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[Obscuritas]

Scorpio is new hardware, new gen wether people like it or not. The 4 year cycle worked for them with OG Xbox - Xbox 360, not shocking they are doing it again.

Nope, they couldn't even if they wanted to. X1s won't be left behind.

 

[Kssio_Aug]

You can say it as many times as you like. Scorpio is a new generation.

You can say it as many time as you like.

 

[Zedox]

PS5 in November 2019 then

Good!

I don't think "next-gen" consoles are going to happen until 2020/2021. I'm totally ok with these new consoles coming out mid-gen as it's not necessary for me to buy them in order to play the games I want. This gen will be just as long as the last one.

 

[robertsan21]

I don't think "next-gen" consoles are going to happen until 2020/2021. I'm totally ok with these new consoles coming out mid-gen as it's not necessary for me to buy them in order to play the games I want. This gen will be just as long as the last one.

I think so too.

NEO will expand the lenght of PS4 lifecycle

 

[TheMan]

If the PS4 and NEO were on their own I would believe him. But developers have to account for the Xbox One and Scorpio as well. 1.3tflops to 6tflops. That's one hell of a range to optimize for.

I think that's going to be too much for developers and they will transition to the NEO and Scorpio to save costs, after the user base builds up.

Not necessarily. Developers (even indies with low budgets) are able to cater to a wider range of specs on PC.

 

[@Wreck]

You can say it as many times as you like. Scorpio is a new generation.

nah...

not even a new PC gen lol

 

[TheLegendOfMart]

I'm not interested in going iterative. PS4 will probably be my last console.

It all depends on how they handle it.

By the sounds of it Microsoft wont be iterating for the sake of it, from what Phil Spencer has said they will upgrade when the next 'thing' hits. Scorpio is aimed at VR and 4K, I don't even know what is coming past that but I can't imagine another Xbox in 2020 if Scorpio launches 2017.

nah...

not even a new PC gen lol

It's a bigger leap than 360 was to Xbox One. 0.35TF to 1.4TF. Scorpio is 6.6TF.

 

[LastCupOfSorrow]

DLC just got physical, ya'll! And in the hundreds of dollars range per pop. What a terrible time to be a console gamer!!

 

[@Wreck]

DLC just got physical, ya'll! And in the hundreds of dollars range per pop. What a terrible time to be a console gamer!!

huh?

 

[The God]

I think so too.

NEO will expand the lenght of PS4 lifecycle

So support for the PS4 would drop sooner if the Neo wasn't made?

 

[thuway]

I think we need to pay attention to the language Sony is using. PS4 is PS4 could be implying that Neo is using the same parts as PS4 (Jaguar, GDDR5, symmetrical CU enhancements). It appears to be the DNA of PS4 with an emphasis on clocking things higher and adding relevant parts to the GPU where allowed.

Scorpio on the other hand appears to be an entirely different animal from Xbox One- hence 'beyond Generations'. Scorpio has an all new CPU, memory configuration, etc.

 

[Aostia]

my opinion about Neo and Scorpio is that, if my normal PS4 will still be able to play "all" the games without being ditched by developers in trms of refinement of their performances, I'll be fine with my normal PS4 until, let's say...2019

 

[Alx]

Well no, PS4 is PS4, you know the new high end PS4 is still PS4, so you know the lifecycle is not going to be shorter

If PS4 is PS4, Neo is PS4 and PS4 lifecycle is not shorter, then it could mean that the lifecycle would be split between vanilla PS4 and Neo, so in fact it would reduce the cycle of the original PS4. Probably not what he meant, but it's not a great way to explain things (but then that's Twitter for you...)

 

[bananafactory]

You can say it as many times as you like. Scorpio is a new generation.

All Scorpio games will work on X1, it's not a new generation

 

[darkwing]

whenever neo hits, i expect the ps5, 2 years later.

that means the PS4 won't get PS5 games

 

[VolticArchangel]

PS5 in November 2019 then

Good!

whenever neo hits, i expect the ps5, 2 years later.

PS4 Trinity?

 

[geordiemp]

my opinion about Neo and Scorpio is that, if my normal PS4 will still be able to play "all" the games without being ditched by developers in trms of refinement of their performances, I'll be fine with my normal PS4 until, let's say...2019

Lets face it, devs are going to focus on the 40 million plus existing owners, not the few million that adopt the enthusiast model.

