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[Primethius]

Shorter gen though. They're outpacing last gen LTD right now.

True. But that's not going to be the case for long. You have remember that 360 really took off around Kinect. XB1 is ahead of pre-kinect 360 but won't be for long. And the XB1 doesn't really have anything in its future to provide a kinect-esque bump like the original 360 received.

A lot of last gens early sales can also be attributed to how dominated the PS2 was. It outsold 360 and PS3 quite regularly up until mid 2007. A factor that was not present at the start of this generation.

Edit: Of course, I'm operating under the assumption that Scorpio is fall 2017 and is a premium product here.

 

[BeforeU]

FordGTGuy I love you but cmon dude. read this back to yourself

Do people really fall into a thing that MS lost COD marketing?

So let me ask you a question, what do you think happened? Activision was too disgusted by Xbox so they are like screw it? We don't want your extra money? We will do marketing with Sony because PS4 is beautiful?

And Ubisoft was like nah PS4 doesn't look good for this years AC Unity so we will go with Xbox One. Same with Division.

Is this what a regular joe thinks, how deals are made?

I mean come on guys, company who will pay more gets their way. MS has been marketing COD for 6 freaking years. They probably did not see a benefit of continue doing so. COD is still associated with Xbox brand, just like MGS with PlayStation. Wasting money to promote it does not do any good when they have their own shooter to promote.

so fucking stupid, that people even think there is console warz in marketing deals. Activision, EA, Ubisoft gives no fucking rats shit. They will put and promote their game to whoever pays them money. THIS IS IT.

 

[Compsiox]

Restating 2017. Hopefully Spring, not fall. I don't want to wait that long

They don't even have a source of their own. They're just restating rumors. So don't take this as some further confirmation.

 

[Backfoggen]

Some of you could use some multi console ownership in order to reduce that war urge a little.

 

[rokkerkory]

Forbes: Will The Xbox 'Scorpio' Be The 'Xbox One Two,' Or Something Totally Different?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidth...-xbox-one-two-or-something-totally-different/

Xbox-VR... high end Xbox

2017 sounds good to me, I want more power.

 

[arhra]

I'm going to stop you right there because I can already see the PC gamers heads exploding. They don't want dynamic anything. They want total control. Total access to the exe.

Which is precisely why Apex had all those settings exposed - so the control freak types could manually disable them all.

 

[Chobel]

Shorter gen though. They're outpacing last gen LTD right now.

Because this gen is more frontloaded, thanks to the internet and whatever. Expect sales to peak this year if it's not already peaked.

 

[Compsiox]

Xbox-VR... high end Xbox

2017 sounds good to me, I want more power.

Forbes contributor.

Also they don't even have a source of their own. They're just restating rumors. So don't take this as some further confirmation.

 

[Primethius]

Restating 2017. Hopefully Spring, not fall. I don't want to wait that long

I think if the reveal is at E3, its gotta be this fall. Which would be pretty big.

 

[bidguy]

I think if the reveal is at E3, its gotta be this fall. Which would be pretty big.

then that means no hbm2 and no zen

 

[SenjutsuSage]

lolololol, that's not what happened at all. The multi console owners represent the minority. And it's even worse this time around because in both PS4 and XB1 multiplayer is paywalled, and people don't like to pay for two subs.

And PS3 was actually selling better than 360 every year (maybe not 2010), and that's the reason they were tied, not because 360 owners started suddenly adopting PS3.



Damn! If only I said there was other reasons... Wait I did, right in this sentence "Part of the reasons".

Your intent to emphasize that it had more to do with Sony messing up, rather than Microsoft also just doing a damn good job, was pretty clear no matter how you say it. The post I read avoided giving Microsoft any credit, which if it did, it would probably constitute an admission on your part that Microsoft can again make the right moves with the release of a newer system.

 

[...Scatter...]

Because this gen is more frontloaded, thanks to the internet and whatever. Expect sales to peak this year if it's not already peaked.

