Wow.
You can't make every game include every group of people as playable characters.
Blizzard stated that they're trying to make Overwatch's cast diverse and inclusive, nothing wrong with pointing out ways they could do an even better job.
Wow.
You can't make every game include every group of people as playable characters.
And i'm sure introducing a older female character would bring that whole thing down, people would burn down their copies, riot on the streets, stop playing completely I'd bet.
Or you know, it would sell just as much or more?
You also forget my entire point. Their "initial creative vision" was created from the beggining to be appealing to a audience. Again, not made in a vacuum.
After hearing all of this stuff about the game made me really glad that I didn't buy it.
No prob, I want to check it out now, those are some cool character designs.No problem fam
I literally cannot answer this question without spoiling the game for you
Sorry
No prob, I want to check it out now, those are some cool character designs.
Wow.
You can't make every game include every group of people as playable characters.
Blizzard stated that they're trying to make Overwatch's cast diverse and inclusive, nothing wrong with pointing out ways they could do an even better job.
I want a race where the man is young, handsome and in shape and the woman is a huge, old, hideous hulking monstrosity.
Would be cool (no sarcasm)
The Last Remnant.
This is Emmy Honeywell
This is her mom Emma (the one who i posted before)
As you can see they literally have the same body.
Its not an age thing in my opinion because it doesn't look out of place.
But it is a design thing. They could have changed one of them somewhat.
I think it's fine to cheer for characters of this type to be added in subsequent updates, which is why I think this discussion has it's purpose, but bemoaning the fact that the current cast includes no older ladies isn't very productive IMO, especially when most of them (aside from Mei) are well justified (contrary to what the OP argues). At that point, your options are to try and peer behind the veil and guess at who could've been "made older" (and go against the character's intended design) or cut characters to fit in others that satisfy this condition. Both of these options I am not thrilled about and both attempt to force the developer's hand in a strange way.
Going forward I'd be totally fine with a new character that happens to be a female robot or middle aged women. I'm not a fan of tinkering with the current cast in an attempt to diversify though.
Well, the point the OP is making (I think), is that with the multitude of female characters in the game, at least one of them could be "older".Wow.
You can't make every game include every group of people as playable characters.
Then someone would complain that only a misogynist would make women look like that. There is no wining.
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I think it's fine to cheer for characters of this type to be added in subsequent updates, which is why I think this discussion has it's purpose, but bemoaning the fact that the current cast includes no older ladies isn't very productive IMO, especially when most of them (aside from Mei) are well justified (contrary to what the OP argues). At that point, your options are to try and peer behind the veil and guess at who could've been "made older" (and go against the character's intended design) or cut characters to fit in others that satisfy this condition. Both of these options I am not thrilled about and both attempt to force the developer's hand in a strange way.
Going forward I'd be totally fine with a new character that happens to be a female robot or middle aged women. I'm not a fan of tinkering with the current cast in an attempt to diversify though.
yes, it's very common in fighting games too. I used this as part of an essay I did for uni.
Female characters in games are, most of the time, some variation of the hourglass form. Whereas male characters can be conventionally attractive, can be roided out, can be hugely overweight, can be grotesquely shaped.
It's very obvious in Street Fighter V:
The entire cast is incredibly muscular, but notice the male body shapes vs. the female body shapes. If you removed their identifying character traits, the women would appear the same while the men would not.
Then someone would complain that only a misogynist would make women look like that. There is no wining.
Relevant comic [NSFW]
Is that what this thread is about? It reads more like a polemic on Blizzard because they have some secret agenda to make all women attractive. Way less constructive, although admittedly more attention-grabbing. So maybe more effective?
I kind of feel like it's the other way around. They didn't make Emma look like Emmy, in that they gave her the same body as Emmy; they clearly just copied Emmy from Emma. Emmy is barely even a character. It's extremely obvious that Emmy only exists for gameplay reasons,.since Emma dies fighting the main villain and you need a replacement
Really? Shit, you must be completely abstaining from gaming as a whole, then.
Overwatch's treatment of women is better than 95% of what's out there right now, so I'm guessing you're either a hypocrite or a liar.
I was thinking of that as well. Blizzard design in general suffers from the "babeification" of female non-humans.
Is that what this thread is about? It reads more like a polemic on Blizzard because they have some secret agenda to make all women attractive. Way less constructive, although admittedly more attention-grabbing. So maybe more effective?
If you read the OP what gets bemoaned is the contrived reasons that they wrote for almost all of the female characters to keep them all young. I'm fine with the character's designs as they are, but the reasoning on the writing is really bad.
Yeah, WoW is pretty good about that imo. Female Orcs are plenty "Orcish". Same goes for female Dwarves and Tauren.Eh... but they also "manify" non-humans.
Like a male tuaren has just as many human features as a female tauren.
Its not like the male tauren looks like a bull walking around on all fours
I think Blizzard (at least in WoW) gives both genders equal treatment when giving them human features.
