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Nintendo has the perfect IP for a new kid's show.

Jofamo

Member
So! As I'm sure most of you know, Nintendo has recently made a lot of noise about licensing it's IP to greater effect in the near future. A lot of people, myself included, are looking forward to seeing what this will entail, especially if the rumours of a film being produced in the next couple of years holds true. Nintendo have a wealth of fantastic IP just sitting around doing nothing, which they seem to have woken up to. The possibilities are massive. An epic LOTR style Zelda film? A creepy sci-fi horror film based on Metroid? Hell, Miyamoto has already dipped his toes in creating some short Pikmin films, and I feel like with a proper push the Pikmin characters could resonate with children in much the same way the Minions craze has.

But that's just films! Animated kid's TV shows based on video game IP have been around almost as long as games themselves have, and are a great way to reach out to a wider audience and educate people about your IP. I'm sure everyone here has been a fan of a video game based cartoon at one point or another. The Super Mario Bros Super Show, Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog, Pokémon, Kirby: Right Back At Ya!, Megaman NT Warrior, Sonic Boom, Yokai Watch. Some have seen more success than others, but overall they're a fun way to engage with the younger audience and rake in those all important game sales.

With recent news about a new Megaman cartoon coming soon, it got me thinking about which of Nintendo's IP's would suit the kids TV format best. Mario, Kirby, Donkey Kong, and Pokémon have all had their shot, and with the exception of the latter, kind of fell flat. Sometimes, it feels like video game companies have a bit of disconnect with their target audience. Time will tell, but this new Megaman cartoon doesn't sound like anything to get too excited over either. Sonic Boom, from what I've heard, has been a reasonable success, but the tie in games have sucked which has left that show picking up the pieces.

So let's take a look at what kids are actually watching these days then, and get a better idea of what it takes to be a successful show! Adventure time regularly pulls in more than a million viewers per episode, and at it's peak (during season premiers etc) sometimes even as much as 3 million! Steven Universe regularly pulls in between 1 and 2 million viewers per episode. Over the Garden Wall, a short mini series, still gained between 1 and 2 million viewers per episode. Gravity Falls pulled in around 2.5 million viewers with it's finale, but at it's peak more than 4 million people were watching that show! That's a lot of people! And that's a lot of potential game sales, if Nintendo play their cards right.

What do these shows have in common with each other? They all share a similar style of off-beat humour that has risen in popularity over the last few years. Shows such as Dexters Laboratory, Powerpuff Girls, Ed Edd and Eddy etc may have been the kings of cartoons a decade ago, but these recent shows are cut from a different cloth. These are stories about kids with magical destinies and adventures. They're weird and wonderful and surprising for all the right reasons. They're subverting long established tropes. They sometimes make no sense at all, with strange monsters and enemies and storylines. And then they sometimes hit you right in the feels, with big emotional twists and turns. Where cartoons once swore by the old "Monster of the week" formula, these shows have begun exploring intricate story arcs and character development. And they're being suitably rewarded for it.

So what Nintendo IP could be best suited for a new show of this ilk?

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Earthbound. Think about it for a second.

You have a perfect cast of children setting out for a grand adventure in Ness, Paula, Jeff and Poo. All very different characters with equally interesting backstories. Ness is a kid who is told of his greater destiny by a dying bug that landed in a comet in his backyard. Paula is a powerful telekinetic who is kidnapped by a strange cult. Jeff is a whizz kid who has been left behind in a boarding school by his strange father, and through events discovers his destiny and has to leave his best friend Tony behind. Poo is a prince from a far off land, who decides to join Ness after a powerful vision. Ness calling his dad from a pay phone just to check in every now and then, to let him know he's safe is a really powerful moment in the games. There's plenty of opportunity for some really funny and emotional episodes in there already. And that's before we even get to the rest of the cast.

You have a great antagonist with a complicated backstory in Pokey, who has no friends and just wants to be accepted, but is ultimately taken in by Giygas, a powerful alien presence with mysterious origins. Then there's some amazingly strange and wonderful enemies like Master Belch, the Starmen, Zombies, Cavemen, Hippies, Street Gangs and robots, to name a few. Apple Kid, the Runaway Five, Dr Andonuts, Dungeon Man, Mr Saturn. Lots and lots of interesting side characters in which to base episodes around.

