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[eyeball_kid]

With 50+ million PS4s sold through to consumers by the time this thing comes out I doubt many developers would make a game that suffers on a standard PS4 more than they already do right now.

I'm not suggesting games will immediately be sloppy on the PS4, but the historical arc of a console where the end-of-gen games squeeze amazing things out of the hardware will be a thing of the past. Studios won't bother making technical wonders on the PS4 because by then it'll be two gens old.

 

[DragonKnight]

I'm not suggesting games will immediately be sloppy on the PS4, but the historical arc of a console where the end-of-gen games squeeze amazing things out of the hardware will be a thing of the past. Studios won't bother making technical wonders on the PS4 because by then it'll be two gens old.

Which sounds like time for an upgrade by that point anyway so.whats the big deal?

 

[thuway]

Do you guys really not see why Sony would launch Neo at $499/$599?

1. The PS4. The PS4 sales would literally fall of a cliff if Neo were to launch at $399. Dropping PS4's price to $299/249 and selling a Neo at $499/599 would offer two tiers and two VASTLY different market sectors.

2. The PS4 Neo if they went with the $599 option- would perform >3X PS4 if you include the CPU enhancements into the machine.

3. Switching to an all new CPU, motherboard, GPU, etc. costs money.

The idea of a $499 Jaguar/$599 Zen might be unattractive, but it's a possibility that should be entertained. Ultimately, Sony will make the choice irrespective of what I write, but I think it should atleast be entertained.

 

[DagnastyEp]

I think people need to keep their expectations in check. As far as we know, the specs haven't changed since last month when multiple sites/sources reported them. Now it seems the discussion has shifted to Neo getting GPU upclock and using a different CPU (Zen), with no evidence to back either up. I'm expecting Neo will release this year, with the same specs as have been rumored - which are great for a mid-gen upgraded console.

 

[DragonKnight]

Do you guys really not see why Sony would launch Neo at $499/$599?

1. The PS4. The PS4 sales would literally fall of a cliff if Neo were to launch at $399. Dropping PS4's price to $299/249 and selling a Neo at $499/599 would offer two tiers and two VASTLY different market sectors.

2. The PS4 Neo if they went with the $599 option- would perform >3X PS4 if you include the CPU enhancements into the machine.

3. Switching to an all new CPU, motherboard, GPU, etc. costs money.

The idea of a $499 Jaguar/$599 Zen might be unattractive, but it's a possibility that should be entertained. Ultimately, Sony will make the choice irrespective of what I write, but I think it should atleast be entertained.

A PS4k is still a PS4 and it has the benefit of making sony more money than the base model so this tenet of logic doesnt make much sense.

 

[GaimeGuy]

The neo is being made because the regular PS4 can't handle VR. The PS4 is so much weaker than a VR--ready PC.

 

[DieH@rd]

Thuway, you need to relax.

$399 Neo is still most realistic option, with it they could leave everything as is and just pop-in new APU in the motherboard [and clock the ram up].

After the price drop for PS4 [and eventual PS4 Slim], everyone will be served with hardware they want to get.

Too much speculation can build unrealistic expectations, and then anything gets announced can lead to dissapointment. We have solid rumors about what PS4K was at the time devs got devkits, I am not expecting anything else.

 

[wapplew]

That thread title change, as if there are not enough controversy already.

 

[thuway]

A PS4k is still a PS4 and it has the benefit of making sony more money than the base model so this tenet of logic doesnt make much sense.

No it doesn't. There is a floor for how much you can drop the price. Besides, if Sony launches Neo at $399 it will in some very real way cannibalize PS4 sales. However, opting to include a $599 Neo and a $299 PS4 will allow both to coexist and be marketable to two vastly different groups.

 

[DeepEnigma]

The neo is being made because the regular PS4 can't handle VR. The PS4 is so much weaker than a VR--ready PC.

It never gets old, does it.

