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Dark/mean moments in The Simpsons: Those that worked, those that didn't

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Richie

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There's pleeeenty of moments in later seasons (even a few in the classic ones) that will qualify as moments that don't work. I'll comment on those myself later, but for now, let me start with two examples where I think the mean approach was for the better.

Gonna come out and say it: Homer's Enemy is a freaking masterpiece of dark comedy. The episode goes out of its way to make Frank Grimes' life a complete misery from beginning to end, rewarding Homer's idiocy and driving poor Grimey (as he liked to be called) to literal self-destruction. But it's not being mean just for the sake of it, it's a brilliant deconstruction of what life at Springfield would truly be like, what consequences would arise from actually co-existing with Homer Simpson, or worse, trying to mimic him. It's simultaneously one of the most brutal and hilarious half hours I've seen. Pure genius.

Now for a more recent one. Remember that contest where the winner would have their original character featured in the show? Said winner was Peggy Black, a lady who came up with the character Ricardo Bomba. In the woman's own words, he was to be "someone that all the women love and all the men want to be". Al Jean described the gesture as "a thank you to loyal fans" and teased making the character a regular. They sent Peggy to work with the animators, and she couldn't be more excited.

"I described the character and they drew him so I could see if that was my vision of him....It's amazing to see how they captured what I imagined. He's over the top."

The episode airs. Ricardo Bomba appears driving by a mountain side, and not ten seconds pass before he crashes his car into a cliff wall, causing it to explode. Just as he was about to finish his would-be catchphrase, too. That's it. Episode proceeds as normal. More than six years later, that's the first and last that was ever seen of Ricardo Bomba.

That's...that's really freaking mean to the lady who won the contest, after hyping up Bomba's introduction to the skies and making such a big deal out of it. By the exact same token, it was also hysterical. Easily my biggest laugh of an otherwise forgettable episode, hell, that whole season. I mean, you could argue Peggy was in on the joke from the beginning and was told to keep quiet not to ruin it, but I've yet to find any indication at all that this was the case. Closest thing to follow-up news in her reaction I've found lie on the comments of this article (which includes a clip that covers all of Bomba's screentime). Says this anonymous person:

"The local Fox station actually covered Peggy Black watching the show as it aired in a local bar. After all the initial fanfare, it got very quiet very quickly and they wrapped up that news segment."

Good one, Al Jean. Good one, you masterful dickhead.


Bring up moments of your own, fellow gaffers!
 
I just looked up that Ricardo Bomba clip.

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Hilarious.
 
Bart attempting to screw over Lisa in Summer of 4 Ft. 2 by showing her new friends that she's actually a nerd.

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This episode debuted when my family had just moved to a new town and I literally had no friends for an entire year despite my best efforts.

"Being myself didn't work. Being someone else didn't work. Maybe I just wasn't meant to have friends."

This line was absolutely heartbreaking to me.

It worked because not only did Bart admit to being wrong, it showed Lisa that all she could do is be herself. And while sometimes that won't get you what you want, other people will appreciate you for who you really are.
 
As for the thread:

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This scene always hits close to home for me. I wasn't very popular as a kid and Valentine's day was always a big reminder of that fact.
 
One of the very first ones involving that creepy babysitter. I remember that being pretty disturbing when I was young, not sure how it holds up now.
 
One of the very first ones involving that creepy babysitter. I remember that being pretty disturbing when I was young, not sure how it holds up now.

Some Enchanted Evening.

Yeah the episode has pretty dark humor throughout, with Ms. Botz being a burglar, tying up the kids, and the constant horror-themed cliches sprinkled throughout. It struck me as a Halloween episode before they began to do their trademark Treehouse of Horror series.

But then I read the wikipedia plot summary and remember how fucking genius the end of the episode is:

After tying up Ms. Botz, the kids find all their telephones disabled (which Ms. Botz had done earlier) and go to a nearby payphone to alert the authorities. Meanwhile, Marge tries to call home to check up on the kids but because there is no answer, she and Homer decide to cancel their motel reservation and go home. They find Ms. Botz bound and gagged in front of the TV. Homer, thinking his children have gotten the best of another babysitter and unaware of her true identity, frees her and pays her handsomely. After advising Homer to keep both eyes on Bart, Ms. Botz makes a clean getaway, just seconds before the kids arrive with the police and news media to arrest her. As Bart tries to lead the police to the house, Homer attempts to berate him for his behavior towards Ms. Botz, only to be informed by a news reporter about Ms. Botz's true identity and that he just freed her. Realizing his mistake, a humiliated Homer attempts to save face by claiming he fought Botz and she escaped, then warning her on camera never to show her face to him again. Later that night, Homer moans about his blunder on TV, but Marge cheers him up by saying that if he raised three children who can hogtie a perfect stranger, he must be doing something right.

