyperbole. I don't think me saying that you should give it a try at least, is the same.
I went to watch this review due to this thread, got to that part, which is literally the first part of the review and turned it off. Not a fan of that, completely agree with you.

I'd say this game is a 6.5 for me. I like the story, like the concept of the TV show and the junctions, although the game just feels empty and you find most of your time is spent reading emails.
 
I went to watch this review due to this thread, got to that part, which is literally the first part of the review and turned it off. Not a fan of that, completely agree with you.

I'd say this game is a 6.5 for me. I like the story, like the concept of the TV show and the junctions, although the game just feels empty and you find most of your time is spent reading emails.
He ultimately recommends the game.
At a discount
. I'm not sure why he says its trash at the beginning, because at the end he says its average.
 

FuturusX

Member
I went to watch this review due to this thread, got to that part, which is literally the first part of the review and turned it off. Not a fan of that, completely agree with you.

I'd say this game is a 6.5 for me. I like the story, like the concept of the TV show and the junctions, although the game just feels empty and you find most of your time is spent reading emails.

That sounds...terrible.
 

Chobel

Member
Polarizing game. Reviewers have an incentive to give negative reviews though. They seem to get the most attention and clicks. Once a big site like Gamespot or IGN gives a negative review that tends to provide cover for everyone else to do same. End of the day its just another persons opinion.

LMFAO!
 

Shin-Ra

Junior Member
Not sure but every thing about this game has screamed bland to me.

Even the actor looks so boring and bland.

Hopefully we get Alan wake 2 one day. Now that game had great atmosphere.
The original dude had a much more interesting face for JJ.

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I just rewatched, he says, 'It totally sucks. Seriously, don't play it'.

I class that as hyperbole. I don't think me saying that you should give it a try at least, is the same.

You don't see how 'You should play it" and "You should not play it" are equal statements? If anything, telling someone to try it would be a tougher statement to justify since it requires a financial commitment.
 

leeh

Member
That sounds...terrible.
It really is tbh. Even the plot points you find during the reading of those emails don't even get acknowledged by Jack. For example, in Act 3 you learn something during the middle through emails which he finds out at the end of the Act and acts all confused. I was playing it like, "You read the bloody email Jack!".

My friends opinion on it was that he felt like they had a good idea for a TV show and a plot, then created the show and attached a game to it along the way. It does feel like the game is slightly taped on from my point of view. To be honest, even the battles for me feel like a chore. It wasn't for me, as you can tell.

The time powers & effects with the stutters you get through the game, simply amazing.
 

Salz01

Member
I agree with Joe and the score. I actually think he went easy on the game. The graphics/ image quality is horrendous. I bought it digital, but this is definitely a rentable game.
 

Matt

Member
Polarizing game. Reviewers have an incentive to give negative reviews though. They seem to get the most attention and clicks. Once a big site like Gamespot or IGN gives a negative review that tends to provide cover for everyone else to do same. End of the day its just another persons opinion.
This is, by far, one of the worst, most immature opinions permeating gaming today.
 
Thanks for posting, I don't visit Youtube that often so its pretty much the only way I catch AJ and a few other reviewers I like. I love his little costume shtick stuff.

I wish I could play this, I bought a PC code for $15 but since my monitor is gSync the game is 1 fps until the may windows patch.
 

SomTervo

Member
The original dude had a much more interesting face for JJ.

God, yeah he did.

Ashmore is still OK, but the original guy was so much more distinctive and he had a lot more energy/force to his voice. That video where he is seen and he's shouting 'Fuck!' always hit me hard as legit as-good-as-May-Payne VA.

Ashmore is still good, but... Not as good. Just slightly too beige.

Pippin is great, though! Even his voice is excellent!

I'd say this game is a 6.5 for me. I like the story, like the concept of the TV show and the junctions, although the game just feels empty and you find most of your time is spent reading emails.