 

[The God]

Its the smartphone marketed being copied here.

ok

If people go to PC it's because it's better to own a PC than a console imitating cellphones*

 

[icespide]

The neo is being made because the regular PS4 can't handle VR. The PS4 is so much weaker than a VR--ready PC.

why are people still spreading this FUD? PSVR is fine on the PS4

 

[Omnistalgic]

I'm not suggesting games will immediately be sloppy on the PS4, but the historical arc of a console where the end-of-gen games squeeze amazing things out of the hardware will be a thing of the past. Studios won't bother making technical wonders on the PS4 because by then it'll be two gens old.

It’s literally only like a handful of studios that even do that though man, often times first party.

If anyone is going to squeeze out something on PS4, it’s going to be a Sony or maybe Rockstar since they doing make that many games and are usually on point with there optimization for platforms.

 

[geordiemp]

The neo is being made because the regular PS4 can't handle VR. The PS4 is so much weaker than a VR--ready PC.

Exactly, every PSVR demo at the trade shows had a hidden Titan X under the table dat no one could see.

Although I can imagine a game like elite dangerous needing some oomph if it comes to Ps4.

 

[StrongBlackVine]

Do you guys really not see why Sony would launch Neo at $499/$599?

1. The PS4. The PS4 sales would literally fall of a cliff if Neo were to launch at $399. Dropping PS4's price to $299/249 and selling a Neo at $499/599 would offer two tiers and two VASTLY different market sectors.

2. The PS4 Neo if they went with the $599 option- would perform >3X PS4 if you include the CPU enhancements into the machine.

3. Switching to an all new CPU, motherboard, GPU, etc. costs money.

The idea of a $499 Jaguar/$599 Zen might be unattractive, but it's a possibility that should be entertained. Ultimately, Sony will make the choice irrespective of what I write, but I think it should atleast be entertained.

$499 with a Jaguar is rip-off and I see no way to justify it other than profit margins. Sometimes premium models have huge built-in profit margins, but this would be bit much. I see no way the components would cost more than $400 on high end of estimates. I mean the Jaguar was cheap 3 years ago.

 

[DragonKnight]

No it doesn't. There is a floor for how much you can drop the price. Besides, if Sony launches Neo at $399 it will in some very real way cannibalize PS4 sales. However, opting to include a $599 Neo and a $299 PS4 will allow both to coexist and be marketable to two vastly different groups.

So youre saying that the Neo would cannabalise ps4 sales if it was priced comparably to the base model? I do not see how Sony sees this as an issue if by cannabalise you mean people buy ps4ks instead of ps4s. Who complains that customers are now buying their newer, pricer hardware as opposed to the cheaper base model?

 

[DeepEnigma]

No it doesn't. There is a floor for how much you can drop the price. Besides, if Sony launches Neo at $399 it will in some very real way cannibalize PS4 sales. However, opting to include a $599 Neo and a $299 PS4 will allow both to coexist and be marketable to two vastly different groups.

There is no 'canibalization', they are both PS4's, which play the same software.

This is partially happening because those chips in the PS4 now, will eventually no longer be fab'ed due to Finfet switching. They can't care less which one you buy, if both boxes are profitable per unit.

You are better than this.

So youre saying that the Neo would cannabalise ps4 sales if it was priced comparably to the base model? I do not see how Sony sees this as an issue if by cannabalise you mean people buy ps4ks instead of ps4s. Who complains that customers are now buying their newer, pricer hardware as opposed to the cheaper base model?

Which plays the same software, spending money within their same network/ecosystem.

Apple is motherfucking their their cannibal consumers.

 

[PLASTICA-MAN]

No it doesn't. There is a floor for how much you can drop the price. Besides, if Sony launches Neo at $399 it will in some very real way cannibalize PS4 sales. However, opting to include a $599 Neo and a $299 PS4 will allow both to coexist and be marketable to two vastly different groups.

