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Nintendo @ E3 - No Direct, Just Zelda Treehouse Stream
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To be fair, I think NX has to have an even better showing than the PS4 reveal in order to do well. It will inevitably be compared to PS4/XB1 reveals and it need to show them each up, somehow.
Ps4 'won' for showing up and not having the DRM (at the time). Nintendo faces a much greater struggle than PS4 did so they have to show even more stuff than sony did to even get attention.
of course they know it, they are the ones making the games lol
Schnozberry
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If Nintendo reveals on the same timeline as Sony, then we should hear something about the NX around late Summer in the US.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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They said "playable" so people thought there'd be a Direct showing Wii U game and 3DS games.
xDUMPWEEDx
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Zelda is life.
LegendofLex
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PS4 had the benefit of being the first to the mic after Wii U had already had its time in the spotlight and Xbox One having messaging that was almost as bad as Wii U's.
This year NX is going to be competing for noise with PSVR, other VR platforms, PS4k and probably Xbox One Elite, and shittons of other software much of which will be coming out on other platforms before their new system will even come out.
The situations are not the same.
If people really want to know something, it doesn't matter whether it is at E3 or somewhere else.
For example, E3 2015 twitch stream had a peak concurrency viewership of 840,000. The Future of Playstation press conference that was streaming exclusively on Ustream had roughly one million concurrent viewers. Nintendo got up to one million (non-concurrent) views within a week of their Japan exclusive direct (Question 3).
Hell, take the PS4k for example. Sony has been completely silent on it but there has been plenty of new sites reporting on it in one way or another. If people are curios, they will come which is why I think the only downside of not being at E3 is that it's a longer wait to getting NX info. I have no doubt that a NX reveal presentation will get a lot of eyes on it.
For example, E3 2015 twitch stream had a peak concurrency viewership of 840,000. The Future of Playstation press conference that was streaming exclusively on Ustream had roughly one million concurrent viewers. Nintendo got up to one million (non-concurrent) views within a week of their Japan exclusive direct (Question 3).
Hell, take the PS4k for example. Sony has been completely silent on it but there has been plenty of new sites reporting on it in one way or another. If people are curios, they will come which is why I think the only downside of not being at E3 is that it's a longer wait to getting NX info. I have no doubt that a NX reveal presentation will get a lot of eyes on it.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Vita port confirmed, betrayalton.
Honestly agree with this.
Nintendo could of focused this E3 on their big three Wii U games; Paper Mario, #FE and Zelda with the 3DS getting the most attention thanks to Square's efforts, Monster Hunter and Pokemon.
That would of made for a solid E3 showing from them even if nothing 'new' was announced. Hell, tease the NX with one of its launch titles and what the thing looks like, and people would of been happy.
Nintendo shows how backwards they are with this move of being silent, but it could pay off if they really impress with the NX showing later this year. I hope they do, but I am honestly more looking forward to the NX handheld then console myself. They rarely mess up their handhelds (first & third party support is equally strong).
Saint Gregory
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Astral Dog
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The announcement will be at the end of the year, for some reason, the question is if they are going to focus on launch lineup only and show the rest next E3,or a huge blownout in November
Edit: they could also show Paper Mario, but im not sure why they dont
Ohhhhh. Damn that sucks for those people that were hoping lol.
Even in our pessimism, we assumed that the Digital Even would cover everything else, just that only Zelda would be playable.
It's kind of amazing how Pessimistic Fans never set their sights low enough, and the no form of bad news can shake the faith of the Optimistic Fans.
I have no doubt that the NX will receive a lot of attention but E3 is a gathering of gamers from all walks of life where some of them can stumble upon NX news and stuff and become interested in them whereas an NX specific event will be largely an echo chamber for the Nintendo faithful and Nintendo has to work harder to attract those on the outside. My reasoning for the 'echo chamber' statement is that despite the fact that the sales of the WiiU is abyssal, a good number of their games have extremely high attach rates which tells me that the current Nintendo fanbase is very dedicated.
Papacheeks
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Yes!
Did you forget how much hyper came from just Sony's alone? It drowned out almost everything from other publishers.
Even having Bethesda's own event which was pretty big last year showing Doom, Fallout 4 for the first time paled in comparison to FF7remake, Shenmue 3, Horizon, TLG.
This year we are getting PS4 NEO, XBox 1.5 or whatever it is, along side big games to be shown that might eclipse last year.
LegendofLex
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If you continue to support the existing consoles, you can't support the new ones as well as you should.
Pretty much how I see it. My excitement has been pretty much extinguished. I have too much else to look forward to and have no desire to see Nintendo drag their feet for another year while I wait for... something.
Meanwhile, I will definitely be busy watching the 'irrelevant' E3, where all of the other great looking games and products will be showcased by the ones who are actually relevant in steering the market. With the end result being millions of consumers getting excited and ready to buy come the holidays.
It's kind of funny remembering the thread where some people were insisting that Nintendo had to have a stage show this year. Not only will there be no stage show, but no direct either and NX won't be there even though it's supposedly launching before the next e3. I don't think anyone predicted all of this lol.