I think it's the least empty feeling Remedy game since Max Payne 2. The world has personality and even though some of the emails are too long they feel pretty alive. The stuttered time memories and audio 'logs' are good, too, along with Jack and the woman's narration over the top.

I think the TV show stuff isn't well paced, though. I don't look forward to sitting still watching something for 20 minutes when the gameplay is so fun and seamless.

The story itself is surprisingly good - Remedy's best, again, since Max Payne 2. An 8/10 for me atm.
 

Eggbok

Member
I agree with Joe and the score. I actually think he went easy on the game. The graphics/ image quality is horrendous. I bought it digital, but this is definitely a rentable game.

I was watching his playthrough of it and that's like literally one of the first things he comments on. He had OJ looking to see if he could turn off the blur.
 

timlot

Banned
Well of course it's for the hits! He couldn't have just not enjoyed the game right? Rabid.

I never mention Joe in particular in my comment, but I will add I watch him and some other guy playing Quantum Break on Twitch last week. They were doing nothing but joking around and horse playing with each other. They would play for a few minutes then stop and laugh at each other about something and woohoo for every new subscriber that popped up. So my take on his review is skewed by what I saw. Having said all that its his opinion.
 

Chobel

Member
I just rewatched, he says, 'It totally sucks. Seriously, don't play it'.

I class that as hyperbole. I don't think me saying that you should give it a try at least, is the same.

First of all, AJ always does these funny introductions before starting the review.

Second, he was talking to himself (past self).

Third, Don't buy is common thing to say when reviewing products.

Although I never mention Joe in particular in my comment, but I will add I watch him and some other guy playing Quantum Break on Twitch last week. They were doing nothing but joking around and horse playing with each other. They would play for a few minutes then stop and laugh at each other about something and woohoo for every new subscriber that popped up. So my take on his review is skewed by what I saw. Having said all that its one mans salt.

FTFY.
 

TLZ

Banned
Pretty poor review, weighed down by an enormous amount of hyperbole. Nothing out of the ordinary or unexpected from someone whose main selling point is being angry in video.

Not sure why this one deserved its own thread, and wasn't posted on the review thread, mind you.

Why are you angry?

He's made a 30+minute thorough video. It's far from poor.

Can you show us yours?
 
The amount of people in here saying "He's doing it just for clicks" or "He rushed it out!" when his reviews show up TWO WEEKS after release is simply staggering. Whether you like him or not or agree with his scores or not we are lucky to have some one out there that gives a damn enough about this medium to NOT give a shoddy rushed review.

Then people go and accuse him of it anyways.

Simply unbelievable.
 

moggio

Banned
Just watched the review and I agree with pretty much everything he says from what I played of the game.

Well, apart from the bit where he suggests Alan Wake was a good game. That's a sack of shite too.

It seems that bad writing, bad narrative structure and bad, repetitive third-person action is something Remedy have specialised in.
 

nynt9

Member
I just rewatched, he says, 'It totally sucks. Seriously, don't play it'.

I class that as hyperbole. I don't think me saying that you should give it a try at least, is the same.

Maybe respond to the actual review content instead of the comedy skit in the beginning?
 

Gestault

Member
I'm noticing responses to reasonably postured points/counterpoints with "why are you mad" or "did he hurt your feelings" as the only substance. That sounds a lot like vapid dismissal that's counter to useful discussion.
 
I'm noticing responses to reasonably postured points/counterpoints with "why are you mad" or "did he hurt your feelings" as the only substance. That sounds a lot like vapid dismissal that's counter to useful discussion.

There are posters who have literally said that his review upset them.

Because some folks -myself included- can get really invested in a game experience and really dig it. To have someone come and say that the game sucked can be perceived as an attack.

I'll give you a different example, I love all things rap/hip-hop. In class, back in 2012 the professor encourages a discussion of music and different types. I had this one dude just crap all over rap and what it stood for etc.

I felt offended, I thought he was crapping on my culture and the music that I like.