Launching the PS3 at 599$ didn't stop it from being sold until it got price drops. If the regular PS4 gets a price cut (or more price cuts in time), launching the PS4 Neo at 599$ and considreing it a premium product won't hurt the regular PS4 sales. Even the PS4 Neo will get price drops in the future. Both products could sell well if Sony manages great prices for both and very adequate hardware for the PS4 Neo to justify its launch price.

 

[icespide]

Sony will never price anything $599 again ever

 

[Skux]

How is it that people are concerned about PS4 sales cannibalising PS4 sales lol

 

[blastprocessor]

$599 ?!

Are you guys crazy?

 

[Fallout-with-swords]

If the Neo can play most games at 60fps I think I'll upgrade from the standard PS4 to the Neo instead of building a PC. PC parts are way to expensive in Canada now due to our dollar.

 

[DragonKnight]

How is it that people are concerned about PS4 sales cannibalising PS4 sales lol

Maybe we arent quite understanding thuways meaning.

 

[PLASTICA-MAN]

Sony will never price anything $599 again ever

I agree. The maximum launch price for the PS4 Neo would be 549$ if they consider upgrading everything.

 

[Deleted member 471617]

Simply amazing that Sony seems to be so intent on screwing themselves over and killing all the momentum and good will that they have built up over the last three years. *smh*

 

[The Lamp]

Thank you to all the people who buy the new iPhone with negligible differences every year for inspiring the game market to adopt your crazy buying habits.

I guess I'm buying a Neo next year.

 

[Marty Chinn]

So youre saying that the Neo would cannabalise ps4 sales if it was priced comparably to the base model? I do not see how Sony sees this as an issue if by cannabalise you mean people buy ps4ks instead of ps4s. Who complains that customers are now buying their newer, pricer hardware as opposed to the cheaper base model?

Well, two angles where Sony would have an issue.

1) Keeping manufacturing both of them probably costs more than just manufacturing one of them so if sales are dramatically in favor of one unit over the other, that's not being optimal with their production run and could be problematic stock wise for shelf space.

2) Sony makes less money on the Neo than the PS4, so everyone shifting towards the Neo means they make less money overall because they were expecting higher sales of the PS4.

As a platform, it doesn't really matter which one you buy, but from a business perspective, there can be some issues if Sony is projecting one thing, but the market ends up doing something different.

 

[geordiemp]

Do you guys really not see why Sony would launch Neo at $499/$599?

1. The PS4. The PS4 sales would literally fall of a cliff if Neo were to launch at $399. Dropping PS4's price to $299/249 and selling a Neo at $499/599 would offer two tiers and two VASTLY different market sectors.

2. The PS4 Neo if they went with the $599 option- would perform >3X PS4 if you include the CPU enhancements into the machine.

3. Switching to an all new CPU, motherboard, GPU, etc. costs money.

The idea of a $499 Jaguar/$599 Zen might be unattractive, but it's a possibility that should be entertained. Ultimately, Sony will make the choice irrespective of what I write, but I think it should atleast be entertained.

No, I see the following options

1. $ 399 Neo with Jaguar and 4.2 TF. Purpose ?

2. A $ 499 Neo with Jaguar 4.2 TF and sony trying to make some profit.

3. A $ 499 Neo with Zen at 4.2 TF. A machine that runs games at 60 FPS.

4. A $ 599 Neo with zen at 6 TF. A scorpio fist fight, for what purpose I dont know ?

Only option 1 (what has been leaked) is most probable and I am not sure if its worth the upgrade. It wont make games run any better really, we certainly wont get Uc4 at 60 FPS,

Option 3 would be the smart choice to keep all enthusiast Ps4 players locked into PSN for another 3 years.

The other options are dumb as hell and will certainly help MS gain some share.

I am an enthusiast console gamer, have 3 Ps4 in the family (2 in house), 2 PSN subs, buy about 35 games a year phusical + digitally at full price, lots of season passes, will buy VR.