That's probably why both companies are dropping new systems. They didn't subsidize this gen like last gen so the hype wore of faster because the hardware was meh. VR is the wildcard. If VR tourism and porn really takes off then we'll see a whole lot more entrants into the marketplace. Also virtual meetings for business, etc. Wet just need the software.

then that means no hbm2 and no zen

Cut down Zen maybe. There are already pictures of Bristol Ridge mobos in the wild. Summit ridge coming later this year. HBM prob not.

 

[Primethius]

then that means no hbm2 and no zen

Personally, I think it's going to be one the be following situations.

Full reveal at this E3 and launch this fall.

Or full reveal at next E3 and launch next fall.

(Just based off the rumors)

Other scenarios don't really make a whole lot of sense to me as to why MS would do them. If it's fall 2017, they should just be on radio silence. No need to talk. Just play the XB1 out until next E3 as if nothing's changed.

GAF speculation doesn't mean anything and won't do anything in terms of the mainstream audience.

 

[Ushay]

Doesn't take luck at all. Release a system without controversy and a system that people love again. You people are silly that they'll NEVER SELL AGAIN!

Agreed. One thing that made me laugh when the last gen begun was how easily people wrote off Xbox (and PS3) before that. MS can do a lot of good if they do this right for both hard-core gamers and casuals.

 

[KinofChaos]

Because this gen is more frontloaded, thanks to the internet and whatever. Expect sales to peak this year if it's not already peaked.

Isn't the third year almost always the peak though? The only exception may be last gen with Kinect bumping xbox and the wii bringing it casuals. I thought that was the norm.

 

[Chris1]

Personally, I think it's going to be one the be following situations.

Full reveal at this E3 and launch this fall.

Or full reveal at next E3 and launch next fall.

(Just based off he rumors)

Other scenarios don't really make a whole lot of sense to me as to why MS would do them. If it's fall 2017, they should just be on radio silence. No need to talk. Just play the XB1 out until next E3 as if nothing's changed.

GAF speculation doesn't mean anything and won't do anything in terms of the mainstream audience.

Yea this is the only solution.

If it's revealed this year, it's coming out this year. They aren't revealing it and killing their sales over the holiday, especially when Gears etc is coming out. They aren't revealing it this E3 for a 2017 launch, Spring (lol who launches a console in Spring? Nintendo don't count) or Holiday.

And it looks like it's going to be revealed at E3, so yeah, I'm on board with the launch this year crew atm (Collin etc)

 

[blastprocessor]

Plus has had 2 great months in a row.

It's been mostly garbage indie for years and it's had 2 great months. Wonderful.

 

[SenjutsuSage]

I'm still not entirely sold on VR for gaming, to be honest. I have to see it work, and work really well, in a really well made third person title. I don't consider even a great first person game as, on its own, proving VR's worth.

 

[KinofChaos]

It's been mostly garbage indie for years and it's had 2 great months. Wonderful.

Not everyone feels that way though, there have been a lot of great games on plus.

 

[Chris1]

I'm still not entirely sold on VR for gaming, to be honest. I have to see it work, and work really well, in a really well made third person title. I don't consider even a great first person game as, on its own, proving VR's worth.

I agree I have no interest what so ever in VR nothing but a gimmick and I hope it fails badly.

Kinect was awful & ruined the later part of the 360's life and if VR takes off I could see the same happen with XB1.

 

[BeforeU]

I'm still not entirely sold on VR for gaming, to be honest. I have to see it work, and work really well, in a really well made third person title. I don't consider even a great first person game as, on its own, proving VR's worth.

I tried HTC Vive at MS store. Its absolutely going to be a thing. It needs more quality content and mass market appeal. But this is where gaming is headed, that anyone who uses will tell you.

 

[Zedox]

Personally, I think it's going to be one the be following situations.

Full reveal at this E3 and launch this fall.