And settings! Eagleland has a variety of visually interesting locations to take advantage of. From the quiet Americana setting of Onett, to the bustling Fourside and it's strange dark alternative dimension Moonside. You have the deserts of Scaraba to the snowy terrain of Winters. And don't forget Magicant!

Earthbound has been known for years for its off-beat humour, which I think would translate perfectly to a TV show in this style. There is so much material in that game from which to draw from.

And the best thing is, the game is still a relatively obscure hidden gem. You don't need to follow the game all the games plot points to make something wonderful, and making changes to the characters and story isn't likely to piss anyone off. In fact, I think any Earthbound fan would be delighted to just see the franchise get some recognition.

So I've kind of ran out of steam a little bit. Sorry for the wall of text, but imagining what could be got me a little excited. I'm interesting to know what people think of such a concept!
 

Neoxon

Junior Member
Maybe Splatoon, Star Fox, or Kid Icarus could get a show. I mean, you're really selling me on Mother/Earthbound, but the franchise has been dormant for a good long while (Virtual Console releases aside). Then again, that didn't stop Mega Man, but he wasn't dormant for nearly as long as Mother/Earthbound.
 
A KND like Splatoon one would be cool.
I don't know about Earthbound. It's not a popular franchise and I'm not sure how well it would translate
 

Stumpokapow

listen to the mad man
i mean mario would be the perfect ip for a kids show (also kids shows don't sell on the basis of quality so i have no idea why "the past mario cartoons were bad" would stop them from doing it) but sure, earthbound, why not
 

Justinh

Member
Yeah, I bet Splatoon with it's style and a weird hyperactive show would be popular with the kids.


It'd almost be like, a "super" show!
Edit: I was basing this off a kind of Cartoon Cartoon show like those mentioned, not the newer shows like Adventure Time and Gravity Falls as I have never seen those.
 
I'm curious to see how they would translate Giygas in a kids show.

A background element that surrounds would be ideal. Giygas is an expression and explicit symbol of hatred but it is an abstract one so it's not impossible that they could get away with simply using a background.
 

Hazu

Member
Almost every Nintendo series would make a great TV show for kids to be honest (except maybe Metroid..?).
 

Ms.Galaxy

Member
Earthbound? The game where Poo had his limbs willingly ripped off by a ghost, the one where four cops beat up a kid for no real reason, the one where there's a cult that resembles the KKK and was likely based after a Japanese terrorist cult, the game that the final boss was based after Itoi's traumatic childhood memory of an adult film murder scene. There's probably a lot more I forgot to list, but Earthbound has some dark themes and subject matters hiding under that goofy, suburban American design. I'm not sure you could make a kids show with that, unless it leans more towards preteens.
 

Freeman

Banned
Nintendo would have better luck making a show for their audience instead of going for the kids demographic.

A Nintendo IP for kids would be starting from the ground up and its hardly an advantage for the show to succeed, if successful it would help them attract a younger audience but it be pretty hard to make it get to the point where it would matter.
 
I for one am happy that the IP OP proposed was NOT Splatoon. Treating that as a surprise would be banal as... well, nevermind.

EarthBound is a great IP for a great show, but not necessarily a great IP for a greatly popular kids' show. Honestly I would expect an adult cartoon channel to do something with it earlier. Not to mention Itoi IP conundrums.

The whole series may appear similar to, say, Adventure Time, but it follows a certain internal logic that is in my opinion exactly unattractive to modern young audience. If there was one thing I would compare it to, it would probably be Little Prince... when you think about it, the whimsical parts are sort of separate layer from the rest, and the rest is a relatively grounded, classical value based tale.

Of course you could just ignore that aspect of the franchise but then you can just make up your own new IP.
 
Earthbound subverts tropes, but you would have needed to grow up with those tropes to understand the subversion. I think that would be lost on most kids.

Don't get me wrong, I'd literally figuratively kill for an Earthbound cartoon, but I don't know how many kids would fully appreciate it.

