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[DeepEnigma]

Wasnt Nadella+company restructure in 2014?

Correct, and they ditched the Kinect money sink, and focused on the console itself. I do not see them making a subsidized console or the same of 'supah powah', especially being behind in market/mindshare as it is. And again, we see AMD's roadmaps, the tech is not there for them to blow away the NEO.

 

[SOR5]

Oooh more proprietary VR. Awesome.

Why can't they just use the Rift with their new box?

Thats what theyre doing arent they?

 

[Loris146]

Too many products in my opinion. We'll be interesting to see the time frame between each iteration.

 

[Klocker]

This sucks for me because my Xbox is signed. And I'm going to upgrade. What do I do with my Xbox now. Shelf it?!

I'll move my One to the living room TV for voice control and a media box and put the new upgraded gaming box in my TV/game room

I'm ready for new upgraded graphics and oculus rift games without having to buy a gaming pc. Wish it were coming this holiday but I can wait another year I guess

 

[dragonelite]

Nevermind, they are using Rift, according to this rumor. Awesome.

I should read the comments less.

That is what they said, Scorpio will have enough performance to work with the Rift.

 

[c0de]

To what end though? That's what the message is now. What happens couple years from now?

Like all years before: until no one thinks it's worth the money to make games for that specific system.

 

[Chris1]

Is your iphone/smartphone useless when a new one is released?

Not the same, but keep reaching.

Or Xbox One is at 30fps and NEO is at 60?

You're not playing against people on the neo so that's irrelevant

I can't see this being the case considering graphics would push sales of the new boxes more than framerate would.

That's a good point but doesn't rule out the possibility of framerate increases

You don't have to run the newest or fastest iteration on the market, just like
most people don't upgrade to the newest model each year.

Just like i didn't bought the Galaxy edge 7 two months ago,
instead of the one plus x i have right now.

Phones aren't comparable, and when my games start running at half the FPS or dipping to like 30FPS in a 60FPS game just because they had to make a next gen, you're pretty much forcing me to upgrade if I want to enjoy my games and not get my ass handed to me.

We've literally already had these types of discussions with the PS4K. Especially now that both Sony AND Microsoft are doing the same thing, it will be easy for customers to adapt.

Especially considering that phones already have a similar upgrade path.

And, I'm assuming that Microsoft will adopt similar requirements that Sony is rumored to have in place, such as:

-it is required to make the 4k version run better
-it is required to have parity in content between the versions
-devs are required to have both versions by 'x' time

If you notice, they are requirements. Having consistency is key to making it work.

So they make the neo/scoprio versions run better, that's pretty much my issue here.. Why would I want to play a game against others at half the framerate as them? It won't be fun because they'll just kick my ass, effectively forcing me to upgrade or just quit multiplayer gaming all together (and the way games are going with almost everything being multiplayer focused these days, probably gaming completely)

 

[arevin01]

If the Rift ever takes off and be the dominant VR device, MS has a big win in their hands.

 

[c0de]

Is XB1 not going to have any exclusives?

Exclusives in games not on PlayStation platform? Sure.

 

[kiguel182]

These are not fucking phones!

These are consoles that play $60+ software not 1.99-4.99 app/games.

And we are dealing with things like resolution, frame rates being different by possible large margins.

And if lets say down the road a major AAA game runs like ass on older PS4, than Neo you will have a fucking wild fire that could spread, once developers want to work on the newer hardware down the line.

Just because Sony's mandate now says you have to target PS4, doesn't mean it wont change in the future which has happened to an extent with different versions of games.

First: You can buy software of a different range of prices on consoles.

Second: Well, he said useless. There was no mention of price just usability.

And last, devs won't just work on the new hardware because they want to sell their game to as much people as possible. They will probably target more than just one iteration. Especially since games have long dev cycles too.

You aren't making a AAA game in less than three years and just targeting one version of the console.

Working like phones isn't bad since phones work pretty well.

 

[krang]

Is your iphone/smartphone useless when a new one is released?

A more apt example is graphics cards when a new one is released.

 

[Mr. Giggles]

*sigh

Oh well.

Squidwardfuture.gif

 

[ShiftaDeband]

Man, I just can't get excited for this. I'm thinking of how similar this would be to the PS4 NEO. I just don't want to have to get a new console every couple years. I miss the (what felt like) massive generations we've been given up until now.

Isn't this part of the reason the gaming market crashed in the mid eighties?

Personally, I think this may be the nail in the coffin for my own console gaming habits. I'm leaning toward going PC and upgrade that at different intervals and not a while console. Not to mention the amount of sales.

 

[Papilloma]

but if you have a PC that can drive an oculus rift, and MS releases all their games on PC, why would you want the xbox?