Or full reveal at next E3 and launch next fall.

(Just based off he rumors)

Other scenarios don't really make a whole lot of sense to me as to why MS would do them. If it's fall 2017, they should just be on radio silence. No need to talk. Just play the XB1 out until next E3 as if nothing's changed.

GAF speculation doesn't mean anything and won't do anything in terms of the mainstream audience.

The most logical scenario with knowledge of Microsoft's plans is revealing Scorpio next spring during Microsoft's hardware event that coincides with Windows Redstone 2 release (the next big Windows 10 update), and then releasing in the fall of 2017. The spring event is going to be like last years fall event where Microsoft reveals 1st party hardware. E3, you'll see more games about it, and fall is when it will be released.

 

[SnowFlakeCake]

As someone that had not followed Scorpio or Neo much, what's the general consensus on an eventual PS5 or Xbox 2? I don't mind putting down money for a Neo this year for example, but if an XB2 or PS5 will eventually come in say another 3 years time, keeping my current PS4 seems to be the way to go.

I wouldn't mind GT Sport, Gears, GOW etc looking better for a few hundred quid

 

[Chris1]

The most logical scenario with knowledge of Microsoft's plans is revealing Scorpio next spring during Microsoft's hardware event that coincides with Windows Redstone 2 release (the next big Windows 10 update), and then releasing in the fall of 2017. The spring event is going to be like last years fall event where Microsoft reveals 1st party hardware. E3, you'll see more games about it, and fall is when it will be released.

I agree with you if it's a 2017 release.

But Xbox E3 has VR sections, MS hinting at it and telling their story at E3 etc. Everything is pointing towards it being revealed at E3.

They can't just go "oh uhh we're bringing out a more powerful xbox for VR, here are the games, stay tuned next year for more information on the hardware!"

 

[Obscuritas]

All I'm saying is getting back the regions that made the 360 a 80M seller is all they need.

Yeah, you are describing the exact "dream scenario" as long as we are talking about the hardware numbers.

 

[anothertech]

lol... yea, it had absolutely nothing at all to do with Microsoft also making a bunch of good moves on their end.

Correct, it had everything to do with the combination of MS making good choices, and Sony really fcking up.

Which is funny because 2013 it was exact opposite, and mass exodus from Xbox userbase happened.

Which is why most of us are saying this time around, no matter how many good decisions both companies make, it's not going to tilt the market share whatsoever. Someone has to fck up royally to have that kind of effect. And that is not likely to happen no matter the hardware specs.

 

[icespide]

Do people really fall into a thing that MS lost COD marketing?

So let me ask you a question, what do you think happened? Activision was too disgusted by Xbox so they are like screw it? We don't want your extra money? We will do marketing with Sony because PS4 is beautiful?

And Ubisoft was like nah PS4 doesn't look good for this years AC Unity so we will go with Xbox One. Same with Division.

Is this what a regular joe thinks, how deals are made?

I mean come on guys, company who will pay more gets their way. MS has been marketing COD for 6 freaking years. They probably did not see a benefit of continue doing so. COD is still associated with Xbox brand, just like MGS with PlayStation. Wasting money to promote it does not do any good when they have their own shooter to promote.

so fucking stupid, that people even think there is console warz in marketing deals. Activision, EA, Ubisoft gives no fucking rats shit. They will put and promote their game to whoever pays them money. THIS IS IT.

you make some good points. I was wrong. stop yelling at me

 

[Chobel]

Your intent to emphasize that it had more to do with Sony messing up, rather than Microsoft also just doing a damn good job, was pretty clear no matter how you say it. The post I read avoided giving Microsoft any credit, which if it did, it would probably constitute an admission on your part that Microsoft can again make the right moves with the release of a newer system.

lol, I'm not even sure how you come up with all that shit from my one post.