But would be a show about kids being kids. Fighting a pile of barf, finding shiny metal statues and totally not meeting the KKK in blue robes. It's wacky and I'm sure kids would love it either way.
 
Nintendo games, like pretty much every game, tend to make terrible adaptations. Yes, even Earthbound. Like is there really a serious demand for an Earthbound show? Or a Mirror's Edge show? This stuff does not work.
 

True Fire

Member
Nostalgia is a hell of a drug.

If you ask actual literal textbook definition children what they want to see in a television show, they'll tell you Minecraft and Frozen.
 

Hazu

Member
Nintendo games, like pretty much every game, tend to make terrible adaptations. Yes, even Earthbound. Like is there really a serious demand for an Earthbound show? Or a Mirror's Edge show? This stuff does not work.

That's not true at all. Pretty much any show can work, as long as it's well made.
 

Shauni

Member
Nintendo would have better luck making a show for their audience instead of going for the kids demographic.

Mario, Pokemon, Splatoon, Zelda, etc are things very easy to translate to kids show despite what their demographics for gaming might be. Positioning those shows for adults would not be as easy and could, potentially, tarnish the brands if the adult shows flop depending on what type of show that translates to.

Besides, nowadays with shows like Adventure Time, Regular Show and Steven Universe, creators and networks are showing they are able, open and willing to invest in shows that appeal to kids and adults, so there's no need to try and restrict any of their potential IPs in that manner.
 

Shauni

Member
Nostalgia is a hell of a drug.

If you ask actual literal textbook definition children what they want to see in a television show, they'll tell you Minecraft and Frozen.

Just because they don't want it, doesn't mean they won't accept it. Do you think kids were clamoring for a chibified, heavily comedy based version of Teen Titans? No, nobody was asking for that, or wanted it (a lot still don't want it), but it's one of Cartoon Network's most popular shows right now.
 

True Fire

Member
That's not true at all. Pretty much any show can work, as long as it's well made.

The problem is that what kids want to see in an Earthbound show would make nostalgic Earthbound purists organize mass protests. For one thing, the 80s/90s were a lot darker and grittier than 2016. Children's entertainment is a lot lighter than it used to be. Earthbound in 2016 would lose all of its edginess that 30 year old men love to salivate over.

The likely Nintendo kid's show would be Splatoon, and I'm expecting a Hollywood Zelda movie before 2020.
 

Jofamo

Member
I agree that Splatoon would make for a great tie in TV Show based on it's popularity and premise, but I feel the game doesn't really have much of a base to build off of in regards to setting, story or characters (not that it needs to, the game is perfect as is).

Mario is something that initially comes across as the obvious choice, but I think it'd be quite difficult to translate into a weekly kids cartoon show. Mario is for all intents and purposes a silent protagonist, except from the occasional Wahoo! In the past, he's had a voice in the cartoons and movies, but I think that while Nintendo may be more open to licensing their IP now, they'd be very protective about how Mario was represented. I doubt they'd let him speak now, and that severely limits a show's storytelling abilities in the long term. A way around this would be to do what SEGA did with Sonic Boom, and allow the creators to start a brand new continuity with no ties to the previous canon. But that doesn't really seem like something Nintendo would do with Mario.

In regards to concerns about Earthbounds... darker moments. A lot of the shows I highlighted in my OP have some really dark, tense moments for a kid's cartoon. Just have a look through the "Nightmare Fuel" TV Tropes sections for Adventure Time, Gravity Falls and Over the Garden Wall for some idea about what kids are quite happy to watch these days. And like I said, Earthbound is such a low key franchise that you can really skip over some stuff if you needed to. Of course the KKK stuff wouldn't quite fly, but the general concept of the cult could remain.

Ultimately this concept show, if made, would be there primarily to boost game sales on Nintendo consoles. And that would mean creating a new Earthbound game for a new generation. But I think the timing is right here, and the audience is there.
 

Shauni

Member
The problem is that what kids want to see in an Earthbound show would make nostalgic Earthbound purists organize mass protests. For one thing, the 80s/90s were a lot darker and grittier than 2016. Children's entertainment is a lot lighter than it used to be. Earthbound in 2016 would lose all of its edginess that 30 year old men love to salivate over.