My worry is the Neo mode wont be interesting enough for me, I will wait a month or so before deciding if Neo is sufficient / big enough a jump.

 

[SOR5]

I think we need to pay attention to the language Sony is using. PS4 is PS4 could be implying that Neo is using the same parts as PS4 (Jaguar, GDDR5, symmetrical CU enhancements). It appears to be the DNA of PS4 with an emphasis on clocking things higher and adding relevant parts to the GPU where allowed.

Scorpio on the other hand appears to be an entirely different animal from Xbox One- hence 'beyond Generations'. Scorpio has an all new CPU, memory configuration, etc.

In all honesty I believe if there is a "PS5" it will be entirely a marketing name, and it will be a significantly upgraded Neo

I think whats becoming a new generation and whats not is going to become so muddy that there simply wont be any more generations.

 

[Silent Chief]

The PS4 is going to be three years old this fall, so I would guess it has another 2-3 years before it gets phased out.

It's hard to phase out when you are the market leader.

You can't introduce a new generation when the one before the current one is still on store shelves. In Japan, Tales of Besteria and Persona 5 are also coming out on the PS3.

 

[SolidSnakex]

that means the PS4 won't get PS5 games

Which is a good thing. Do you really want the PS5 to be weighed down by the PS4? This generation people couldn't wait until developers finally dropped the PS3/360 versions of games. Imagine the type of hell Guerrilla would have trying to get Horizon running on a PS3 and what that could potentially mean for the PS4 version of it.

 

[leeh]

You can say it as many times as you like. Scorpio is a new generation.

In MS land, I don't think we'll ever get the standard definition of a new generation again, so I agree with what you're saying there. Each console will run the OS and sequentially the same games. I think what we'll see to happen is the phasing out support of devices, the same as you do with iPhones for example, just over a much longer period of time.

This will be interesting when we get a PS5, because unless we get full backcompat for PS4/Neo games, the competition will have full backwards/forward support going forward.

 

[Nestunt]

This life cycle talk is pretty pointless considering Neo wont have exclusive games.
It's 2 versions of the same machine.

I can see it running PS5 games in 2019/2020 and vanilla PS4 not.

 

[dose]

Yep, still a fucking stupid idea. It's still splitting the userbase.

 

[SOR5]

Yep, still a fucking stupid idea. It's still splitting the userbase.

The userbase wont be split as both PS4 users and Neo users will be able to connect and play together on the same games.

 

[Vincent Grayson]

Yep, still a fucking stupid idea. It's still splitting the userbase.

Literally nothing is being split. Some people will have a higher-end PS4, that's it.

 

[Kyoufu]

Yep, still a fucking stupid idea. It's still splitting the userbase.

PS4 and PS4K owners are playing the same games from the same library so it's impossible to split the userbase.

 

[Leyasu]

Seeing people say "Scorpio is a new gen and neo isn't" makes me want the former to be true.

The leap to neo just dont cut it if the specs are confirmed. The 4 yr life of the xbone is totally fine imo, plus the leap is a decent one after the xbone. I also hope that Microsoft take the fh2 dev approach, and have other studios do the xbone ports, whilst the main studio does the Scorpio version..

 

[thuway]

In all honesty I believe if there is a "PS5" it will be entirely a marketing name, and it will be a significantly upgraded Neo

I think whats becoming a new generation and whats not is going to become so muddy that there simply wont be any more generations.

By the time 2020 rolls around AMD will have hit 7 nm and HBM3 will be a defecto standard.

PS5 will not be an enhanced Neo. It would be stupid to ignore the enhancements by an entirely new generation of CPUs, memory controllers, and GPU architectures.

Optimistically, you could see something at the level of 12 to 15 TF in a PS5 by 2020. This would be enough to drive 4k gaming at 60 FPS.

 

[Shredderi]

Yep, still a fucking stupid idea. It's still splitting the userbase.

Yeah can't happen for the reasons mentioned above.

 

[mejin]

Sony should focus on preservation. So, when they announce Neo it'd be great to know that all games from now on will be played in future hardwares.

If they can do this, problem is solved.

 

[heringer]

Scorpio and Neo are iterations, the ones after them will be iterations of Scorpio and Neo, there are no more 'technical' new generations. Just milestones of technology and marketing.