Here's the thing I was arguing with gamz: "Xbox can be popular as 360", 360 was popular because of: 1 year start, Sony fuck ups and some other reasons.

I don't care about "the other reasons" because even if MS managed to replicate the same circumstances and conditions of these reasons, they're still not gonna replicate "Sony fuck ups", not by themselves anyway. So because Sony fuck ups are absent now, that means a achieving 360 popularity is pretty much impossible.

So in the other way, me talking about these "other reasons" is not gonna change my argument.

 

[...Scatter...]

you make some good points. I was wrong. stop yelling at me

LOL we have a thread first. Someone admitting they were wrong. I feel like balloons should drop from the ceiling and you should get an award for being a good human. Yay!

 

[KinofChaos]

All I'm saying is getting back the regions that made the 360 a 80M seller is all they need.
board.

How would they do that exactly? You make it sound like it is easy for MS to outsell sony again by 20 + million in the US.....it took MS making good moves, sony making a lot of bad ones, and being more expensive and late to the market. The chances of all those stars aligning again are slim. Nothing is impossible but it sure is improbable.

 

[Primethius]

you make some good points. I was wrong. stop yelling at me

He's not entirely right. Deals just don't go away because MS didn't want it anymore. It was likely a lot of things, including PS4s more dominating position and eventual bundling with the game.

After all, sure CoD was more associated with MS for 6 years. But at the end of the day, that all disappeared with BO3. It's no longer an Xbox associated brand. And I don't find it plausible that MS would give up such an association so easily.

 

[Captain Tuttle]

Plenty of people have pcs that can run tomorrow's xbox games at some capacity. Bringing the games to pc will have a huge influence on potential buyers, lol.

That is some wishful thinking friend

 

[jaypah]

I vote that we all agree that MS will never be as popular again, because that discussion is literally going nowhere.

 

[Kazuma Kiryu]

Shorter gen though. They're outpacing last gen LTD right now.

By right now, you mean January 2016?

 

[Chobel]

Do people really fall into a thing that MS lost COD marketing?

So let me ask you a question, what do you think happened? Activision was too disgusted by Xbox so they are like screw it? We don't want your extra money? We will do marketing with Sony because PS4 is beautiful?

And Ubisoft was like nah PS4 doesn't look good for this years AC Unity so we will go with Xbox One. Same with Division.

Is this what a regular joe thinks, how deals are made?

I mean come on guys, company who will pay more gets their way. MS has been marketing COD for 6 freaking years. They probably did not see a benefit of continue doing so. COD is still associated with Xbox brand, just like MGS with PlayStation. Wasting money to promote it does not do any good when they have their own shooter to promote.

so fucking stupid, that people even think there is console warz in marketing deals. Activision, EA, Ubisoft gives no fucking rats shit. They will put and promote their game to whoever pays them money. THIS IS IT.

Some deals involves more than just straight cash payment, something like lower platform royalties or a cut of XBLG/PS+ subscriptions (And I believe CoD actually used the later). PS4 having way bigger install base (=console warz) means Sony can easily outbid MS in these types of deals.

 

[BeforeU]

you make some good points. I was wrong. stop yelling at me

lol not yelling bruh, we cool.

He's not entirely right. Deals just don't go away because MS didn't want it anymore. It was likely a lot of things, including PS4s more dominating position and eventual bundling with the game.

After all, sure CoD was more associated with MS for 6 years. But at the end of the day, that all disappeared with BO3. It's no longer an Xbox associated brand. And I don't find it plausible that MS would give up such an association so easily.

again dude. So why is Fallout, Division, Assasins, Battlefied 1 etc. promoting their game with MS?

Xbox is such a failure, PS4 is the king. MS must be losing every franchise. Phil must be literally begging and going around with blank checks.

 

[bishoptl]

Does SFV performing worse then any other generation make the PS4 a failure? Nope.

...what?

 

[InquisitorAles]

LOL we have a thread first. Someone admitting they were wrong. I feel like balloons should drop from the ceiling and you should get an award for being a good human. Yay!

