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[birthbysleep]

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I read somewhere that the post credit scene with the bros is in-game graphics rather than CGI. Is that true?

Nope, it's CG, exactly like the small clip we've seen from the game where Regis sends off Noctis.

 

[birthbysleep]

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But, how come Nyx is still loyal to Regis? Is it because he was indebted to the King for saving his life when he was young?

I think that is true but his loyalty seems more to Luna than anyone else. He critisizes Regis openly so I don't think he's blindly loyal. And also

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Crowe's death effected greatly so he was also looking to avenge her I think

 

[Famassu]

Yes it is. First of all, it's especially prevalent when characters are doing things like smiling. It looks so awkward and almost creepy.

It's better than average Japanese games for sure, but definitely not what I'd call top notch, (especially not the english version). It's not even that their skin is too smooth, they seemingly don't have blend shapes for things like cheeks. Even weirder because child Noctis does during that dinner scene. And as someone said above, Regis as well.

An awkward smile animation doesn't wipe away all of the great facial animation presented so far otherwise. FFXV's tech is capable of some really good facial animation, even if it has some weaknesses like awkward smiling (which, to be frank, is the downfall of many games' facial animations, so FFXV isn't alone in that). It also doesn't mean that your dumb argument of "Luna has smooth skin so she can't emote" is any more true.

 

[Koozek]

Somebody ask Nomura what he thinks of Kingsglaive.

 

[minameissteve]

Somebody ask Nomura what he thinks of Kingsglaive.

Somebody ask Nomura what he thinks of anything FFXV related. I'm genuinely curious.

 

[NoctisVsStar]

Somebody ask Nomura what he thinks of Kingsglaive.

Nomura : " what's a kingsglaive?"

It seems the XV team is banned from mentioning Nomura and Nomura is banned from talking about anything relating to XV.. Noctis for KH3 please.

 

[Plywood]

When you're scrolling down this thread and skim some spoilers. the hype is real

 

[Setsu00]

I still believe that all of this should have been part of the actual game, especially since the story in Kingsglaive seems so much more interesting than what we know about the game's scenario.

 

[Koozek]

WAIT A MINUTE. I just realized there might be a chance that Driver-san is still in Kingsglaive.

Never forget.

 

[minameissteve]

Nomura : " what's a kingsglaive?"

It seems the XV team is banned from mentioning Nomura and Nomura is banned from talking about anything relating to XV.. Noctis for KH3 please.

Nomura's dead silence on XV is one of the things that concern me most. Has he said anything significant in the past 2 years?

On a related note, I wonder if Nomura had any involvement with Kingsglaive seeing as he directed Advent Children.

 

[DiipuSurotu]

I still believe that all of this should have been part of the actual game, especially since the story in Kingsglaive seems so much more interesting than what we know about the game's scenario.

In an ideal world it would have been the equivalent to FFVII's Disc 1.

I do understand why they had to cut that from the game though.

 

[Setsu00]

Nomura's dead silence on XV is one of the things that concern me most. Has he said anything significant in the past 2 years?

On a related note, I wonder if Nomura had any involvement with Kingsglaive seeing as he directed Advent Children.

I'd guess that Kingsglaive would not exist if Nomura was still director of the game and if it existed, it would look a lot less realistic and more like the game.

WAIT A MINUTE. I just realized there might be a chance that Driver-san is still in Kingsglaive.

Never forget.

Stop reminding me of 2011. ;-;

 

[wmlk]

This is a Nozue flick, and AC really isn't. He's said that he basically had no actual involvement on the narrative for Advent Children.

 

[Famassu]

I still believe that all of this should have been part of the actual game, especially since the story in Kingsglaive seems so much more interesting than what we know about the game's scenario.

Kingsglaive isn't some completely separate story. Whatever elements are in Kingsglaive are a big part of FFXV's story as well, since Kingsglaive doesn't actually resolve anything. We just haven't seen much of that since Tabata seems to be really keen on spoiling as little of the story as possible past the first chapter of the game. Still, there will definitely be more Kingsglaive/Versus XIII tone stuff in FFXV. That'll just mostly happen after the first chapter once shit starts hitting the fan and Noctis & Co start getting embroiled deeper and deeper in the schemes of Niflheim.

 

[Ran rp]

Nomura's dead silence on XV is one of the things that concern me most. Has he said anything significant in the past 2 years?

On a related note, I wonder if Nomura had any involvement with Kingsglaive seeing as he directed Advent Children.

The last thing I remember about Nomura is either him or Tabata saying something along the lines of neither knowing the details of the other's projects since they work in different divisions.