A new generation is a complete refresh of hardware and software and accessories, this wont be happening anymore, all that will change is the box and the specifications and capabiilities.

I see a lot of people under this assumption, but there isn't enough evidence to know for sure this will be the case. It might be, but we just don't know for sure yet. What's stopping Sony from releasing a PS5 after Neo?

 

[SOR5]

Sony should focus on preservation. So, when they announce Neo it'd be great to know that all games from now on will be played in future hardwares.

If they can do this, problem is solved.

Yep Scorpio and Neo are both doing this, Scorpio probably has an extra special emphasis placed on this and Sony documents have been shown they definitely care about this.

I see a lot of people under this assumption, but there isn't enough evidence to know for sure this will be the case. It might be, but we just don't know for sure yet. What's stopping Sony from releasing a PS5 after Neo?

I'm pretty sure they will follow MS, but it would be good to have a concrete statement of their plan going forwards like the Andy House interview

 

[Spider_Jerusalem]

You can say it as many times as you like. Scorpio is a new generation.

Nope. Exactly as upgrading your PC doesn't make it new generation.

 

[STEaMkb]

With Scorpio, I'm less certain that Microsoft will retain the One part of Xbox One. It must be tempting to name the system something else, or just plain Xbox.

 

[Leyasu]

Optimistically, you could see something at the level of 12 to 15 TF in a PS5 by 2020. This would be enough to drive 4k gaming at 60 FPS.

Getting a 4x power increase every 4 years would be great.

 

[Ostinatto]

This means Sony consoles will have BC forever from now on?

 

[Crackbone]

This means Sony consoles will have BC forever from now on?

If the new standard is using custom PC architecture then I wouldn't think that would be an issue.

 

[SOR5]

With Scorpio, I'm less certain that Microsoft will retain the One part of Xbox One. It must be tempting to name the system something else, or just plain Xbox.

Ive said it before, but Scorpio will be Windows 7 and XB1 will be Vista Service Pack 2

Nearly the same thing, but tweaked, rebranded and given a fresh coat of paint to the point the masses think its a completely different beast

 

[Mister Megative]

All Scorpio games will work on X1, it's not a new generation

It's not a new generation.......it's a monster.

 

[leeh]

Nope. Exactly as upgrading your PC doesn't make it new generation.

In that sense, we'll most likely never get a new generation from MS.

 

[reKon]

It's funny how people still don't get it no matter how many times it's repeated lol.

 

[thuway]

Nope. Exactly as upgrading your PC doesn't make it new generation.

Scorpio shares almost nothing architecturally with the original Xbox One. I am guessing when people refer to it as 'a new generation' - they are implying that Microsoft is effectively starting from scratch with Scorpio.

Also your metaphor isn't a good one. If upgrading your PC means changing out the motherboard, CPU, GPU, and memory type that would make more sense. I would argue, Microsoft isn't upgrading their PC, they are building an entirely new one .

 

[link1201]

Tick tock it is - Im relieved but dont know why. Far more interested in Neo/Scorpios replacements now...

Yeah, I'm really interested to see how they use the extra power outside of the VR space.

 

[Ostinatto]

If the new standard is using custom PC architecture then I wouldn't think that would be an issue.

Awesome

 

[wapplew]

Seeing people say "Scorpio is a new gen and neo isn't" makes me want the former to be true.

The leap to neo just dont cut it if the specs are confirmed. The 4 yr life of the xbone is totally fine imo, plus the leap is a decent one after the xbone. I also hope that Microsoft take the fh2 dev approach, and have other studios do the xbone ports, whilst the main studio does the Scorpio version..

4X leap is half of what tradition cycle leap, it'll be super disappointing if Scorpio is that leap.

 

[Mister Megative]

Yep, still a fucking stupid idea. It's still splitting the userbase.

The only flaws in your logic are: it's not splitting the userbase one bit, and
it's not a stupid fucking idea at all. Aside from that, you're on point.

 

[miserable]

 

[AyaisMUsikWhore]

This means Sony consoles will have BC forever from now on?

Yeah pretty much. That means that the PS3 will join the ranks of the PS2 and 1 and most likely will become a vintage system.

 

[Yahsper]

As if they would ever say otherwise?

 

[thuway]

I wonder what the wisdom of Sony sticking to similar parts for Neo was. Could Sony purposefully have done this to indirectly insure optimizations of both PS4 and Neo exist in a similar environment?