You can't 'it's avaliable now' a console or anything physical nowadays lol. We are not in the 5th generation anymore.
Well xbox did it with the "new" 360. The black one.
You can't 'it's avaliable now' a console or anything physical nowadays lol. We are not in the 5th generation anymore.
You mean the first slim version of the console? That was only in the US, and that was a standard slim redesign of the console it had no extra power or major features that set it apart from the original design.Well xbox did it with the "new" 360. The black one.
You mean the first slim version of the console? That was only in the US, and that was a standard slim redesign of the console it had no extra power or major features that set it apart from the original design.
I'd be surprised if Sony, or anyone else for that matter, is going to pull a "it's on store shelves now" to be honest.
Increases in computing capability have for some time now been tracking below Moore's law, and are probably slowest they've ever been. You can forget about 8-10x increases in capacity for the same power consumption in a 5-year timeframe like it was possible in the PS1-2-3 cycle. PS5 released in 2018 would not be 8-10x more powerful than PS4. That's why this paradigm shift is probably happening to begin with.Increases due to Moore's Law are just too much
PS5 released in 2018 would not be 8-10x more powerful than PS4. That's why this paradigm shift is probably happening to begin with.
So the Neo is a PS5 in everything but name only.
No, it's fully backwards compatible.
Increases due to Moore's Law are just too much.
Increases due to Moore's Law are just too much It really does feel like within the next decade, the concept of home consoles as we know it will cease to exist and we'll either have upgradeable mini-PCs or OnLive style "streaming" devices where the company does all of the hardware upgrades, but that's very far off for America with her awful broadband infrastructure, but less so in Japan and a ton of places in Europe.
It's come to a point where it just makes more sense for many to buy PCs. They are more expensive, but if we're just going to see these half gen upgrades, the idea of a $400 console lasting you a few years goes out the window.
You're correct, I believe the launch PS3 actually had a a full PS2 chipset on it's motherboard.So I guess the PS3 was just a PS2 as well..
So I guess the PS3 was just a PS2 as well..
Indeed, performance doesn't scale as it used to, as we hit power wall in 2005. (End of Dennard scaling.)Increases in computing capability have for some time now been tracking below Moore's law, and are probably slowest they've ever been. You can forget about 8-10x increases in capacity for the same power consumption in a 5-year timeframe like it was possible in the PS1-2-3 cycle. PS5 released in 2018 would not be 8-10x more powerful than PS4. That's why this paradigm shift is probably happening to begin with.
That's a good point I had not thought about. Porting Jaguar to 14LPP must have been a substantial endeavour.True, puma was just a design improvement. Finfet is different though so not sure if the changes that were made to jaguar would carry forward on the new node.
The big thing I have been reading from asian forums is that the next consoles will be monarch based.
Example of Monarch(Monoarch);
4x of
64 KB L1i
Fetch(CPU/GPU ISA)
Decode(CPU ISA) + Decode(GPU ISA)
Dispatch
L0i (CPU) + L0i (GPU)
2 ALU / 2 AGU / 2 FPU / Bi-directional GPU Fetch/Retire Unit(Connects to 1CU/64 ALUs)
From Yu Zheng Linkedin now taken down;
Project G/Project K, Semi-Customer project with Game Console clients.
As customer driven projects, those has extremely tight schedule and tough signoff criteria. As deployment lead, leading a team of 4 and finished successful delivery of A0/A1 sample. Client projects specially requires binary back-compatibility with previous generation of game console which brings in 3 different operation mode for verification work load, we managed to leverage regression automation and using scripting to do pre-process and post-process of regression logs and debug by priority, we managed to meet every milestone on time and with quality.
Same guy from Greenland project;
Project Greenland; Leading project of Graphic IP v9.0
As leading chip of first graphic IP v9.0 generation, it has full capacity of 4096 shader processor, along with whole new SOC v15 architecture.
This makes sense, PS4 still using GDDR5 and XB1 forced to use HBM2.In addendum to the above post.
Project K = Kingston
16 nm FF+, 11 Metal Layers
CPU Cores - Tiger
GPU Cores - Volcanic Island/Vega-ish - HBM2
Project G = ???
14nm LPP+, 11 Metal Layers (GlobalFoundries-specific)
CPU Cores - Cheetah
GPU Cores - Polaris - GDDR5
From what I can find, tied together with speculation.
So PS4K= Polaris, XB1.5= Vega?From Semiaccurate Seronx:
Same author with admitted speculation:
This makes sense, PS4 still using GDDR5 and XB1 forced to use HBM2.
I believe Vega is. I may be wrong though.For those less technically minded, which is more powerful??
From Semiaccurate Seronx:
Same author with admitted speculation:
This makes sense, PS4 still using GDDR5 and XB1 forced to use HBM2.
I believe Vega is. I may be wrong though.
I would like to know this as well.What's the difference between Tiger and Cheetah?
What's the difference between Tiger and Cheetah?
But a tiger is more ferociousCheetah's are faster.
So PS4K= Polaris, XB1.5= Vega?
But a tiger is more ferocious
You're taking a Jeff Rigby post seriously?
No. HBM is far too costly to integrate into a mass market device such as a console.
Maybe the Xbox isn't a 1.5 but a slightly early replacement (say November 2017)?