We just haven't seen much of that since Tabata seems to be really keen on spoiling as little of the story as possible past the first chapter of the game.

thanks tabata

 

[artsi]

On a related note, I wonder if Nomura had any involvement with Kingsglaive seeing as he directed Advent Children.

Nah, Nozue (co-director of Advent Children) directed Kingsglaive from the beginning. Tabata was also involved, of course.

He just said in an interview that he finally got to actually direct and make big decisions instead of just working on action scenes / visuals like he did in Advent Children.

 

[Kagari]

WAIT A MINUTE. I just realized there might be a chance that Driver-san is still in Kingsglaive.

Never forget.

That scene still holds up. RIP driver-san.

 

[wmlk]

That scene still holds up. RIP driver-san.

This was the best thing that got cut, and it was so short lol.

 

[wmlk]

And Cor could very well replace that driver. His VA is the same as the driver's, but it's never been explicitly stated that Driver-san has been replaced.

 

[Ran rp]

WAIT A MINUTE. I just realized there might be a chance that Driver-san is still in Kingsglaive.

Never forget.

ಢ_ಢ

 

[Koozek]

And Cor could very well replace that driver. His VA is the same as the driver's, but it's never been explicitly stated that Driver-san has been replaced.

Yeah, and Cor even is Regis' driver:

 

[Ran rp]

I wish the game or kingsglaive blu-ray came with all of the trailers.

 

[Crossing Eden]

An awkward smile animation doesn't wipe away all of the great facial animation presented so far otherwise. FFXV's tech is capable of some really good facial animation, even if it has some weaknesses like awkward smiling (which, to be frank, is the downfall of many games' facial animations, so FFXV isn't alone in that). It also doesn't mean that your dumb argument of "Luna has smooth skin so she can't emote" is any more true.

First, the bolded, what are you talking about, many triple A games have gotten that right since last gen. Let alone the beginning of this gen to the current day. Honestly, when you look it, what's great about it, faces shift unnaturally from word to word, (this has been the case in a lot of SE's english lip sync for a while). You should stop misquoting me btw:

FFXV Luna in-game looks like they have trouble getting her model to emote correctly due to the lack of things like facial wrinkling.

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Was what I said, her face doesn't wrinkle at all when she makes expressions and due to that she has this constant doll like look. People can have smooth skin and still actually have cheeks subtly react to a smile. It's actually impressive when devs nail that. And in this day and age, many do.

Somebody ask Nomura what he thinks of Kingsglaive.

It must be incredibly awkward seeing all those scenes cut out of the game and repurposed for a film. I can't imagine he's super happy about how the whole situation turned out regardless of the quality. Didn't he want multiple XV games?

 

[Squire]

No it isn't. You're just plain out wrong with your silly "their skin is smooth so they cannot emote" BS. Sure, it's not perhaps on the level of Uncharted 4 or something, but there's still some really good, top-notch facial animation in FFXV.

In comparison to what?

This is part of what we talked about in the GameSpot thread about the visual presentation overall. Those facial animations are really nothing impressive in 2016. Everything about Noctis' reaction to the revelation of the siege on Lucis is laughable.

Edit: I see Crossong Eden posted the video again. I think it's clear that's the kind of animation quality you're going to get from the faces in most of the game (though the bodies are shears, too.)

The Dawn trailer is nice, but is also just that, a trailer and relatively important scene at that. Majority of scenes in the game won't look that way.

 

[Ran rp]

I wonder if making the game episodic like FF7R would've been enough to save Nomura's original vision.

 

[The Last One]

I wonder if making the game episodic like FF7R would be enough to save Nomura's original vision.

If it had to e episodic then they wouldn't be able to call it FF XV I guess. And about FF VII Remake be episodic... UGH.

 

[Kagari]

If it had to e episodic then they wouldn't be able to call it FF XV I guess. And about FF VII Remake be episodic... UGH.

Sure they could have. FFXV, FFXV-2, FFXV-3. Boom.

 

[Go_Ly_Dow]

FF7 Remake should be one standalone game with the Midgar opening being repurposed in to a CGI movie.

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Joke.

 

[Falk]

You guys wanna make a separate thread to discuss current gen mocap and facial expressions?

(Not being snide, I think it's actually an interesting topic but every other post being about FFXV's faces is kinda derailing, especially when the thread isn't even about FFXV the game)

 

[The Last One]

Sure they could have. FFXV, FFXV-2, FFXV-3. Boom.

That would be horrible. It's different than FF X and XIII where at least we can just ignore their sequels because we have a conclusive story in their respective first games. We would buy FF XV knowing that in the end we would get a "To be continued...".

 

[Ran rp]

If it had to e episodic then they wouldn't be able to call it FF XV I guess. And about FF VII Remake be episodic... UGH.