And this is just first 152 pages of thread. I'm excited to see what discussion we will have 150 pages later.

 

[Primethius]

lol not yelling bruh, we cool.



again dude. So why is Fallout, Division, Assasins, Battlefied 1 etc. promoting their game with MS?

Xbox is such a failure, PS4 is the king. MS must be losing every franchise. Phil must be literally begging and going around with blank checks.

I mean, there could be a multitude of reasons. Let's look at one.

Someone comes up to you and says you have all these games with which to bundle with your console. Which do you choose?

I'm pretty sure everyone would choose CoD.

 

[FordGTGuy]

...what?

It was a point evolving off of his.

Both are nonsensical, which was the point I'm making.

 

[Moreche]

Kinect killed the Xbox brand for me.
They promised so much with advertising and E3 videos and on stage demos but not once did anything transfer into my living room. It was garbage.
I gave the Xbox One a chance but the only reason to own one is Ori and maybe Cuphead.
I would love Ori on PS but it'll never happen and if Cuphead is successful, I feel someone will transfer the artstyle and gameplay to something else just as good.
The only thing that'll make me pick up a Microsoft console again is if Forza improves even more because Gran Tursimo looks like a franchise going downhill if GT Sport reveals are anything to go by.

 

[...Scatter...]

Protect your neck

Can't you just smell new consoles on the horizon. LOL

 

[FordGTGuy]

Kinect killed the Xbox brand for me.
They promised so much with advertising and E3 videos and on stage demos but not once did anything transfer into my living room. It was garbage.
I gave the Xbox One a chance but the only reason to own one is Ori and maybe Cuphead.
I would love Ori on PS but it'll never happen and if Cuphead is successful, I feel someone will transfer the artstyle and gameplay to something else just as good.
The only thing that'll make me pick up a Microsoft console again is if Forza improves even more because Gran Tursimo looks like a franchise going downhill if GT Sport reveals are anything to go by.

You're kind of missing out if you think Ori and Cuphead are the only reasons to own one.

 

[AndvariVII]

so do we know a more definite release date for the NEO

 

[justsomeguy]

so do we know a more definite release date for the NEO

We know nothing

 

[W.S.]

Games won't magically upscale. Would require a patch from dev.

The point of dynamic scaling is that it drops resolution when it detects performance is getting bad. With better hardware that should happen less and they'll likely maintain 1080p. Same with Neo.

You're right that without a patch it won't magically be 4K though. And when games set a static resolution, that would also require a patch.

Would be nice to see patches go out by this time, hopefully it happens.

 

[...Scatter...]

You don't just print a CREATIVE CHATTER shirt and pose for pictures without having something. Right? Right??

 

[EGM1966]

I vote that we all agree that MS will never be as popular again, because that discussion is literally going nowhere.

Discussion based on rumours of target specs for devices not even announced that may not release for over 12 months literally couldn't go anywhere anyway. I've never seen such a long thread extrapolating so many "maybes" from so little known facts. It's pointless.

Folks should be Ali thread paying their respects instead of playing guessing games with no definite facts.

 

[jaypah]

You don't just print a CREATIVE CHATTER shirt and pose for pictures without having something. Right? Right??

Well...I mean, yeah? We still don't have Battle Toads or Crash. But Phil would have to know that the creative chatter shirt is a bad idea if they don't have a hand to play.

Discussion based on rumours of target specs for devices not even announced that may not release for over 12 months literally couldn't go anywhere anyway. I've never seen such a long thread extrapolating so many "maybes" from so little known facts. It's pointless.

Folks should be Ali thread paying their respects instead of playing guessing games with no definite facts.

It would have been crass to just say burn the thread.

 

[ekim]

You don't just print a CREATIVE CHATTER shirt and pose for pictures without having something. Right? Right??

It oozes confidence for sure.