I do like the general sound of it though - OR compatible suggests at least GTX970 performance which should be doable on a smaller node - maybe MS will get rid of the embedded ram and go with GDDR5 to save die space? All games on Xbox/PC basically makes xbox a convenient living room PC for gaming which isn't necessarily a bad thing ( although compatibility with steam would really seal the deal)

I own a PC that can drive a Rift, but I see console gaming as a different beast. Certain games I prefer to play on PC (Civilisation, Total War etc), other games I prefer to play on console (Tomb Raider, Forza etc.). To me the two devices complement each other. Everyone's different I suppose.

 

[Chris1]

A more apt example is graphics cards when a new one is released.

and that's part of the reason I don't play on pc.

 

[Voost Kain]

because you plug consoles into a wall!1!1!

You don't plug PC's into a wall?

 

[MilkyJoe]

A more apt example is graphics cards when a new one is released.

You just turn down the res...


Ps4 is getting a lot more 900p games come October...

 

[kiguel182]

I'm still waiting for someone to give a good reason why this isn't the same as a phone or a tablet.

Whatever, if you don't want to buy it just don't buy it. I'll probably buy the iteration after this one unless I get some extra money laying around. I'm happy with my PS4 right now.

Iterative consoles is really what makes the most sense given how tech works and how the consumer electronics market works.

I say bring it on.

 

[ThoughtsOfSpeaking]

Today's leaks can be taken as confirmation that Microsoft is not leaving the console business, correct? Looks like they are still all in and willing to compete with Sony for the foreseeable future, even if PS4 is kicking their butts.

Please let that be true.

It's a confirmation that Microsoft is playing to their strengths and the traditional console system is pretty much irrelevant.

And while a Xbox one in 2016 will scale with a Xbox three in 2020, both will be eclisped by a custom gaming rig built in 2017 that has the XB1 interface but is more powerful than both.

 

[Bits N Pieces]

Holy shit! Been in meetings all afternoon and I come out to numerous rumour threads about Microsoft's plans. Xbox Slim this year and the Next Xbox in 2017? Perfect

 

[DeepEnigma]

and that's part of the reason I don't play on pc.

Great news!

Your Xbox One games still play on your Xbox One! Or do you not want anyone having a bigger ice cream cone because you do not want a bigger ice cream cone?

 

[Zukkoyaki]

To what end though? That's what the message is now. What happens couple years from now?

All it takes one game to make a case for use with more powerful iteration console, and you get a situation that could cause a lot of problems.

I love that you seem to have so much faith in this, as though it can't backfire or cause issues down the line?

A couple of years down the line a PS5 and a NextBox would probably have launched anyway. So just buy the next iteration likely in about 2019 when a theoretical next-gen would have begun as expected. Boom, you had your more traditional 6-year console life cycle and haven't missed a game along the way. All signs point to this not being a case of needing new hardware every 3ish years.

It isn't that I have blind faith, I'm just thinking on a more rational level than immediately jumping to the worst case scenario and assuming everything is going to backfire simply because we aren't used to it.

 

[mavericktopgun]

2 questions:


-why do we have 2 PS4 Variants and 2 Xbox One Variants in 2017?
-why didn't they put BETTER specs in both launch consoles?


It's a devs nightmare. And the average consumer will be confused and others will be pissed of.


Why can't they release a PS5 and Xbox 720 in 2018/19?

 

[Ricky Ricardo]

Man, I just can't get excited for this. I'm thinking of how similar this would be to the PS4 NEO. I just don't want to have to get a new console every couple years. I miss the (what felt like) massive generations we've been given up until now.

Isn't this part of the reason the gaming market crashed in the mid eighties?

Personally, I think this may be the nail in the coffin for my own console gaming habits. I'm leaning toward going PC and upgrade that at different intervals and not a while console. Not to mention the amount of sales.

Hey, if the market crashes, then the market crashes.

Maybe that'll be what it takes to get some priorities straightened.

 

[kiguel182]

A more apt example is graphics cards when a new one is released.

That is a great example. It's not like people buy every new card as is released (well, I'm sure some do).

 

[BruceCLea]

I just expect a Slim XBOX this year and XBOX Scorpio next year. There's no way that they'd release all of these different SKU's this year. It's confusing enough with the 1,000,000,000 bundles they have all the time. The TV stick and the other thing sound like nonsense to me. PS TV didn't do anything and XBOX 360 Arcade didn't move the needle either. But who knows, just my guess though.


But I'm super happy with the "Helix" strategy. It's smart of them and my PC is ready.

 

[Voost Kain]

Please tell me where I can buy a laptop that can run Quantum Break for $300

I was talking about around $400-$450 depending on the price of the new interations. (at the time they come out.)

PC however you could likely spend that much or so and get better performance than these consoles and not be far from the next iteration of PS4k/X1.5(if it's confirmed) most likely.