The best. They don't write episodes like this anymore :(
 

Tapejara

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The first segment from Treehouse of Horror XXVI, "Wanted: Dead, then Alive." Sideshow Bob kills Bart, then takes his body home to his house to celebrate. It's completely unsettling.

Thankfully the preceding episode "Halloween of Horror" was so good that I can ignore this season's Treehouse of Horror.
 

vypek

Member
I was wondering what was up with that character dying right away. I didn't realize it was the result of a contest. I complete blanked on that lol

Also, at the end credits, he tried to say his catchphrase, but got shushed by the Gracie Films signature 'shush' lady.

Lol even better that he was once again denied the catchphrase
 

PSqueak

Banned
One that didn't work for me:

Don't remember what episode it is, but it opens with homer having a dream in which after an accident he Kills Euthanizes grandpa Abe for selfish reasons and wakes up saying he had a wonderful dream. It's mean spirited and horrible and devoid of humor.

Later i was told the scene was meant to parody one from The Soprano or some shit, but i fail to see how that makes it funny with no context or set up.
 

Sou Da

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The first segment from Treehouse of Horror XXVI, "Wanted: Dead, then Alive." Sideshow Bob kills Bart, then takes his body home to his house to celebrate. It's completely unsettling.

Thankfully the preceding episode "Halloween of Horror" was so good that I can ignore this season's Treehouse of Horror.

Yeah Bob kept re-animating and killing him. That was pretty dark but worked well for me.
 
There's an episode where Marge starts working for the plant and is crushed on by Mr. Burns. He shows her cc video of employees and one is drinking, one crying, and one is cleaning a shotgun saying "I am the angel of death. The time of purification is at hand." Marge suggests hats to boost morale. Later we see everyone in hats, one drinking, one crying, and the shotgunner smiling before exiting the frame. Its still pretty funny but horrifying at the same time these days.
 

catmincer

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There's an episode where Marge starts working for the plant and is crushed on by Mr. Burns. He shows her cc video of employees and one is drinking, one crying, and one is cleaning a shotgun saying "I am the angel of death. The time of purification is at hand." Marge suggests hats to boost morale. Later we see everyone in hats, one drinking, one crying, and the shotgunner smiling before exiting the frame. Its still pretty funny but horrifying at the same time these days.

I laugh uncontrollably at that scene every single time.
 

PSqueak

Banned
There's an episode where Marge starts working for the plant and is crushed on by Mr. Burns. He shows her cc video of employees and one is drinking, one crying, and one is cleaning a shotgun saying "I am the angel of death. The time of purification is at hand." Marge suggests hats to boost morale. Later we see everyone in hats, one drinking, one crying, and the shotgunner smiling before exiting the frame. Its still pretty funny but horrifying at the same time these days.

Man, i quote this all the time. Love tha scene to bits.


Remembered another bad one:

It's one of thos future episodes, only it starts in the present, with homer dying over something stupid...then getting cloned by Prof. Frink.
Then there is a long montage of homer dying over and over and over and OVER again until it's the future and Frink tells Marge they cannot clone more homers, so she has to settle with keeping his digitized mind/conciousness in an USB, to later get a robot body.

This is not a Halloween episode, all of this happens in a regular episode. Also i think in this very same episode they show Ralph and several clones of him dying too.
 

Manu

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The episode where Lisa is a babysitter and Bart is jealous. Maybe because I had similar experiences with my own brother when I was a kid, but Bart's attitude, breaking his arm, hitting his head on purpose, passing out... ugh. It wasn't funny at all to me. I fucking hate Bart on that episode. I felt terrible for Lisa.
 
The episode where Lisa is a babysitter and Bart is jealous. Maybe because I had similar experiences with my own brother when I was a kid, but Bart's attitude, breaking his arm, hitting his head on purpose, passing out... ugh. It wasn't funny at all to me. I fucking hate Bart on that episode. I felt terrible for Lisa.

Homer and Marge should never have put Lisa in that untenable position in the first place.
 
The episode where Lisa is a babysitter and Bart is jealous. Maybe because I had similar experiences with my own brother when I was a kid, but Bart's attitude, breaking his arm, hitting his head on purpose, passing out... ugh. It wasn't funny at all to me. I fucking hate Bart on that episode. I felt terrible for Lisa.