And yet there is a chance I will go Scorpio if Sony go weak on Neo. Jaguar has had its day for me.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Simply amazing that Sony seems to be so intent on screwing themselves over and killing all the momentum and good will that they have built up over the last three years. *smh*

Yeah, it's almost as if the OG PS4 will no longer exist, at more attractive pricing to boot.

Genuine question for Thuway: Are you being serious with your posts today? They seem out of character! (dare I say sarcastic?)

All I know is this is the weirdest hardware thread I remember at GAF.

Exactly my thought. Not to mentioned incited some crazy $599 talk which people were ready to jump of the edge with. Come on. The 'leaks' still state $499 max. Show me another leak updated, stating a higher pricing model?

Because right now it made for some slight hysteria. Ironically he has been ignoring my posts to him with the $499 max quote, more than once in this thread.

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

Genuine question for Thuway: Are you being serious with your posts today? They seem out of character! (dare I say sarcastic?)

All I know is this is the weirdest hardware thread I remember at GAF.

 

[bigboss370]

Do you guys really not see why Sony would launch Neo at $499/$599?

1. The PS4. The PS4 sales would literally fall of a cliff if Neo were to launch at $399. Dropping PS4's price to $299/249 and selling a Neo at $499/599 would offer two tiers and two VASTLY different market sectors.

lol, they're both PS4s. There will be no cliff dropping.

 

[DragonKnight]

Well, two angles where Sony would have an issue.

1) Keeping manufacturing both of them probably costs more than just manufacturing one of them so if sales are dramatically in favor of one unit over the other, that's not being optimal with their production run and could be problematic stock wise for shelf space.

2) Sony makes less money on the Neo than the PS4, so everyone shifting towards the Neo means they make less money overall because they were expecting higher sales of the PS4.

As a platform, it doesn't really matter which one you buy, but from a business perspective, there can be some issues if Sony is projecting one thing, but the market ends up doing something different.

If the ps4k takes off to the degree to which you suggest both these problems are solved. High customer demand for the ps4k means that sony can phase out the base model and high sales of the ps4k will drive down the BOM, a savings which will be passed on to consumers.

 

[AmyS]

Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but I think something Andrew House said may be significant.

“It is intended to sit alongside and complement the standard PS4,” he said. “We will be selling both [versions] through the life cycle.”

Not that it would be any surprise, and perhaps he didn't mean anything else by it, but "through the life cycle" could be interpreted that he's sure there will be a PS5 life cycle also

 

[DragonKnight]

Maybe I'm reading into it too much but, I think something Andrew House said may be significant



Not that it would be any surprise, and perhaps he didn't mean anything else by it, but through the life cycle could be interpreted that he's sure there will be a PS5 life cycle also

Of course there will be. The ps4 is a roaring success.

 

[wapplew]

Genuine question for Thuway: Are you being serious with your posts today? They seem out of character! (dare I say sarcastic?)

All I know is this is the weirdest hardware thread I remember at GAF.

I guess we still not at acceptance phase with Neo yet.
Look at Scorpio thread, much peaceful, real acceptance there, no debate just hope and dreams.

 

[icespide]

I guess we still not at acceptance phase with Neo yet.
Look at Scorpio thread, much peaceful, real acceptance there, no debate just hope and dreams.

lol

 

[AmyS]

Of course there will be. The ps4 is a roaring success.

I know. Yay

 

[gundamkyoukai]

No it doesn't. There is a floor for how much you can drop the price. Besides, if Sony launches Neo at $399 it will in some very real way cannibalize PS4 sales. However, opting to include a $599 Neo and a $299 PS4 will allow both to coexist and be marketable to two vastly different groups.

Do you think Sony care if it cannibalize PS4 sales .
At the end of the day they get a sales and that is what they want.

 

[imjust1n]

Why do everyone on here only wanting consoles to be shown at E3? People got all upset because no NX at E3 now no Neo and people are like nope not watching lol. You do realize that this confrence is about games and really that's what it should be all about. Not video game consoles.

 

[geordiemp]

Well, two angles where Sony would have an issue.

