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Game of Thrones *NO BOOK SPOILERS* |OT| Season 6 - Sundays on HBO [Read the OP]

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When we do you just pretend it wasn't her fault, so why bother?

You should watch what Olenna said this season about her destroying two proud families by giving power to the Faith Militant if you're tired of hearing Tywin tell it like it is.

Straight up. Cersei is a fucking moron.
And she did this only because she's afraid of the prophecy coming true, which it is anyway. Margeray took her spot, and son, and she was so terrified about losing power that she empowered a group of fanatics.

Tywin flat out told her she wasn't as clever as she thought she was, and not too long after he died, she makes a decision that could ruin 2 houses because she didn't have enough foresight to see consequences of giving a religious fanatic power; power that he used to remove the woman the weak King wanted most, power to basically break the weak King over a period of time, and then promptly oust everyone of his family out of King's Landing, as well as the other house and leave you with no allies...because you burned every bridge possible for short-term gain.

This is all her fault, and to correct it, she might have to burn down the city her father fought and died for, after losing a son, a daughter, and having another manipulated into hating her.

She's a moron. Tywin's genes basically passed onto Tyrion.
 

BY2K

Membero Americo
As good as it was, that ending was kind of awkward considering what's happening in Montreal right now with the city wanting to ban Pitbulls because of too many accidents involving them.
 
Wow, look at all of these dudes with plot armor.

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Some of them died after they got in. what's uncanny is how accurate they were with the bows lol

I think he means that metaphorically, that he twisted and hardened her. Some of his ruthlessness passed onto her. Like I said earlier, they both sacrificed men for a strategic battlefield advantage

which is kind of what Rob did in season 1.
 

Freshmaker

I am Korean.
Was Tormund trying to get his free folk to attack the hill instead or did he panic?

Going through the pikes vs dealing with some guys with swords on the pile? It was the weakest link in the attack.

What the fuck is Little Fingers end game? Why did he agree to help?
Aside from his creepy fixation on Kat, and in turn Sansa, he probably aims to marry Sansa and cement himself as warden of the north.
 
For those who say the show has become predictable and generic...you can't have expected the Starks to lose every season, could you? This is probably one of the few times this show has delivered on the catharsis and revenge that most fans were seeking ever since Ned's beheading in S1 and the Red Wedding in S3. Littlefinger's arrival is not a deus ex machina since it was foreshadowed many times prior. And yes, Jon had impenetrable plot armor against those arrow volleys, but what do you expect from a character that was literally resurrected from the dead?

S6 is the year of the Starks. Except for little Rickon, RIP, but really he should have zig-zagged.
Even when the Starks finally get a W, one of them dies SMH
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
For those who say the show has become predictable and generic...you can't have expected the Starks to lose every season, could you? This is probably one of the few times this show has delivered on the catharsis and revenge that most fans were seeking ever since Ned's beheading in S1 and the Red Wedding in S3. Littlefinger's arrival is not a deus ex machina since it was foreshadowed many times prior. And yes, Jon had impenetrable plot armor against those arrow volleys, but what do you expect from a character that was literally resurrected from the dead?

S6 is the year of the Starks. Except for little Rickon, RIP, but really he should have zig-zagged.


When he's facing the charging force and that music ramped up, I thought for just a second his sword was going to ignite. That would have been awesome.
 

watershed

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Little Finger is definitely eyeing Sansa and the North as his own in the near future. He will plot to kill Jon if it's to his advantage.
 
What the fuck is Little Fingers end game? Why did he agree to help?

i think he wants to rule parts of westeros cuz he rises from a very tiny noble family who had no power or influence

now the starks, the traditional warden of the north, owes him a huge favour and he certainly has a thing with/for sansa so he's positioning himself quite well
 
i think he wants to rule parts of westeros cuz he rises from a very tiny noble family who had no power or influence

now the starks, the traditional warden of the north, owes him a huge favour and he certainly has a thing with/for sansa so he's positioning himself quite well

I think he wants it all. And he's not that far from it.

I could easily see it being Vary's, Dany and co. vs. Little Finger and Sansa with Jon eventually siding with Dany.

We will see. The allegiances might get very interesting.
 
Does Littlefinger support Daenerys as Queen, like Varys? If so, their plan could be to stabilize different regions of Westoros.

Baelish makes sure that the North is united behind one house, while Varys possibly tries to get Dorne to help against the Lannisters and weaken the South for Dany's army.