The likely Nintendo kid's show would be Splatoon, and I'm expecting a Hollywood Zelda movie before 2020.

If anything, cartoons have become much darker than they were in the '80s/'90s. While some of the edgier comedy from the likes of Rocko or Ren and Stimpy has been lost, a dark psychedelic nature has been in the undertone of a lot of modern cartoons aimed at kids and a willingness to explore darker and headier themes than before.
 
Almost every Nintendo series would make a great TV show for kids to be honest (except maybe Metroid..?).

That's not true at all. Pretty much any show can work, as long as it's well made.

Well...

Anything can be turned into a kid's show if you try hard enough.

(ROBOCOP?)

Kid's will watch anything.

The point is, there is no point. You can make a kids' show out of, oh I don't know, NINETEEN EIGHTY-FOUR if you apply enough changes but at some point it makes no sense unless you are already cashing in on something kids are interested in.

A different problem altogether is, whether kids of today are really interested in cartoons anymore. Or more specifically, how did the statistics change regarding that. I think the omnipresence of internet and such reduced their interest significantly.

A different problem altogether is, whether OP's idea (which is also interpreted in some aspects by others) of aiming at something similar to what's already present on the channels of today is a good idea. Some will notice it sounds very non-Nintendo. Maybe going slightly violent again but not going deep about it is a way to get interest of kids that don't watch current cartoons?
 

Anarky

Banned
The problem is that what kids want to see in an Earthbound show would make nostalgic Earthbound purists organize mass protests. For one thing, the 80s/90s were a lot darker and grittier than 2016. Children's entertainment is a lot lighter than it used to be. Earthbound in 2016 would lose all of its edginess that 30 year old men love to salivate over.

The likely Nintendo kid's show would be Splatoon, and I'm expecting a Hollywood Zelda movie before 2020.

Have you seen Avatar, Adventure Time and Gravity Falls?

If anything they've actually gotten darker these days.
 

Shauni

Member
Well...



The point is, there is no point. You can make a kids' show out of, oh I don't know, NINETEEN EIGHTY-FOUR if you apply enough changes but at some point it makes no sense unless you are already cashing in on something kids are interested in.

A different problem altogether is, whether kids of today are really interested in cartoons anymore. Or more specifically, how did the statistics change regarding that. I think the omnipresence of internet and such reduced their interest significantly.

A different problem altogether is, whether OP's idea (which is also interpreted in some aspects by others) of aiming at something similar to what's already present on the channels of today is a good idea. Some will notice it sounds very non-Nintendo. Maybe going slightly violent again but not going deep about it is a way to get interest of kids that don't watch current cartoons?

Kids are always interested in cartoons. Just because how they ingest them now has changed doesn't mean that they aren't. I really don't think you can make a real case that they only ones watching Cartoons now are adults or young adults. I mean, I don't know, maybe there's some data you are aware that I'm not, but I would have serious doubts to that claim.
 

Ms.Galaxy

Member
I agree that Splatoon would make for a great tie in TV Show based on it's popularity and premise, but I feel the game doesn't really have much of a base to build off of in regards to setting, story or characters (not that it needs to, the game is perfect as is).

Mario is something that initially comes across as the obvious choice, but I think it'd be quite difficult to translate into a weekly kids cartoon show. Mario is for all intents and purposes a silent protagonist, except from the occasional Wahoo! In the past, he's had a voice in the cartoons and movies, but I think that while Nintendo may be more open to licensing their IP now, they'd be very protective about how Mario was represented. I doubt they'd let him speak now, and that severely limits a show's storytelling abilities in the long term. A way around this would be to do what SEGA did with Sonic Boom, and allow the creators to start a brand new continuity with no ties to the previous canon. But that doesn't really seem like something Nintendo would do with Mario.

In regards to concerns about Earthbounds... darker moments. A lot of the shows I highlighted in my OP have some really dark, tense moments for a kid's cartoon. Just have a look through the "Nightmare Fuel" TV Tropes sections for Adventure Time, Gravity Falls and Over the Garden Wall for some idea about what kids are quite happy to watch these days. And like I said, Earthbound is such a low key franchise that you can really skip over some stuff if you needed to. Of course the KKK stuff wouldn't quite fly, but the general concept of the cult could remain.