Yes,

That episode is probably the only episode from the Good Simpsons Seasons™ that I always skip. The story and jokes are all golden, yet the whole situation with Bart continuously pestering his sister is really off putting.
 

wbsmcs

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The episode where Bart accidently causes Martin to fall over a cliff and him and Lisa think they killed him.

It's a really sloppy done episode for what they were trying to show. Lisa descends into madness and discovering that there may be a monster inside her. The ceremony they do for Martin is also just ridiculous.
 

Syrinx

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There was one quote from "Lisa On Ice" where Bart wins his hockey game and so Homer gives him back his pet turtle "alive and well" that's a bit iffy for me personally.
 
Maude's death on the show was the fucking worst.

So mean spirited, and being that such an event was written during Mike Scully's tenure on the show, the tasteless "jokes" were in full blast.

The episode "Alone Again, Natura-Diddily" starts off with The Simpsons and The Flanders's in the bleachers at a racing event. Cheerleading mascots at the event try to give out free t-shirts via bazookas. Homer requests a t-shirt, but at the last moment ducks down due to seeing a coin on the floor, and the bazooka-fired shirt hits Maude behind him, pushing her off the high bleachers, and to her death on the ground below. Yes, Homer is actually responsible for Maude's death.

And it only gets worse from there.

At the funeral, the cheerleaders from the racing event are present, shooting t-shirts of Maude into the air, in memoriam, with the same goddamn bazookas that killed her.

After the funeral, a few of the town's characters "try" to console Ned, with the highlight being Moe commenting that if Ned had died instead of Maude, he'd definitely make advances on the widow.

Needless to say, Homer is the biggest asshole in this episode. He never feels remorse for his place in Maude's death, constantly craps on Flanders, and even fucking comments that had he never parked in the ambulance zone at the hospital where Maude was to be brought in, she might have lived.

By far one of the worst episodes of The Simpsons I've ever seen. Such an emotional premise with the potential to be touching or gut wrenching, ruined by low brow jokes and a lack of believable or likeable responses from many of the characters. Absolute trash.
 

Dice//

Banned
The episode where Lisa is a babysitter and Bart is jealous. Maybe because I had similar experiences with my own brother when I was a kid, but Bart's attitude, breaking his arm, hitting his head on purpose, passing out... ugh. It wasn't funny at all to me. I fucking hate Bart on that episode. I felt terrible for Lisa.

I never really enjoy the "comedy of errors/tragedies" either. Sort of why (sorry) I never really shine on Toy Story since the films are often one bad thing to escape from to another. Bart took his persona to an 11 and it wasn't a good watch.
 

Krejlooc

Banned
I hate the frank grimes episode of the simpsons, I don't see what people see in it. It's one of the first episodes that really painted Homer as a malicious blithering idiot, rather than a well-meaning (albeit lazy) bumbling fool like he was earlier in the series.
 

Shaanyboi

Banned
Man, I love all the dark shit in Simpsons' first 8-10 seasons.

I hate the frank grimes episode of the simpsons, I don't see what people see in it. It's one of the first episodes that really painted Homer as a malicious blithering idiot, rather than a well-meaning (albeit lazy) bumbling fool like he was earlier in the series.

It puts all the fantastical scenarios of the show and all of Homer's bizarre successes into a real-world context. The idea that this show has a character who has done all that Homer has, and faces him against a representation of reality that can't achieve even a fraction of that, and such a notion would drive any rational person... well, completely nuts. It's a fantastic episode.

Also,

"THEY'RE GONNA TAKE MY THUMBS!"

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BigDes

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The episode where Homer and Marge get the kids taken off them because a bunch of coincidences that make them look like child abusers.

It is an episode I can never rewatch because it just seems so mean
 

Krejlooc

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It puts all the fantastical scenarios of the show and all of Homer's bizarre successes into a real-world context. The idea that this show has a character who has done all that Homer has, and faces him against a representation of reality that can't achieve even a fraction of that, and such a notion would drive any rational person... well, completely nuts. It's a fantastic episode.

I don't agree. I feel like it pits the later (at the time) seasons of Homer against a real world anchor, not "all" of Homer's bizarre successes. Because, by that point, I had already started disliking the simpsons and what Homer had become, and the Grimes episode is an episode focusing entirely on how annoying of a character he'd become. It's like if Happy Days made an episode parodying the episode where they jumped the shark. Self aware? Sure. But entertaining? No, just give me more of the good stuff.

