Nah. We will get metric fuckton of games.
Sony can show GT Sport, Horizon, Last Guardian, NiNoKuni 2, more FF7R footage and most probably 2 big AAA 1st party games [God of War being one of them].
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AMD Confirms Sony PlayStation Neo Based on 14nm CPU and Polaris?
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Nah. We will get metric fuckton of games.
Sony can show GT Sport, Horizon, Last Guardian, NiNoKuni 2, more FF7R footage and most probably 2 big AAA 1st party games [God of War being one of them].
What are you talking about? It doesn't dispute the 2304 SP spec.
Nah. We will get metric fuckton of games.
Sony can show GT Sport, Horizon, Last Guardian, NiNoKuni 2, more FF7R footage and most probably 2 big AAA 1st party games [God of War being one of them].
I was personally looking forward to Sony talking about the Neo and MS talking about their future in hardware as well.
The TAM bit is very selective quoting. In context it says clearly total addressable VR market. Meaning it's only high end now and will be mainstream when Polaris is launching. Therefore expanding the TAM for a VR game.
http://arstechnica.co.uk/gadgets/2016/04/amd-focusing-on-vr-mid-range-polaris/
Edit: Also there's no reason Sony had to increase the number of CU on the GPU. Even if they chose Polaris because it was available the only GPU design available in 14nm, Sony clearly chose to build a bigger chip than necessary. Plus I'd surprised if Sony hadn't planned it from the start.
No, they shrunk it to 20nm planar.
Oh you're right I misread the second number, which was making me think 1536 ALUs.
GhostTrick
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Controllers are $50 & you're waiting for a PS4 to be $99 lol
maybe we will get a mini console PS4/Xbox One down the road based around media playback but can have a harddrive & controller added at a higher price point than the base model.
anexanhume
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Of course. I'm just pointing out that there's no way to prove it's for either, even if it was somehow legitimate. We've never seen a console part leak in this manner, nor would I ever expect one to.
Dr. Kitty Muffins
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I would like a hybrid 1TB drive.
It got boring when Nintendo bailed.
Now it's just got a bit worse though.
How am I wrong when I pointed it out before it was revealed that Neo has 36 CU's? it's a clear case of AMD & Sony making the most out of going 14nm. AMD get a cheap mid range GPU that's ~ 4TF & Sony get a more powerful PS4.
RedAssedApe
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eyes just glaze over whenever jeff posts. still waiting for that ps3 browser and his other claimed updates.
Sidewinder
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It's not like they cost 50$ to build and I'm not waiting, have a launch PS4
It'd have been nice for it to hit 99$, making a VR bundle for 299$ a possibility in several years and beating PS2 sales!!1 Of course VR would need to be a tremendous hit for it to happen too...
GhostTrick
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You're wrong because you believe just because it's double the CUs it's based on the PS4 GPU. It's just that it's not the full Polaris 10 and that AMD always did this for their GPUs.
A wide range of CUs. Not because one is the same number of the PS4 GPU that it's based on it. It's the opposite.
It's not like they cost 50$ to build and I'm not waiting, have a launch PS4
It'd have been nice for it to hit 99$, making a VR bundle for 299$ a possibility in several years and beating PS2 sales!!1 Of course VR would need to be a tremendous hit for it to happen too...
I didn't mean that you was actually waiting on a $99 PS4 I was speaking broadly. I know it's not $50 to make the controller but Sony most likely plan to keep the controller around that price for years to come so I don't think they will be selling a console that come with the controller & harddrive/Bluray drive & game for $99 any time soon. they isn't much room for making money when you go to $99.
But the fact that people use these consoles for media players & they fact that cloud gaming is going to be a thing means that at some point we might see PS4/Xbox One STB that could be in the $99 - $199 range.
What's the source on this? Would be the second time MS backed the wrong horse.
dragonflys545
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I hope they release a 1 or 2 TB version of the console. I don't want to upgrade my current PS4.
I can't see this being true at all. The success that they are having in NA/EU - why would they make a reveal like this in Japan where the PS4 hasn't really taken off and mobile is much more popular?
They'll show it at E3 (they didn't do Gamescon last year and they have Paris/PS December show).
wonderful103
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Most of the article is conjecture and guessing, that's why
BigTnaples
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Damn.
Was hoping we would see it at E3, wanted to see Uncharted 4 and Battlefield One running in NEO modes.
Was hoping we would see it at E3, wanted to see Uncharted 4 and Battlefield One running in NEO modes.
wonderful103
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Uncharted you've already likely clearly seen running on something other than the base PS4 hardware when they revealed it. EA will never showcase its software on console. Especially not Battlefield. Even if you see controller prompts, it's going to be a high end PC.
lyrick
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You read it correctly.
This is what I thought as well.
RedAssedApe
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i can't remember but wasn't battlefront shown on ps4?
wonderful103
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A PS4 logo coming before a trailer doesn't mean it's shown on PS4.
Neither do controller prompts.
It was and always will be high end PC.
jhmtehgamr20xx
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E3 already got boring when Nintendo decided to keep the NX as near-vaporware instead of showing it there.
JumPeRJumPzZ
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The E3 2015 gameplay trailer was PS4 footage.
That's interesting... Sony was planning to do its business as usual in terms of cost reductions for the PS4. But with the current node shrinks, they don't bring the benefits you could observe in the past. Hence the choice of bringing a PS4 Neo which seems to be a less expensive solution rather than just shrunk the current PS4 APU.