Same goes for games. I played Quantum Break and although it certainly had its faults I enjoyed the narrative which is what kept me going until the end.

By no means am I saying Joe can't have his say, of course he can. I'm just tryna explain why some folks may get upset.
 

barit

Member
lmao other Joe sleeps with his arms folded.
So I feel like his point about the controller falling asleep is dumb. If they kept the controller awake some critic would probably moan that it's wasting battery life. Just say the cut scenes are long and move on.

Well, no game should force their players to watch a 20min+ cutscene so they can follow the story. It's not a good design choice. Even Kojima got many criticism for his super asslong cutscenes in MGS. A good way (like he mentioned in his review) would be to tell the story through gameplay. For example the car chase scene: Why can't you play this shit but must rather watch it as live scene? There are other ways to tell a story without taking the control from the player away like ND did with TLOU and the random conversations which pops up from time to time.
 

leeh

Member
I think it's the least empty feeling Remedy game since Max Payne 2. The world has personality and even though some of the emails are too long they feel pretty alive. The stuttered time memories and audio 'logs' are good, too, along with Jack and the woman's narration over the top.

I think the TV show stuff isn't well paced, though. I don't look forward to sitting still watching something for 20 minutes when the gameplay is so fun and seamless.

The story itself is surprisingly good - Remedy's best, again, since Max Payne 2. An 8/10 for me atm.
Honestly, I'm glad you enjoy it so much. Personally I think with the lack of time I have and with how busy I am, I need a game to really come out and grab me to give me the desire to carry on playing it. Witcher 3 really did that for me and most recently Division, although at the endgame of Division I completely fell out with it.

When I'm walking around in a beautiful world with a well crafted story, I don't really like the masses of collectibles which involve the amount of reading it does. I know that sounds really pedantic and shallow, but I just loose the lack of drive to play the game. The game play its self becomes quite repetitive, and with the large proportion of the game being collectibles and story development, I think it simply dwarves any of the actual game, especially when I don't find the gameplay to keep fresh and fun.
 

nynt9

Member
I'm noticing responses to reasonably postured points/counterpoints with "why are you mad" or "did he hurt your feelings" as the only substance. That sounds a lot like vapid dismissal that's counter to useful discussion.

How are "he said something on Twitter" "angry is his shtick, it's just hyperbole" reasonably postured points? Those are the posts I'm seeing getting that type of response.

I've noticed that a lot of junior members seem to really love QB, if all the threads I've participated in showed me anything. Some of those are pretty dismissive of Joe as well. Not trying to discredit posters based on their status, but it is a pretty interesting phenomenon. Seems like the game is bringing a lot of new people into gaf!
 
Do you think I might have been referencing responses different from those cases?

I'd like to think so, but I was just pointing out that your blanket statement includes situations where it's an appropriate response. Unless you can point out a specific post where someone posted that in response to something valid?
 

dt2

Banned
How are "he said something on Twitter" "angry is his shtick, it's just hyperbole" reasonably postured points? Those are the posts I'm seeing getting that type of response.

I've noticed that a lot of junior members seem to really love QB, if all the threads I've participated in showed me anything. Some of those are pretty dismissive of Joe as well. Not trying to discredit posters based on their status, but it is a pretty interesting phenomenon. Seems like the game is bringing a lot of new people into gaf!

It shouldn't be a surprise that many people love the game. The game holds a 77 with 70 positive reviews on metacritic so the response has been mostly positive.

Well, no game should force their players to watch a 20min+ cutscene so they can follow the story. It's not a good design choice. Even Kojima got many criticism for his super asslong cutscenes in MGS. A good way (like he mentioned in his review) would be to tell the story through gameplay. For example the car chase scene: Why can't you play this shit but must rather watch it as live scene? There are other ways to tell a story without taking the control from the player away like ND did with TLOU and the random conversations which pops up from time to time.