The end of life droughts is really a symptom of their lack of third party support. Games were still coming out for Ps3 in Japan years after Sony moved on because third parties like mature platforms with a large userbase. Since Nintendo has to go it alone, once they have to start making software for their next system the old system gets neglected.
LegenofLex said:
The end of life droughts is really a symptom of their lack of third party support. Games were still coming out for Ps3 in Japan years after Sony moved on because third parties like mature platforms with a large userbase. Since Nintendo has to go it alone, once they have to start making software for their next system the old system gets neglected.
I honestly don't see why people care that much about this. Learning about Zelda will be awesome. The only thing we won't get is info about NX, but we'll get that in spades when they have their own event (or whatever avenue they choose).
This is true, actually. If Zelda isn't good (not too likely, but definitely possible), things can go south pretty quickly.
As for abandoning E3 and trade shows in general, it seems like a great idea for larger companies to do this. They can get the word out fairly easily regardless of them. Downside? Larger companies keep the event running so if the big 3 dropped, E3 could die which would kill the smaller companies chances of being seen, etc.
This is true, actually. If Zelda isn't good (not too likely, but definitely possible), things can go south pretty quickly.
As for abandoning E3 and trade shows in general, it seems like a great idea for larger companies to do this. They can get the word out fairly easily regardless of them. Downside? Larger companies keep the event running so if the big 3 dropped, E3 could die which would kill the smaller companies chances of being seen, etc.
No. It's not enough. EA and Activision had redundant presences with what's shown by Sony and Microsoft anyhow because of the endless marketing deals.. Disney has nothing to show. Bethesda is in instead. Only Nintendo among the popular ones is reducing. And Zelda will string bring in some decent audience. VR and iterative console gen will compensate.
LegendofLex
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You're making my point for me.
Why the hell should other publishers even bother with E3 anymore? E3 is basically just a week-long commercial for PlayStation 4 at this point.
Sony's "volume" didn't drown out E3. Sony announced about as many things as they always announce. The difference is that Sony is the loudest voice, and so all the volume from other people doesn't matter for shit.
Remember, I said "volume," not "noise."
DidntKnowJack
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I'm as excited for the new Zelda as the next guy, but surely even the most diehard fan wants more than a single game demoed at a 3 day event. But hey, maybe they have something else up their sleeve.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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I highly doubt this is a reaction to a revision of a console.
Nintendo just takes their sweet time and doesn't care if it rubs people the wrong way because they don't think it will be long lasting.
thecouncil
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BluePikmin11
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As unlikely as it is, how would you feel if the next big Zelda game was a crossover with Final Fantasy?
Yeah I'm making connections to the FF Twitter account following Nintendo Twitter accounts, but why not, it's just for fun.
Yeah I'm making connections to the FF Twitter account following Nintendo Twitter accounts, but why not, it's just for fun.
So, it's not that E3 is losing importance in general, but that Sony's marketing team is too good at its job. I wish someday Nintendo will get a marketing team like that.
LegendofLex
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E3 is losing importance... for everyone who is not Sony.
If all sony showed at E3 last year was uncharted 4, people would have been a bit bummed, I think.
If you can't 'win' E3, is it even worth going?
Papacheeks
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And yet they are relevant and more so than Nintendo because there products are great and they haven't had missteps.
Nintendo has had tons.
BETHESDA for the most part is on the same page as Rockstar they are big enough and have had success after success that they can have their own venue.
And when I say success I mean a lot if not most of their games both rockstar and Bethesda sell a fuck ton.
But if you look you'll see where bethesda in June puts it's venue. Rockstar doesn't release as many titles as bethesda in quarterly fashion.
Or maybe everyone else isn't using it correctly, and doing a piss poor job at marketing to their demographic?
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Because they haven't seen it yet.
Calamari41
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I think most people in this thread love Zelda. The problem isn't Zelda, it's that all Nintendo seems to have for the next year is Zelda.
mckmas8808
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But those publishers that bowed out have signed deals with Sony and MS to be at their press conferences so.....
Stairouais
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They don't seem to be able to support anything.
Captain Smoker
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If anyone believes this I can frankly laugh.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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You really can't believe that.
Calamari41
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What am I going to have to buy on Wii U until Zelda releases?
(I meant all they have to show us, not all they have. Of course the NX is going to launch with a bunch of games.)
No one hates Zelda, its just that it is sadly going to be the scrape-goat for Nintendo being quiet.
Not only is it going to be the ONLY thing shown off during Nintendo's big E3 (sponging attention from other 3DS and Wii U titles they could be showing off) but it adds pressure for the game to really impress. People want NX news and while it won't get attention, at least they could dive into the Wii U and 3DS stuff (and the 3DS has a damn good line up this year) coming out this year.
But they won't for some reason, and that is upsetting some. Oh well, hope Zelda impresses and makes people happy, but its not enough honestly.
this is mostly what they are doing
ShadowFox08
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What about Pokemon Sun and Moon though? wtf
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Oh, you should have specified you meant for Wii U.
There'll be other games but not much.
It's not people's fault when Nintendo are intentionally not showing games like Paper Mario, Pokemon Sun and Moon, #FE and more.
im still laughing about the "nintendo holding their guns for wiiu" since 2010 tho
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