As a platform, it doesn't really matter which one you buy, but from a business perspective, there can be some issues if Sony is projecting one thing, but the market ends up doing something different.

Sony have to also factor in the loss to MS if Neo does not cater to the enthusiast console gamer. MS lost allot of 360 gamers to Ps4, some will go back if Neo does not deliver.

Now, I have 3 Ps4, 2 PSN subs, buy about 35 games a year - If I go back to MS, thats more than 50, 100 $ differences in Neo console options lol.

 

[DragonKnight]

I guess we still not at acceptance phase with Neo yet.
Look at Scorpio thread, much peaceful, real acceptance there, no debate just hope and dreams.

To be fair no one is really arguing. At least Im not.

 

[Servbot24]

$599 ?!

Are you guys crazy?

Should at least be $500 imo. Will let the hardcore have higher specs, and people who bought the $300 sku will feel like they still got a good value.

 

[blastprocessor]

4. A $ 599 Neo with zen at 6 TF. A scorpio fist fight, for what purpose I dont know ?

When the PS4 was released it was with a mid-range GPU for the time at $399. A 6tf GPU will become mid-range by the time Vega/1080ti is released. A $200 markup on a midrange box is DOA.

 

[coiler]

599 is the level of GTX 1080, you would need to be mad to buy a much weaker console insed.

 

[DragonKnight]

Why do everyone on here only wanting consoles to be shown at E3? People got all upset because no NX at E3 now no Neo and people are like nope not watching lol. You do realize that this confrence is about games and really that's what it should be all about. Not video game consoles.

There will always be games every year. New hardware reveals only happen every three or so.

Its deflating to have hype going into e3 hoping that new hardware was gonna be shown just to have the rug pulled out from under that idea. Announced games will be awesome for sure but a ton of people were really.hoping to see.new hardware.

 

[Marty Chinn]

If the ps4k takes off to the degree to which you suggest both these problems are solved. High customer demand for the ps4k means that sony can phase out the base model and high sales of the ps4k will drive down the BOM, a savings which will be passed on to consumers.

These aren't some end of the world issues; but to say Sony wouldn't have any reason to care would be false. There are business angles where it could hurt Sony even though they're selling a PlayStation platform regardless. It's just like how they'll remove a port from something where people will throw their arms up on how they would remove a $1 part from the system when that $1 part means millions in the bigger picture. So there is certainly a balance that Sony needs to practice with their plan to keep both platforms on the market to co-exist. I would have thought they would have just replaced it when it was first announced, so it'll be interesting to see what their strategy is when it comes to pricing and ratio of shipments.

 

[Servbot24]

No it doesn't. There is a floor for how much you can drop the price. Besides, if Sony launches Neo at $399 it will in some very real way cannibalize PS4 sales.

Isn't that what Sony wants? I doubt they have any intention of telling people to buy both consoles at once.

 

[The Last One]

Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but I think something Andrew House said may be significant.



Not that it would be any surprise, and perhaps he didn't mean anything else by it, but "through the life cycle" could be interpreted that he's sure there will be a PS5 life cycle also

He's also making sure that the PS4Neo isn't a thing that will replace the base model. And yes, there'll be a PS5. (maybe with a different name but that doesn't matter).

 

[PLASTICA-MAN]

Its is obvious that PS4 can't read UHD Blurays since it doesn't have an UHD Bluray reader. Last time I wanted to watch a 4K video on the PS4 using the Media Player but it couldn't read it. I don't think reading 4K videos needs a new hardware, an update would be enough.
I think Sony is keeping everything 4K for the PS4 Neo. With such intentions, I don't think Sony would scamp the PS4 Neo and neglect it. They would do their best to make it sell well (even better than the regular PS4, if they could).

 

[DragonKnight]

599 is the level of GTX 1080, you would need to be mad to buy a much weaker console insed.

General consumers knows nothing about these sorts of things especially when the base model will still be able to play the same games. Games that look like how Uncharted 4 looks.which is still.nothing to sneeze at.