You can skip the cutscenes if you want. They are not necessary to understand the main story but are there to further flesh out the secondary characters and add more overall background.
 

TheKeyPit

Banned
That's using a single power twice to do something that has no relevance in combat.

By creative you really mean just do something completely unnecessary.

It's not about it looking "super cool", it's about popping the same ability twice that adds nothing to the combat.

Pls tell me, if this does more damage than a single time stop.

I noticed two things in this:

1) That was unnecessary.
2) The floating top cone vanishes whenever the 2nd bubble disappears.

2) Do you know that objects snap back to their previous state/place when being moved in a stutter? I guess NO. Look closely where it moves.
 

DeepEnigma

Gold Member
Well, no game should force their players to watch a 20min+ cutscene so they can follow the story. It's not a good design choice. Even Kojima got many criticism for his super asslong cutscenes in MGS. A good way (like he mentioned in his review) would be to tell the story through gameplay. For example the car chase scene: Why can't you play this shit but must rather watch it as live scene? There are other ways to tell a story without taking the control from the player away like ND did with TLOU and the random conversations which pops up from time to time.

Seems to fall in line with the original 'TV TV TV' push MSFT had pre-launch to the console. So the game is a side effect to it to blur the lines.
 

JP

Member
Can't watch it yet as I'm in work but I thought Quantum Break was supposed to be really good? That's the feeling I got from the previews.

I'll have to catch up with some reviews tonight.

Didn't really have any interest in the game simply because I've not enjoyed any of their games. I know I'm in the minority here but that's how they've all been for me. :(
 

papo

Member
Haven't seen it all, but I totally disagree with most of his views on the game.

First I get that the game had technical issues for him. that I understand, but that means the review, like the Arkham Knight one, will focus on this.

Second whenever Joe plays a story centric game and the story is not perfect, as in TLOU style of perfect, then he will totally crap on it for no good reason. Happens with his movie review too. So that is why I don't like/trust these kinds of reviews for him.

He is to cynical when it comes to story, anything other than prefect and he will crap on it. QB is a perfect Bmovie/Cheese/SciFi story and I like it a lot because of it, but a lot of people don't tolerate than and Joe is one of them.

Other than that it seems he has less quality in his reviews. He should not rush to do them. I know even this one is a bit late, but he is just one guy he should pace himself more.

edit: I also saw him play some bits where he used too much cover. I didn't see it through so I don't know if he got better or if he criticized cover/praised the powers. I'm curious. Any one can comment on that since I am at work?

Can't watch it yet as I'm in work but I thought Quantum Break was supposed to be really good? That's the feeling I got from the previews.

I'll have to catch up with some reviews tonight.

Didn't really have any interest in the game simply because I've not enjoyed any of their games. I know I'm in the minority here but that's how they've all been for me. :(

IMO it is a good game. It has a cheesy SciFi quality story that works if you are into that kind of stuff. The gameplay is fun, specially using the powers. Cover sucks, but it really isn't a cover shooter. It's not amazing, but it is a good and fun experience in line with other Remedy games.
 

shandy706

Member
That's using a single power twice to do something that has no relevance in combat.

By creative you really mean just do something completely unnecessary.

LOL, you're proving his point guys.

I used this same/similar technique to take out stacked enemies. Slow time with LB held to line up better. Time stop in front of first enemy, unload magazine. Slow time with LB held to line up better. Quick time stop in front of the other time stop, unload magazine.

First time stop collapses, barrage hits first enemy throwing him to the side and out of the way creating sight to the second enemy. Second time stop collapses sending second barage into second enemy who is now in the open after removing the first enemy.

(shrug)
 

Osahi

Member
It shouldn't be a surprise that many people love the game. The game holds a 77 with 70 positive reviews on metacritic so the response has been mostly positive.



You can skip the cutscenes if you want. They are not necessary to understand the main story but are there to further flesh out the secondary characters and add more overall background.