Ultimately this concept show, if made, would be there primarily to boost game sales on Nintendo consoles. And that would mean creating a new Earthbound game for a new generation. But I think the timing is right here, and the audience is there.

Some of those darker themes are what makes Earthbound, it's a game about a boy who's going out into the real world and experiencing the good and bad. You can't remove them without making it seem like something else entirely. I'm perfectly fine if they made said show, but those elements have to remain, not all but some do, and it's better they target children 11 and over in that case.

That's why I'm concerned. I know Nintendo, should they make such a show, they will try their hardest to achieve a TV-Y rating. Where Earthbound is likely to get a TV-PG, maybe TV-14, rating should it be adapted near faithfully. It had a more mature narrative than a bunch of kids going on adventures to stop a Lovecraftian alien fetus.

Also, that last part bothers me a little. The Mother series has a bit more complicated and adult narratives than some might believe. Mother 3 has plenty of people talking about consumerism, fascism, ethics, and more socio-political stuff, just to give an example. Should there be another Mother game, I want Itoi to write it or the person who writes it to understand that. But if the cartoon is the thing that brings interest, and it's a dumbed down version of Earthbound, I feel they'd based Mother 4 after that and I don't want to see that happen.
 

Fou-Lu

Member
A Mother/Earthbound cartoon with the level of writing and quirky, charming darkness of Gravity Falls or Adventure Time would be incredible. I would be all in. It'll never happen though...
 
Kids are always interested in cartoons. Just because how they ingest them now has changed doesn't mean that they aren't. I really don't think you can make a real case that they only ones watching Cartoons now are adults or young adults. I mean, I don't know, maybe there's some data you are aware that I'm not, but I would have serious doubts to that claim.

Ehhh, this is relatively hard to explain. I am by no way claiming they are not watching them at all. But I hypothesize the overall popularity of the hobby has fallen, especially in older age groups. There simply are more and more of alternatives. The whole video blog culture, for example - I simply couldn't choose to watch these while I was a kid because there weren't any my internet could handle, while my brother and his schoolmates do spend a considerable amount of time watching the Pewdiepie impersonators. I have no idea how widespread is that, but it can't have no effect whatsoever.
 

Makonero

Member
I love anything Earthbound. Gimme gimme gimme.

But how about another semi-obscure Nintendo IP? I think Punch-Out!! would be a fun cartoon. Obviously you could do much more than just boxing matches, add a quest structure to Little Mac's journey to the top and add some female characters (because I just realized how much of a sausage fest this game is haha) and you could have something fun and off the wall.

Plus we might get a new Punch-Out!! game and that'd be rockin'.
 

Oblivion

Fetishing muscular manly men in skintight hosery
Earthbound? The game where Poo had his limbs willingly ripped off by a ghost, the one where four cops beat up a kid for no real reason, the one where there's a cult that resembles the KKK and was likely based after a Japanese terrorist cult, the game that the final boss was based after Itoi's traumatic childhood memory of an adult film murder scene. There's probably a lot more I forgot to list, but Earthbound has some dark themes and subject matters hiding under that goofy, suburban American design. I'm not sure you could make a kids show with that, unless it leans more towards preteens.

Do I need to remind you that THIS got a chlidren's cartoon series as well?
 

Penguin

Member
I mean if you want you can rattle off a dozen Nintendo properties that can be an animated series.

Animal Crossing. Mario. Pikmin. Splatoon. The Wonderful 101. StarTropics. Star Fox. Wario Ware. Donkey Kong. Zelda. Metroid.

I mean would be shorter to list the ones that probably couldn't work....
 

Ms.Galaxy

Member
Previous Mario shows fell flat!? You wouldn't have had the guts to say that when Captain Lou Albano was still alive would you have?

I'll give you The Adventures of Super Mario Bros. 3 and the Super Mario Brothers Super Show to a degree, but that Super Mario World cartoon was bad.
 
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