The current consoles as we know, are lacking in power. Were skipped past when they launched. Using the rumored PS4k specs as a bench mark I don't see much improvement there.

 

[icespide]

I was talking about around $400-$450 depending on the price of the new interations. (at the time they come out.)

PC however you could likely spend that much or so and get better performance than these consoles and not be far from the next iteration of PS4k/X1.5(if it's confirmed) most likely.

The current consoles as we know, are lacking in power. Were skipped past when they launched. Using the rumored PS4k specs as a bench mark I don't see much improvement there.

for $400? no way

 

[Sneaky Gato]

I am (not) looking forward to what promises to be perpetual complaining about "old gen hardware" holding back games.

 

[Chris1]

Great news!

Your Xbox One games still play on your Xbox One! Or do you not want anyone having a bigger ice cream cone because you do not want a bigger ice cream cone?

Yea, at potentially half the frame rate. I don't care what others have and never have, I could care less if someone has PS4 a $2k PC, what I care about being put at a severe disadvantage in multiplayer and ruining my fun unless I upgrade and fork out another £400.

I play games for fun, being stomped on because I didn't fork out another £400 every 3 years isn't fun

 

[-Horizon-]

Wait, the title expanded from what it was a couple hours ago

iterative approach for their consoles

I'm still not sure how to feel about this even if it becomes the norm. I'm not even that accepting of it with handhelds and the 1/2/3000 psp/vita and the ds/3ds updates.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Hey, if the market crashes, then the market crashes.

Maybe that'll be what it takes to get some priorities straightened.

That is the way I am looking at it too, lol.

 

[Guymelef]

2 questions:


-why do we have 2 PS4 Variants and 2 Xbox One Variants in 2017?
-why didn't they put BETTER specs in both launch consoles?


It's a devs nightmare. And the average consumer will be confused and others will be pissed of.


Why can't they release a PS5 and Xbox 720 in 2018/19?

1-Different prices, with the time current versions will dissapear.
2-Price power consumption.

 

[KingJ2002]

It's a confirmation that Microsoft is playing to their strengths and the traditional console system is pretty much irrelevant.

And Xbox one in 2016 will scale with a Xbox three in 2020, both will be eclisped by a custom gaming rig built in 2017 that has the XB1 interface but is more powerful than both.

and in Regards to Nintendo... maybe they saw this "iterative" console future coming and ensured the NX platform can support that future.

it's like a said the previous posts... Apple changed console gaming without setting foot in the market.

- Closed Platform
- Digital Future
- Yearly Hardware Updates


The days of GameFly / GameStop (Rental / Dedicated Gaming Retail) will go the way of the dodo after this gen.

 

[AmyS]

I just expect a Slim XBOX and XBOX Scorpio next year. There's no way that they'd release all of these different SKU's this year. It's confusing enough with the 1,000,000,000 bundles they have all the time.

Very much agree.

Slim XBOX One - $200, launching whenever.

Next-gen XBOX Scorpio - $400~$500 - Fall 2017.

 

[icespide]

2 questions:


-why do we have 2 PS4 Variants and 2 Xbox One Variants in 2017?
-why didn't they put BETTER specs in both launch consoles?


It's a devs nightmare. And the average consumer will be confused and others will be pissed of.


Why can't they release a PS5 and Xbox 720 in 2018/19?

there's 3 questions in this post btw

also re bolded, they probably will, they will just play all of your old games

 

[Nirolak]

On the other hand, if the tech changes aren't significant and revolutionary, as they have been in prior cycles, then having a steadier stream of revenues come in from iterative consoles rather than the peaks and valleys of the traditional console model makes the consoles far less risky financially.

With the traditional model, Microsoft's botched Xbox One launch could cost them for 5-7 years, paying the opportunity cost price of not having launched well. With an iterative model, if one iteration doesn't sell well, they can quickly address the issues and deliver a more appealing box. Revenues are more steady, mistakes are more easily and rapidly fixed.

Same thing as in games now. Without the service model, a game would have one shot at really selling a bunch, launch. Now, games can continue generating significant revenue for years.

It's far less risky this way. And if people go to PC, that's fine for them too. People will be playing on Windows 10, and hopefully (in their minds) using the Store, and generating MAUs.

Yeah, I think they were looking at the timeline for being able to try again and decided they didn't want to face that situation (now or in the future).

That said, I still think a lot of companies will continue to get priced out of the AAA market just by the virtue of increasing standards. Going from competing with first year games on the Xbox 360 to competing with titles like GTA V, Far Cry 4, Assassin's Creed 4, and Battlefield 4 at the of the generation was already a death sentence for many competitors, and the hardware hadn't changed in eight years.