If not, I have no idea what the end game is. Just marrying Sansa to become Warden seems rather small time for Baelish. On top of that, he isn't a real Northerner, so I don't see many up there respecting him to the degree that he would expect.
 

pringles

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What the fuck is Little Fingers end game? Why did he agree to help?
He agreed to help probably in part because he has real affection for Sansa but more so because he knows someone like Ramsay can never be trusted or expected to behave in a predictable way. Same reason he took out Joffrey. He wants the Iron Throne and certainly for that purpose it's better to have someone like Sansa ruling the north instead of Ramsay.

Littlefinger is a pretty big wildcard which is why I like him. If there's someone that could significantly alter the theories that fans have for the endgame, it's him.
 

Corpekata

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Littlefinger doesn't likely support Dany. It was the type of "rule by rights" types that basically upended his life and twisted him (at least from his perspective) so I doubt he holds any love for any Targs. He might have uses for her, or maybe after he met her he might be swayed, but I doubt he's like Varys in his support.
 

Red Hood

Banned
Isn't the Stark name now officially dead? At least when it comes to male heirs... Robb and Rikkon dead, assuming Benjin doesn't have children and Bran can't have children, Jon is a bastard. And well, Sansa and Arya are obviously female.
 

Corpekata

Banned
Did he? Fair enough.

That does then question the plot line in S01 around Robert's kids being illegitimate. As the king, couldn't he just degree they're Baratheons?

Why would he if he had found out? Besides the rumors didn't come out until after his death.
 
I think he wants it all. And he's not that far from it.

I could easily see it being Vary's, Dany and co. vs. Little Finger and Sansa with Jon eventually siding with Dany.

We will see. The allegiances might get very interesting.

Yeah, i wouldnt be surprised if it turns out that he wants the whole thing.

I'd love it if it'd turn out to be Varys/Tyrion/Dany vs Littlefinger/Stark at the endgame
 

UrbanRats

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I bet if Rickon zig zagged and was looking like Ramsay might not kill him he would have just ordered his entire archer squad to open fire.

Should've hid behind one of those burning crosses.
There was one fairly close to him.
Then run from one to the next as Ramsay notched the next arrow.
 

Einchy

semen stains the mountaintops
Did he? Fair enough.

That does then question the plot line in S01 around Robert's kids being illegitimate. As the king, couldn't he just degree they're Baratheons?

I think it has more to do with Joffrey being full Lannister and the bastards at least being Robert's sons. I'm not sure if that's historically accurate but I would imagine they'd want a bastard Baratheon than a Lannister that came from incest.
Isn't the Stark name now officially dead? At least when it comes to male heirs... Robb and Rikkon dead, assuming Benjin doesn't have children and Bran can't have children, Jon is a bastard. And well, Sansa and Arya are obviously female.

Why do people assume Bran can't have children? People in wheelchairs can still have children.
 

dani_dc

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Isn't the Stark name now officially dead? At least when it comes to male heirs... Robb and Rikkon dead, assuming Benjin doesn't have children and Bran can't have children, Jon is a bastard. And well, Sansa and Arya are obviously female.
Why are we assuming Bran can't have children?
Being unable to walk doesn't necessarily precludes him from fathering children.
 

Zeroth

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It's probably no coincidence that neither Dany nor the Starks can keep their houses up unless there are changes in how their name passes down to heirs.
 
I think the simplest answer is the one she said last night. She knows Ramsey. Jon doesn't. By keeping those forces a secret, Ramsey's forces can be flanked and outmaneuvered, a variable he hadn't planned for.

Yes, hundreds, thousands, would die. Yes, perhaps Jon. But that was the only way to win. Tell Jon, and then he waits, adjusts his plans, in turn giving Ramsey time to prepare, change his battle plans, fortify Winterfell.

Don't tell Jon, have Ramsey confidently send all his army in against an outnumbered group he thinks is on the ropes, and you then have the advantage of ambushing your enemy with a secondary force they are completely unprepared for

Ramsey and Sansa might not be so different. They both sacrificed men for a strategic battlefield advantage
I personally don't feel this is the case at all, but I'm going to have to convince myself to believe in it otherwise this episode I really liked turns really really stupid.
 

Flo_Evans

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Little finger wants it all. He created the situation where he could rescue Sansa. He knows even though Ramsey is a sadistic fuck he will not murder his wife that adds legitimacy to his title.

I wonder what he is going to do with the knights of the vale.

And fuck I really wanted to see that giant wrestle a dragon.
 

Easy_D

never left the stone age
The lenses used get longer during the trampling scene to make you nauseous and sick. They widen back up after Jon climbs out of the heap, it's a breath of air for the audience in that sense when the camera dollies up. Like I said, crazy shit to see on television even by premium cable standards.

It did the trick wonderfully, tensest moment in all of Game of Thrones, easily, you could feel his desperation.
 
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