On metacritic a 75 is 'positive', on lot's of peoples minds it is not. There are less then 70 glowing reviews, with lots of scores in the 70ies of reviewers with fair criticism (I gave it 76 myself, and I didn't like the game all that much. But it has his merrits to warant that score, which in the scale my magazine uses is 'good game, with soms flaws that really hurt it')

And yes, you can skip the show and follow Jacks story pure on a plot-based level. But if you skip it some characters don't get a proper introduction and the whole junction-stuff doesn't make a lot of sense. It's clear that show and game form a single piece. (And the show could easily be replaced by cutscènes, could have cut out the hacker-story completely and gave us control over the action. There is nothing wrong with having a game that tells both sides of a story, it has been done before. I found the TV-part completely unnecairy and not an inovating form of interactive storytelling at all. The way Quantum Break handles it's story is pretty bad and old fashioned imo.
 
I'll never understand how people can get so worked up over someone's opinion of a video game.
It's very big thing especially when talking about exclusives. People from both "sides" come out from woodwork. Others defending the game and others "defending" the critic. Then often roles get flipped when other exclusive comes out.
 
There's a few folk in here who, because they have no experience with the stackability of the powers, have no idea how to really respond meaningfully to them in discussion.

That's cool, but you sort of look foolish talking about the features.
 
Angry Joe reviews are getting more and more eye-roll inducing. I liked the guy before but for the past year or so, I haven't agreed on most anything he has said.

So his reviews are fine as long as they align with yours, but when they don't it means he's getting worse? Seems perfectly reasonable.

People really need to get over this idea that a review or opinion that doesn't line up with yours is a bad review or opinion.
 

dt2

Banned
Seems to fall in line with the original 'TV TV TV' push MSFT had pre-launch to the console. So the game is a side effect to it to blur the lines.

This has always been Remedy's MO though. There definitely could be influence from Microsoft but I wouldn't be too surprised if this was how the game was intended to be to begin with. Max Payne used real photos for the environments and some of the actors. The story was told through comic book strips that depicted real actors as well. Alan Wake used real actors in some of the cutscenes and had "episodes" that were followed by intros and outros (complete with music). American Nightmare played out like an episode of the Twilight Zone (complete with ominous narrator) and used real actors as well. Remedy always seems to try to blend cinema with games.

Can't watch it yet as I'm in work but I thought Quantum Break was supposed to be really good? That's the feeling I got from the previews.

I'll have to catch up with some reviews tonight.

Didn't really have any interest in the game simply because I've not enjoyed any of their games. I know I'm in the minority here but that's how they've all been for me. :(

I really enjoyed it; the majority of reviews have been positive. Definitely watch his and look at others as well. If you didn't like past Remedy games then there's a strong chance you probably won't enjoy this as well since it has that distinct Remedy flavor. I'd at least rent it or try it if you know someone that owns it though.
 

Chris1

Member
Well, no game should force their players to watch a 20min+ cutscene so they can follow the story. It's not a good design choice. Even Kojima got many criticism for his super asslong cutscenes in MGS. A good way (like he mentioned in his review) would be to tell the story through gameplay. For example the car chase scene: Why can't you play this shit but must rather watch it as live scene? There are other ways to tell a story without taking the control from the player away like ND did with TLOU and the random conversations which pops up from time to time.

It doesn't fore you and actually asks if you'd like to skip it before watching.

All it does is show you the story from the perspective of the villain, you can skip it if you want.


I usually agree with Joe and while he raises some good points, he's so far off the mark on others and feels like he's just nitpicking the game to find something to bash about. Then that twitter comment.. Jesus Joe.
 

Alienous

Member
The episodes in Quantum Break are entirely skipable.

They focus mostly on a different set of characters who don't influence the main game much at all. It's just world building. For example and analogue for a game like the Last of Us might be an episode detailing Ish's story instead of notes - it helps to flesh out the world but it isn't integral to the plot at all.
 
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