To be fair, many of these female characters are actually as old as some of their male counterparts so it's not like they'd be shoe-horning older women into the game, they're there. If anything, the excuses for why they haven't aged feel more shoe-horned and forced than anything else (at least if the descriptions in the OP are accurate, I haven't played the game myself).
In the grand scheme of things, at least in terms of videogame logic, it's really not that bad. Cryostasis and time travel are pretty inoffensive in terms of logic leaps.If you read the OP what gets bemoaned is the contrived reasons that they wrote for almost all of the female characters to keep them all young. I'm fine with the character's designs as they are, but the reasoning on the writing is really bad.
No need to apologize, but Blizzard's treatment of the issue is far more inclusive than pretty much everyone else in the arena right now. Overwatch is incredibly diverse compared to most videogames on the market right now.Okay my post was pretty bad and maybe I should explain.
It feels like they're doing a good job in making Overwatch diverse in a lot of ways, but at the same time with threads like these, it seems like the job could've been a lot better and maybe Blizzard didn't of it in the first place with people pointing out the flaws a lot more. It seems I hear more saying they need to do a lot more, which made me write my post in the first place.
I apologize for my post.
Eh... but they also "manify" non-humans.
Like a male tuaren has just as many human features as a female tauren.
Its not like the male tauren looks like a bull walking around on all fours
I think Blizzard (at least in WoW) gives both genders equal treatment when giving them human features.
In the Alpha version of the game, races such as the Tauren and the trolls had more similarity between genders than difference: facial structure, body shape, posture, and even choice of accessories were more similar than not (Fig. 8). Apparently there were many complaints about the women of both races being “ugly” and so the developers changed them into their current incarnations.
But yeah, Emma was the real MVP
In the grand scheme of things, at least in terms of videogame logic, it's really not that bad. Cryostasis and time travel are pretty inoffensive in terms of logic leaps.
You could argue that the writing could avoid the excuses altogether, but as they currently are, I don't think there's anything necessarily wrong with the explanations.
It's more like, in this instance, they have perfectly valid reasons for representing older women but created convenient backstories to keep them younger than expected.
In the grand scheme of things, at least in terms of videogame logic, it's really not that bad. Cryostasis and time travel are pretty inoffensive in terms of logic leaps.
You could argue that the writing could avoid the excuses altogether, but as they currently are, I don't think there's anything necessarily wrong with the explanations.
The world is set in the far future, where both of these explanations are perfectly reasonable.
No need to apologize, but Blizzard's treatment of the issue is far more inclusive than pretty much everyone else in the arena right now. Overwatch is incredibly diverse compared to most videogames on the market right now.
It's kinda like when someone has a young Hillary Clinton avatar instead of how she looks now.
It's kinda like when someone has a young Hillary Clinton avatar instead of how she looks now.
If you read the OP what gets bemoaned is the contrived reasons that they wrote for almost all of the female characters to keep them all young. I'm fine with the character's designs as they are, but the reasoning on the writing is really bad.
Yeah.Just so I understand... In a game that makes a point of being diverse, as evidenced by developer commentary and PR releases, the issue here is a lack of realistic aging on female characters?
Just so I understand... In a heavily stylized game that features robots and a highly intelligent talking ape, the issue here is a lack of realistic aging on female characters?
I think part of it is that it's a clean art style. For a male example, it's pretty obvious in Uncharted 4 vs 3 that Drake is slightly older, but it's in the details, I'm hard-pressed to put my finger on exactly what gives it away, from memory. A couple of tiny extra lines around the eyes maybe? If I look at a pic of myself from a decade ago (I'm 37 now), the differences are there, slightly less hair, a touch of grey when unshaven, an extra wrinkle on the forehead when I frown now. Subtle stuff, I still look like a fairly young adult, but a touch more 'seasoned' as I like to call itI'm glad OP brought this to light.
Be that as it may, I'm of the minority who thinks Mercy does look her age. Although I don't have the game atm, she's the one character that stands out to me the most because she gives off an air of an older woman. She's no barbie, but she's pleasing to the eye anyway. I can easily believe she's anywhere between the age of 35 - 40.
What I'm saying is, I don't know where people get this idea that women over 35 suddenly start looking like they are in their 50's. Where is everyone looking for references?
I wonder if it has anything to do with the expectation that women and men over 35 should be married with kids, thus reducing their attainability/desirability? It's an assumption on my part but with some consideration, it makes sense. Between 35-40, people are urged to settle down and have families.
Shit, could that be why the fandom thinks of Mercy as the mom of Overwatch? Because she's at the "mom age"?
Oh yeah i fully agree. It reminds me of something from Legend of Dragoon...
But yeah, Emma was the real MVP
/derail over
Er, Pharah?I want to say age should not matter but at the same time I sort of wish they had at-least included one black woman in the game. I give Overwatch a ton of credit for the diversity but once again like many others they forget black women.
It's kinda like when someone has a young Hillary Clinton avatar instead of how she looks now.
Er, Pharah?