A perfect counter to the same concept done earlier in the show - the episode where "to pull a homer" is added to the dictionary. But homer isn't obnoxious in that episode.
 

Ushojax

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I don't agree. I feel like it pits the later (at the time) seasons of Homer against a real world anchor, not "all" of Homer's bizarre successes. Because, by that point, I had already started disliking the simpsons and what Homer had become, and the Grimes episode is an episode focusing entirely on how annoying of a character he'd become. It's like if Happy Days made an episode parodying the episode where they jumped the shark. Self aware? Sure. But entertaining? No, just give me more of the good stuff.

A perfect counter to the same concept done earlier in the show - the episode where "to pull a homer" is added to the dictionary. But homer isn't obnoxious in that episode.

You should really treat it as a meta episode, it's more like a Halloween special than a normal episode. Frank Grimes does not belong in the Simpsons world but that was intentional.
 

Krejlooc

Banned
You should really treat it as a meta episode, it's more like a Halloween special than a normal episode. Frank Grimes does not belong in the Simpsons world but that was intentional.

I get all the meta implications. It just isn't funny or entertaining. I feel like people get so caught up on how self aware the episode is that they give it a pass on being a genuinely unfunny, obnoxious episode. I outright don't find it entertaining, nor do I find a deconstruction of an obnoxious character that boils down to "obnoxious Homer is obnoxious" to be all that deep.
 

Kain

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Homer attempting suicide in front of Bart and Lisa. (The joke is that the tree branch breaks immediately and Homer fails, but the clip ends before showing that.)

Fuck this scene. Ugh.

Holy fuck, was typing exactly that and then I double-checked to see if some had posted it before. So yes, completely out of place and character, it's not funny and it makes no sense. Basically the Simpsons now.

Also Maude. I have to admit there is something very funny in Homer "killing" Maude, but that whole episode just felt WRONG.

The Simpons have been shit for 15 years or more.
 

AniHawk

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There was one quote from "Lisa On Ice" where Bart wins his hockey game and so Homer gives him back his pet turtle "alive and well" that's a bit iffy for me personally.

i love this episode. homer is consistently a huge asshole on just about everything. the scene where he non-verbally threatens bart with violence still cracks me up.

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AniHawk

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I get all the meta implications. It just isn't funny or entertaining. I feel like people get so caught up on how self aware the episode is that they give it a pass on being a genuinely unfunny, obnoxious episode. I outright don't find it entertaining, nor do I find a deconstruction of an obnoxious character that boils down to "obnoxious Homer is obnoxious" to be all that deep.

i never saw homer as an intentional asshole though. he's trying to be welcoming to frank grimes and is oblivious to his own obnoxiousness. i always thought homer was actually fairly kind to frank in that episode in how much he wanted to win him over and prove himself. if it was full-asshole 'lisa on ice' homer, then it wouldn't be nearly as funny when homer accidentally backs his car into grimey's and frank breaks his laughter with 'oh god!'
 

dh4niel

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The episode where Lisa is a babysitter and Bart is jealous. Maybe because I had similar experiences with my own brother when I was a kid, but Bart's attitude, breaking his arm, hitting his head on purpose, passing out... ugh. It wasn't funny at all to me. I fucking hate Bart on that episode. I felt terrible for Lisa.

I still remember that episode. Bart was such a little shit.
 

Krejlooc

Banned
i never saw homer as an intentional asshole though. he's trying to be welcoming to frank grimes and is oblivious to his own obnoxiousness. i always thought homer was actually fairly kind to frank in that episode in how much he wanted to win him over and prove himself. if it was full-asshole 'lisa on ice' homer, then it wouldn't be nearly as funny when homer accidentally backs his car into grimey's and frank breaks his laughter with 'oh god!'

it's not so much that he's an intentional asshole, it's that he's a blithering idiot by that point. Literally. There is a scene where he walks around blithering.

This is a stark contrast to the Homer of earlier seasons. He used to be lazy, kind of dim witted, but geniunely compassionate. Compare the way Homer acts at frank grimes funeral (sleeping and drooling and talking in his sleep), who he supposedly considered a friend, to the way he acted at bleeding gums murphy's funeral, where his moment of poor compassion ("I won't rest until I get a hot dog!") is said in the background, away from the action.

By the time the frank grimes episode happened, they had completely changed the way they wrote homer, for the worse. And the frank grimes episode entirely focuses on this change.