People say 7 was a massive game. If one episode is say, 15-20 hours, and there are 3-5 episodes I wouldn't mind it.

 

[wmlk]

I wonder if making the game episodic like FF7R would've been enough to save Nomura's original vision.

It's not that simple. The difference is that the Remake is a sure fire success. An episodic FFXV isn't.

 

[Ran rp]

That would be horrible. It's different than FF X and XIII where at least we can just ignore their sequels because we have a conclusive story in their respective first games. We would buy FF XV knowing that in the end we would get a "To be continued...".

It's not that simple. The difference is that the Remake is a sure fire success. An episodic FFXV isn't.

Wasn't that already the case with Versus, though? Weren't there multiple sequels planned?

 

[wmlk]

Wasn't that already the case with Versus, though? Weren't there multiple sequels planned?

Tabata basically confirmed it by saying he wanted one game. FFXV simply couldn't be episodic in Sqaure Enix's eyes, so saying that it would have "saved" the original vision is a hypothetical that doesn't make sense.

 

[The Last One]

Wasn't that already the case with Versus, though? Weren't there multiple sequels planned?

Yes, but Versus was an spin off title. If FF XV becomes a sucess they will probably make sequels, but it will mostly like be the same case as FF X-2 and XIII-2.

 

[Koozek]

You guys wanna make a separate thread to discuss current gen mocap and facial expressions?

(Not being snide, I think it's actually an interesting topic but every other post being about FFXV's faces is kinda derailing, especially when the thread isn't even about FFXV the game)

Falk
dat puzzling face
(Today, 01:17 AM)

 

[Ran rp]

Tabata basically confirmed it by saying he wanted one game. FFXV simply couldn't be episodic in Sqaure Enix's eyes, so saying that it would have "saved" the original vision is a hypothetical that doesn't make sense.

When I say episodic I mean a series of shorter installments that are released when ready. Not just the direct sequels Nomura may have planned.

Yes, but Versus was an spin off title. If FF XV becomes a sucess they will probably make sequels, but it will mostly like be the same case as FF X-2 and XIII-2.

Keep Versus as a spin-off and make it episodic.

 

[Squire]

Yes, but Versus was an spin off title. If FF XV becomes a sucess they will probably make sequels, but it will mostly like be the same case as FF X-2 and XIII-2.

I very much doubt that. I don't think they're that invested in XV specifically. They want it to be a good game, so that people take the single-player entries of the franchise seriously again. They want it to sell well because both the game and it's technology have been a bit of a cash sink. They want to finish it so they can prove they can after a decade. But I'm pretty confident this is it for this specific world/fiction.

 

[Go_Ly_Dow]

Wasn't that already the case with Versus, though? Weren't there multiple sequels planned?

Yes and no.

2008-2011 - Nomura would play with the idea of Versus being a new sub FF brand of sorts, but never explicitly said it would be multiple sequels or confirmed that.

2013 - When the game was rebranded we got "The World of the Versus Epic" tagline and Nomura confirmed there would be sequels.

 

[Ran rp]

Yes and no.

2008-2011 - Nomura would play with the idea of Versus being a new sub FF brand of sorts, but never explicitly said it would be multiple sequels or confirmed that.

2013 - When the game was rebranded we got "The World of the Versus Epic" tagline and Nomura confirmed there would be sequels.

Ah, okay.

 

[The Last One]

I very much doubt that. I don't think they're that invested in XV specifically. They want it to be a good game, so that people take the single-player entries of the franchise seriously again. They want it to sell well because both the game and it's technology have been a bit of a cash sink. They want to finish it so they can prove they can after a decade. But I'm pretty confident this is it for this specific world/fiction.

Maybe, but they would need to only re-use assets from the first game (the world, characters, etc) and create some things new, exactly like they did with FF X-2. Only if FF XV exceed expectations of course.

 

[Ydelnae]

Sure they could have. FFXV, FFXV-2, FFXV-3. Boom.

They would have been eaten alive if "FFXV" consisted of just the Insomnia invasion and the game ended when Noctis and co get out of the city. It works for VII-R because we already know how big the material is and how everything pans out in the original game, but I don't think the first bits of FFXV (Insomnia invasion and getting to Altissia) would have worked well as a standalone game.

Althought I guess Nomura could have wanted to tell a full story in one game and then have multiple side stories told by spin-offs that eventually lead into a proper sequel to the main story, like he does in Kingdom Hearts. And we would have been stuck with the XV world for years. Because S-E was actually conscious that XIII-2 and LR would be smaller games than XIII and they would need less development costs, but a potential XV-2 and XV-3, with Nomura's vision, would have been to hold up to the first game in terms of content, development time and care.