Nikodemos
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^^^^
That's because the previous node (20 nm) was an utter disaster and couldn't provide an easy shrink path as others did in the past. So they had to choose between a die reformat (28nm bulk planar to 14nm FinFET) or a die reformat with extra stuff thrown in at $ minuscule (for mass production) extra cost. It's sort of like supersizing your $13 medium meal order for an extra $2. Of course they took it.
That's because the previous node (20 nm) was an utter disaster and couldn't provide an easy shrink path as others did in the past. So they had to choose between a die reformat (28nm bulk planar to 14nm FinFET) or a die reformat with extra stuff thrown in at $ minuscule (for mass production) extra cost. It's sort of like supersizing your $13 medium meal order for an extra $2. Of course they took it.
Pretty big assumptions made on the article. While I doubt Polaris is showing up on NX. It would still be late 2016 when production starts on NX for release in march so theoretically the results would begin showing up 2nd half 2016 for AMD.
2nd half 2016 New semi-custom does not have to be related to Polaris.
2nd half 2016 New semi-custom does not have to be related to Polaris.
That's some pretty big information there.
So according to this article(which makes leaps like them announcing at TGS), the reason Sony are doing Neo is because it would have been a waste of money to do a simple die shrink slim with the kind of investment AMD's current fabrication process takes?
Like, (and these numbers are from my ass) it cost 500 mil for a full Neo upgrade at 14nm, and like 400mil for a full remake of the original silicon at 14nm?
So according to this article(which makes leaps like them announcing at TGS), the reason Sony are doing Neo is because it would have been a waste of money to do a simple die shrink slim with the kind of investment AMD's current fabrication process takes?
Like, (and these numbers are from my ass) it cost 500 mil for a full Neo upgrade at 14nm, and like 400mil for a full remake of the original silicon at 14nm?
Woodchipper
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Probably a stupid question, but I want some clarification.
I'm wondering if the upgrades are good for 4K tv's only, or if it will improve the games in general. I guess what I'm asking is if it'll be worth getting the new console while keeping my 1080p tv?
I'm wondering if the upgrades are good for 4K tv's only, or if it will improve the games in general. I guess what I'm asking is if it'll be worth getting the new console while keeping my 1080p tv?
Iacobellis
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Surprising that Sony is going to announce this at TGS. So far, it seems like the PS4 has had the least amount of emphasis in Japan compared to any previous system from them. The console was announced in NYC, didn't come out in Japan until 2014, etc.
It's just what I've seen people say on a few websites, including this one. It could be false, but the rumors pointing to Xbone Slim launching next month make 14nm or 16nm seem a little unlikely for it. However, it wouldn't be related to an upgrade.
I don't see any reason to doubt Polaris for NX that doesn't amount to the "it's Nintendo" catch-all. Polaris 11 (the smaller one) seems like the most Nintendo-like choice for a GPU out of the available options. Staying on 28nm would mean either dramatically higher power consumption than any other Nintendo console, hardware considerably weaker than Xbone, or a mobile SoC. Meanwhile, Polaris 11 and an ARM CPU would mean power consumption under 60W for a PS4-level system with a much smaller APU to help reduce costs. Also, Nintendo was most likely initially aiming for 20nm before the plans for that node were changed. They could have gone backwards after that, but I doubt it.
Schnozberry
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There is no source, because 20nm planar is not being fabricated by anyone anywhere. It was a total bust and AMD abandoned it.
potatohead
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If Uncharted 4 has a NEO mode I'm buying this.
That's pretty much all there is to it for me.
That's pretty much all there is to it for me.
Schnozberry
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It's very possible that both the Neo and PS4 are on 14nm and that neither one is on Polaris. No one has really answered the question as to whether Sony has found a way to replicate the register level access developers have on the existing PS4 on a different GPU architecture. AMD and Sony have brilliant engineers so it's not impossible that they have found a way to make it work with a type of compatibility mode, but it seems like an extraordinary undertaking for a mid cycle refresh.
Well, he didn't say "at."
Seeing as the single player dlc is likely going to come out after October (if the last of us release schedule is anything to go by) and that will be required to have a neo mode in it, I wouldn't be surprised if they patch in the engine/neo upgrades for that into the base game as well.
AcademicSaucer
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They need to clean up that article, what is confirmed , what is speculation and what is a rumor from a source?
I thought that due to having to be binary compatible with PS4 GPU, the Neo cannot use Polaris, but must be the exact same semi-custom Southern Islands architecture of the base PS4, only more resources (not more slightly different ones).
Just gimme the a Neo and list of games, new and old, that'll have enhancements (patched or day one)
Would love to play Uncharted 4, Dark Souls III and GTA V at or near 60fps.
Just gimme the a Neo and list of games, new and old, that'll have enhancements (patched or day one)
Would love to play Uncharted 4, Dark Souls III and GTA V at or near 60fps.
Nostremitus
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I read it to mean they were aiming for PS4 parity but didn't expect the performance gains that Polaris provided.
Are these Canadian dollars?
hodayathink
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It does, except that if they pulled it off, it could possibly make backwards compatibility for whatever the PS5 ends up being much easier.
ThoseDeafMutes
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The games won't be rendering at 4k, or at least most of them won't be, so "ps4k" is a misleading label. It will benefit you on 1080p except in perhaps a few cases where a non-intensive game might just render at 4k (like indie titles or something).