It wasn't a gamble, just people didn't expect it to have 8GB of it.Even then that is seriously pushing it. You'll note that even the ps4 going with GDDR5 was a gamble and this was technology that that first appeared commercially nearly 4 years prior.
Even then that is seriously pushing it. You'll note that even the ps4 going with GDDR5 was a gamble and this was technology that that first appeared commercially nearly 4 years prior.
I still have this feeling the last gen being 8 years really knocked Sony and MS off the tech train. Previous to last gen consoles launched at/near the cutting edge and I feel these upgraded or replacement consoles are their attempts to get back near to that cutting edge within reason.
It wasn't a gamble, just people didn't expect it to have 8GB of it.
Even so, I wouldn't be surprised if that Xbox is an early next gen console.
I still have this feeling the last gen being 8 years really knocked Sony and MS off the tech train. Previous to last gen consoles launched at/near the cutting edge and I feel these upgraded or replacement consoles are their attempts to get back near to that cutting edge within reason.
Nah, it was not wanting to sell at a loss anymore, since game development is more expensive software wise on a return than anything.
AmFreak said:Based on the leaked specs the ps4k is basically the ps4 released in 2016/17.
In fact it is even worse, cause the only big upgrade is the gpu.
Smarter and stronger more powerful as well. So which is more telling faster or more powerful?But a tiger is more ferocious
Interesting.Slightly related and though a rumor, if you read the whole thing it does kind of make sense.
http://www.designntrend.com/article...mor-console-production-price-sony-new-ps4.htm
I wonder if this is what actually happen, it would explain the existence of Neo/Xbone 1.5.
Slightly related and though a rumor, if you read the whole thing it does kind of make sense.
http://www.designntrend.com/article...mor-console-production-price-sony-new-ps4.htm
I wonder if this is what actually happen, it would explain the existence of Neo/Xbone 1.5.
The same holds true for Xbox, right?
From Semiaccurate Seronx:
Same author with admitted speculation:
This makes sense, PS4 still using GDDR5 and XB1 forced to use HBM2.
Why do people automatically assume its gonna cost so much?Lol. Yeah, sure. If Microsoft wants to have another $500+ console, then yes I guess.
Slightly related and though a rumor, if you read the whole thing it does kind of make sense.
http://www.designntrend.com/article...mor-console-production-price-sony-new-ps4.htm
I wonder if this is what actually happen, it would explain the existence of Neo/Xbone 1.5.
Slightly related and though a rumor, if you read the whole thing it does kind of make sense.
http://www.designntrend.com/article...mor-console-production-price-sony-new-ps4.htm
I wonder if this is what actually happen, it would explain the existence of Neo/Xbone 1.5.
Slightly related and though a rumor, if you read the whole thing it does kind of make sense.
http://www.designntrend.com/article...mor-console-production-price-sony-new-ps4.htm
I wonder if this is what actually happen, it would explain the existence of Neo/Xbone 1.5.
Why do people automatically assume its gonna cost so much?
That does not make any sense, its like saying you cant have 28 nm anymore sony, we are all moving to 14/16 nm, take it or pay more.
I just cannot imagine that works, AMD are not the fab anyway, and there will be plenty of 28 nm capacity I can only imagine, and 14/16 will be in shorter supply surely ?
The quote implies that the semi fab world is moving to 14/16 nm, there will be only 28 left at higher prices. Does not compute....
That does not make any sense, its like saying you cant have 28 nm anymore sony, we are all moving to 14/16 nm, take it or pay more.
I just cannot imagine that works, AMD are not the fab anyway, and there will be plenty of 28 nm capacity I can only imagine, and 14/16 will be in shorter supply surely ?
The quote implies that the semi fab world is moving to 14/16 nm, there will be only 28 left at higher prices. Does not compute....
Wouldn't GDDR5 be phased out (by AMD at least) by next year? So the only options are GDDR5x or HBM2?Lol at the hbm2 Vega rumor. If any upgraded console is using hbm2 that would mean it has a GPU that needs the type of bandwidth that HBM was designed to deliver, and a GPU requiring that type of bandwidth will likely be much, much faster than the 1080 which retails for 699.99 USD. Even the Fury X with HBM1 is retailing for north of 600 USD
See above. HBM2 isn't even utilized on the fastest GPUs just recently announced by AMD and Nvidia. The Radon Pro Duo still uses HBM1 and the 1080 uses a variant of gddr5 (gddr5x or g5x). HBM2 was designed for future GPUs with high bandwidth requirements as a means of keeping the beefy GPU fed with work.
Do you really think slapping an exotic memory type onto a mainstream consumer electronic device is going to lower it's price? And the fact that using the memory without a powerful GPU to match such bandwidth requirements is simply a terrible design decision, and a waste of appropriated dollars on the BOM. If they go HBM2 it's because they have a Vega, if it's Vegas we're talking AMDs high end part which is to compete with Nvidia high end offerings.
If the rumor is grounded then PS4 Neo will simply be the new PS4 going on and current PS4 will be discountinued.
New form factor, 14nm main chip based on a new mass manufactured APU line that AMD will put in production. All the upgrades are just a ''free'' consequence of the 14nm manufacturing process.
Rumors on price might also have been completely off since they certainly aren't going to raise the price, on the contrary.
We'll see later this year.
This is nothing new or strange though, as technology moves on, manufacturing old things for the sake of a single product simply costs more than switching to the new mass maufactured tech.