The frank grimes episode seems to focus on rage humor, which I don't find funny at all. It's like those lets plays where people play shitty games and scream at the camera like they're writhing in pain. I just don't find that funny. Taking a shitty, obnoxious character and putting him up against a normal human being and having the normal human being scream and writhe in pain at how shitty and obnoxious he is isn't funny to me.
 

AniHawk

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i thought earlier parts of the simpsons where it would get dark were worse than later moments. i don't actually care much about post-season 10, so stuff like homer hanging himself or being glad about killing grandpa doesn't matter much. i guess that means they don't work, but i don't think it's because of the meanness.

the actual mean stuff happened when you could still care about the characters. probably the one that kind of doesn't work for me is homer replying to lisa saying 'i knew you wouldn't understand' in 'lisa's substitute' with 'just because i don't care doesn't mean i don't understand.' and homer acts oblivious to how hurtful the comment was to his eight year old daughter. it's super mean and i don't think it hits the right mark.
 

AniHawk

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it's not so much that he's an intentional asshole, it's that he's a blithering idiot by that point. Literally. There is a scene where he walks around blithering.

This is a stark contrast to the Homer of earlier seasons. He used to be lazy, kind of dim witted, but geniunely compassionate. Compare the way Homer acts at frank grimes funeral (sleeping and drooling and talking in his sleep), who he supposedly considered a friend, to the way he acted at bleeding gums murphy's funeral, where his moment of poor compassion ("I won't rest until I get a hot dog!") is said in the background, away from the action.

By the time the frank grimes episode happened, they had completely changed the way they wrote homer, for the worse. And the frank grimes episode entirely focuses on this change.

The frank grimes episode seems to focus on rage humor, which I don't find funny at all. It's like those lets plays where people play shitty games and scream at the camera like they're writhing in pain. I just don't find that funny. Taking a shitty, obnoxious character and putting him up against a normal human being and having the normal human being scream and writhe in pain at how shitty and obnoxious he is isn't funny to me.

it's not a change though. it's a one-off, at least at that point. homer is basically back to how he was in future episodes for a while until really david cohen and some crew left to work on futurama. after that point, it wasn't homer who was written inconsistently to how he was portrayed in seasons 3-10, but everyone was changed in a similar way.
 

Krejlooc

Banned
it's not a change though. it's a one-off, at least at that point. homer is basically back to how he was in future episodes for a while until really david cohen and some crew left to work on futurama. after that point, it wasn't homer who was written inconsistently to how he was portrayed in seasons 3-10, but everyone was changed in a similar way.

i disagree. Homer is certainly exaggerated in the episode, but not by much. He definitely had changed in character by the time the episode aired.
 

SalvaPot

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Yeah Graimito is going to surely be one of those episodes that will keep coming up when discussing Best-of episodes.

And the Bomba thing is absolutely hilarious, and I find it more surprising that is so meanspirited that most people believe its fake, daaamn.
 

Ushojax

Should probably not trust the 7-11 security cameras quite so much
Bart: [about constellations] Who names these things anyway?
Principal Skinner: Whoever discovers them. I've been hoping I could find something that would be named after me.
Bart: And you've never found anything?
Principal Skinner: Once... but by the time I got to the phone, my discovery had already been reported by Principal Kohoutek...
[a cloud covers the moon; ominous music plays]
Principal Skinner: I got back at him, though... him and that little *boy* of his.
[cloud passes; music ends]
Principal Skinner: Anyway, that's why I always keep a cellular phone next to me.


Skinner is the best.
 

AniHawk

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i disagree. Homer is certainly exaggerated in the episode, but not by much. He definitely had changed in character by the time the episode aired.

he was exaggerated for comedy's sake in that episode. he's also not the same character he was in 'homer vs. the city of new york' or 'lisa's sax'. i recommend watching more of seasons 8 and 9.
 

Krejlooc

Banned
he was exaggerated for comedy's sake in that episode. he's also not the same character he was in 'homer vs. the city of new york' or 'lisa's sax'. i recommend watching more of seasons 8 and 9.

Why? I hated seasons 8 and 9 too. You lump seasons 1-10 together, I don't. I think the series went downhill after season 7.

Never liked Homer vs New York, either.
 

AniHawk

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Why? I hated seasons 8 and 9 too. You lump seasons 1-10 together, I don't. I think the series went downhill after season 7.

Never liked Homer vs New York, either.

okay, but homer isn't the same kind of character in that episode that he is in homer's enemy. he's more bitter and frustrated (and focused on the situation) than somewhat oblivious yet earnest. it wasn't a flip of the switch.
 
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