With iterative consoles, the opportunity to push hard on graphics, content scope, and production value increases on a regular basis is more readily available to those with the cash.

 

[MCD]

Remember this guys? This E3 will be insane.

 

[mavericktopgun]

1-Different prices, with the time current versions will dissapear.
2-Price and consum.

I bought my PS4 6 months ago. My Xbox One is 1 1/2 years 'old'.

This sucks.

 

[oldergamer]

Games will be forwards compatible, so over the course of 5 years, all new games might have to support 2 or 3 console revisions. MS will mandate which systems need to be supported by games. I seriously doubt it will be every year, and neither will users need to by a new console so often. If you buy a system and buy games they will be compatible for the length of a regular console cycle.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Yea, at potentially half the frame rate. I don't care what others have and never have, I could care less if someone has PS4 a $2k PC, what I care about being put at a severe disadvantage in multiplayer and ruining my fun unless I upgrade and fork out another £400.

I play games for fun, being stomped on because I didn't fork out another £400 every 3 years isn't fun

Potential half the framerate happens now. And developers will be called out for it for sloppy games. If it is the same disc, I do not foresee this happening. I expect the same performance you have now with games, with improvements to the advanced mode.

Severe disadvantages are stretching it, since there are there who have faster internet, better latency, better input lag sets, elite controllers, etc.. already.

Nothing changes, only options for those who choose to have them.

and in Regards to Nintendo... maybe they saw this "iterative" console future coming and ensured the NX platform can support that future.

it's like a said the previous posts... Apple changed console gaming without setting foot in the market.

- Closed Platform
- Digital Future
- Yearly Hardware Updates


The days of GameFly / GameStop (Rental / Dedicated Gaming Retail) will go the way of the dodo after this gen.

Very good perspective.

 

[Pelagic]

If this is true I've got a feeling the next Halo will be 30 fps 720-900p on Xbox One and 60 fps 1080p on this new console.
Forza games might also be split 30/60 fps across xbox devices.

Get ready for a near future where most Xbox One games will be 720p, PS4 will be 900p and you will need a Neo/Scorpio to get full HD resolution. Not to mention the 4k upscaling stuff Sony and Microsoft are planning.

 

[Napalm_Frank]

I bet my ass they want to be a decent jump over Neo, especially if it's next year.

 

[CalamityPixel]

Remember this guys? This E3 will be insane.

Will they have an Xbone "Lid" for when they reveal each new console?

 

[AmyS]

I bought my PS4 6 months ago. My Xbox One is 1 1/2 years 'old'.

This sucks.

When did you get your Xbox One ?

 

[Voost Kain]

I'm still waiting for someone to give a good reason why this isn't the same as a phone or a tablet.

Whatever, if you don't want to buy it just don't buy it. I'll probably buy the iteration after this one unless I get some extra money laying around. I'm happy with my PS4 right now.

Iterative consoles is really what makes the most sense given how tech works and how the consumer electronics market works.

I say bring it on.

But now how overly expensive consoles work with buying separate objects (games) across multiple platforms.

How can you even compare a console to a phone?

Phones basically don't require anything everything is built in the phone, while lower tiers are basically for phone calls, and light surfing, the upper tiers are strong and will likely last 2 years or so before they really become obsolete, and half the software runs the same across multiple devices in that time span. Half the games also run about the same in the equal amount of time.

These are two different consoles or three different consoles, or 4 different consoles with higher power differences, they will not be running games similarly, and they each have their own dev kits.

It's basically the exact opposite of how phone devloping works or how it is now, where most of the upper mid/high tier phones will be running the same programs and games and apps the same away for at least minimum a year. Usually 2. With the same architectures even with the "updated" the phones get software wise, and with the same tools.

 

[kinggroin]

Now that Xbox has all their games on PC it will be a hard sell to get a lot of gamers to buy the box. I used to own all systems but now I won't have to.

Not a hard sell.

PC gaming still has the stigma of having a high barrier for entry. Regardless how complicated consoles have become, they are still seen as plug and play.

 

[Chris1]

Potential half the framerate happens now. And developers will be called out for it for sloppy games. If it is the same disc, I do not force this happening. I expect the same performance you have not with games, with improvements to the advanced mode.

Severe disadvantages are stretching it, since there are there who have faster internet, better latency, better input lag sets, elite controllers, etc.. already.

Nothing changes, only options for those who choose to have them.

What games has one person running at half the FPS as another in the same server on Xbox? Lol

 

[icespide]

It's basically the exact opposite of how phone devloping works or how it is now, where most of the upper mid/high tier phones will be running the same programs and games and apps the same away for at least minimum a year. Usually 2. With the same architectures even with the "updated" the phones get software wise, and with the same tools.

this is what is happening to console gaming my friend

 

[Voost Kain]

for $400? no way

PC or laptop?