 

[Squire]

Maybe, but they would need to only re-use assets from the first game (the world, characters, etc) and create some things new, exactly like they did with FF X-2. Only if FF XV exceed expectations of course.

Right, the production would be cheaper, but yeah, that's counting your chickens before they hatch. The game would need to exceed expectations (which I don't see happening) and other than X-2 which sold pretty well, sequels haven't really worked out for them critically or commercially. I don't think announcing a sequel would come off as the most confident move they could make and would thus run counter to their core motivation right now.

 

[Go_Ly_Dow]

They would have been eaten alive if "FFXV" consisted of just the Insomnia invasion and the game ended when Noctis and co get out of the city. It works for VII-R because we already know how big the material is and how everything pans out in the original game, but I don't think the first bits of FFXV (Insomnia invasion and getting to Altissia) would have worked well as a standalone game.

Althought I guess Nomura could have wanted to tell a full story in one game and then have multiple side stories told by spin-offs that eventually lead into a proper sequel to the main story, like he does in Kingdom Hearts. And we would have been stuck with the XV world for years. Because S-E was actually conscious that XIII-2 and LR would be smaller games than XIII and they would need less development costs, but a potential XV-2 and XV-3, with Nomura's vision, would have been to hold up to the first game in terms of content, development time and care.

One important aspect I think that gets passed on a lot with this project is that under Nomura it sounded like the games world map wasn't planned to be as seamless or interconnected as it is now. More like FFXII map style but more connected.

I feel the decision to cut back on the original opening was to redirect focus and place greater emphasis on the world exploration aspect. So that the game could compete as an open world behemoth in today's market of RPGs.

This is speculation of course.

 

[Koozek]

They would have been eaten alive if "FFXV" consisted of just the Insomnia invasion and the game ended when Noctis and co get out of the city. It works for VII-R because we already know how big the material is and how everything pans out in the original game, but I don't think the first bits of FFXV (Insomnia invasion and getting to Altissia) would have worked well as a standalone game.

Althought I guess Nomura could have wanted to tell a full story in one game and then have multiple side stories told by spin-offs that eventually lead into a proper sequel to the main story, like he does in Kingdom Hearts. And we would have been stuck with the XV world for years. Because S-E was actually conscious that XIII-2 and LR would be smaller games than XIII and they would need less development costs, but a potential XV-2 and XV-3, with Nomura's vision, would have been to hold up to the first game in terms of content, development time and care.

I still think it's silly to think that FFVIIR:E1 would just be the Midgar section. They said every episode would be as big as one of the FFXIII games roughly, so around 40-60 hours mainline story. So, 40 hours of only Midgar?

"Final Fantasy VII remake episodes will each be as big as Final Fantasy XIII"
http://metro.co.uk/2016/04/12/final...each-be-as-big-as-final-fantasy-xiii-5811063/

 

[Go_Ly_Dow]

I still think it's silly to think that FFVIIR:E1 would just be the Midgar section. They said every episode would be as big as one of the FFXIII games roughly, so around 40-60 hours mainline story. So, 40 hours of only Midgar?

Nomura has stated that Midgar will be expanded quite a bit. It could be Midgar and just a a little beyond that.

 

[Ran rp]

I still think it's silly to think that FFVIIR:E1 would just be the Midgar section. They said every episode would be as big as one of the FFXIII games roughly, so around 40-60 hours mainline story. So, 40 hours of only Midgar?

Wait FF7R episodes are full length? wtf. It's going to be $180+ for the full experience, isn't it ;-;

 

[Crossing Eden]

You guys wanna make a separate thread to discuss current gen mocap and facial expressions?

(Not being snide, I think it's actually an interesting topic but every other post being about FFXV's faces is kinda derailing, especially when the thread isn't even about FFXV the game)

That's my bad. Always interested in technical discussions. Speaking of the film, does anyone have any thoughts on what we've heard of the actors so far?

 

[Koozek]

Wait FF7R episodes are full length? wtf. It's going to be $120+ for the full experience, isn't it ;-;

"Final Fantasy VII remake episodes will each be as big as Final Fantasy XIII"
http://metro.co.uk/2016/04/12/final...each-be-as-big-as-final-fantasy-xiii-5811063/

 

[Famassu]

Wasn't that already the case with Versus, though? Weren't there multiple sequels planned?

Sure, but in a way that FFXV(-1) would have a story with a proper end and the sequels would tackle other stories that maybe tie to what happens in the first game, but aren't necessarily straight continuation or at least the kind of continuation that would have ended with a "to be continued..." in FFXV-1.