Psycho_Mantis
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Eurogamer: NX = portable w/ carts, detachable controllers, Tegra, TV Out, no BC, Sept
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Let's hope so. Or maybe it's real indeed but this is for the NX handheld with home console capabilities and the real dedicated home console NX device has yet to be unveiled... : /
Just looking forward to september so they can finally reveal this.
Lionel Richie
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Monster Hunter for the NX?
Jonneh3003
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I also think CD Projekt Red's Cyberpunk will flop, we don't know much about it but it will flop.
Wait until we see it before judging it
The Hermit
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What if The powered dock is your pc?!
:/ Really..? Even with Tegra X1 technology..? I mean The Shield is pretty small after all..don't Nvidia kinda promote it having around 500gflops or so?
Well i guess atleast it'll be stronger than the Wii U in any case....maybe around the same as the shield?
Why are you so up in arms against physical media? Some people will opt to buy huge ass SD cards for digital games, and some will opt to go with carts. Many will do both. This is a really strange thing to pontificate on.
No more lol than optical media at this point.
The original storage downside to carts is no longer a big deal, especially at the resolutions that the NX will target. 16GB and 32GB carts won't be all that expensive at launch. Later in the generation, I could see 128GB carts being cheap enough to use. You can already get micro SD cards in that size for $30 retail.
We're basing it off this:
I still feel like this is something that will become a factor in a couple years. Not at the outset of the console's release.
A SCD would make sense to extend the system's life cycle 2 or so years after release in order to keep up with, in relative terms, to the competitions advances and new console versions.
But to feature it at the outset of the system's launch feels too complicated and expensive. People need to be sold on the idea of a Handheld/Console Hybrid. Throwing in a SCD that complicates that dynamic and makes the shared experience not so shared will just confuse people.
Current info allows for a pretty easy existence of the same games in console and handheld modes. X1 or X2 can be underclocked while on the go and beefed up when docked. Games will likely run at far lower resolution on the go and 1080 at home. That's pretty easy scaling there if we are looking at 300-1,000 gflops.
But if you throw in a SCD that dramatically increase the power of the home dock vs the handheld alone you're likely going to fracture the game's library. Games that fully utilize the full power of the docked handheld may not run on the handheld alone.
That's something that in a few years time might be something you can sell and explain to consumers, but to do so at launch will just make your pitch too complex.
AMD have shown they're clearly able/willing to offer better deals on home console SoCs, so I don't know why you assume "Nvidia can do the work as well if not better". And if Scorpio/Neo had Pascal parts they most definitely wouldn't be 6TF and 8TF consoles, AMD has been consistently offering greater raw computational performance than Nvidia over the past few years, and that continues with Polaris vs Pascal (where the >5 TF RX 480 sells for $199 vs the <4 TF GTX 1060 at $249). Not that raw computational performance translates to real world performance anyway.
Well the idea, resolutions are to be determined.
I understand concerns about ergonomical limits, but I can see them creating a 5.5 inch controller that works
Schnozberry
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Why would they waste the R&D budget to make another console just like the other two products currently dominating the market?
ThatStupidLion
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im essentially expecting a vita and pstv combination.
this will be a perfect companion for the ps4/xbone. I'm really interested
this will be a perfect companion for the ps4/xbone. I'm really interested
gundamkyoukai
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Sony already has they don't care about Japan as much .
The fact that this is handheld shows Nintendo still do care .
Don't see a handheld type device doing good in the rest of the world .
Don't hate me: I'm one of those who wants Nintendo to go 3rd party because I'm a selfish prick, but the NX hybrid concept imo is the only thing I can see working for them atm:
- they can get the kids playing on tablets market if their OS is good and to some degree on par with at least those kiddie-tablets (runs youtube, 3rd party apps,...)
- viral marketing through mobile offensive
- bank on the 50+ million 3ds owners
- Get casuals back with the easy to play everywhere approach
What it takes to achieve this:
- this thing better look gud & sexy
- online infrastructure from 2017 not 2006
- sleek OS
- a cool name
- tech working without any hickups
- games, games ,games
- they can get the kids playing on tablets market if their OS is good and to some degree on par with at least those kiddie-tablets (runs youtube, 3rd party apps,...)
- viral marketing through mobile offensive
- bank on the 50+ million 3ds owners
- Get casuals back with the easy to play everywhere approach
What it takes to achieve this:
- this thing better look gud & sexy
- online infrastructure from 2017 not 2006
- sleek OS
- a cool name
- tech working without any hickups
- games, games ,games
Huge Succeeded
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He's just saying that physical media on the whole is becoming dated and less desirable.
Except, I mean, we're talking about game consoles here. People still buy physical games.
Neff
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That all sounds incredibly dull. I hope it doesn't turn out to be the case.
This in particular sounds horrific.
I thought that myself.
This in particular sounds horrific.
I thought that myself.
That's not necessarily true. These will not be ROM chips that are just plugged into a bus that goes directly to the CPU like in the NES/SNES days (dunno if N64 was like that too).
These days these will be just flash carts that have read speeds comparable to dvds, harddrives if you are lucky. You eliminate seeks times, yes, but there is still reading time.
Installs may not be voided either, if they want to install to a harddrive, and you also have to remember that games these days have humongous patches anyway.
Askherserenity
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Zelda is just a port, exactly.
Now why wouldn't a game built from the ground up for the NX not take even better advantage of the new system?
Discs require installation. Carts don't.
*Reggie, wearing a black mask for some reason, kneels in front of a massive hologram of Hiroshi Yamauchi, hooded, who it turns out is not dead but actually just a Sith Lord now*
REGGIE: "Master, the haters are hating."
YAMAUCHI: "Good... Good. Let the Nintendoomed flow. Our moment is nearly at hand!"
Why I think this will succeed with mass-market:
+ Nintendo are combining their console and handheld markets into one. All their games output (minus mobile?) will be on this single platform. No fragmentation.
Why I don't think this will succeed with mass-market:
- Dedicated handheld gaming hardware caps at teenagers or people who play in bed/camping.
- Nintendo are competing with themselves (and against everyone else) by having mobile phone games out there.
- Severely underpowered as a TV-console (PS4K and eventually Scorpio are order-of-magnitude stronger)
- The big 3rd party multiplatform games will not show up.
Why does it appeal to me:
+ Zelda BOTW looks Nintendo's strongest game quality-wise in ten years.
+ Very appealing as a secondary console (and camper/bedside handheld) with all of Nintendo's output to be found on a single piece hardware. No direct overlap with PS4/PC.
Why doesn't it appeal to me:
- I just wanted sharp and clean 1080p graphics for Nintendo IP. It's really hard to go back... really hoping that dock comes with extra hardware.
Conclusion:
If this has all of Nintendo's mobile phone games in addition to having extra GPU-power within docking-station then they have a desirable platform. Otherwise I think there's too many omissions.
+ Nintendo are combining their console and handheld markets into one. All their games output (minus mobile?) will be on this single platform. No fragmentation.
Why I don't think this will succeed with mass-market:
- Dedicated handheld gaming hardware caps at teenagers or people who play in bed/camping.
- Nintendo are competing with themselves (and against everyone else) by having mobile phone games out there.
- Severely underpowered as a TV-console (PS4K and eventually Scorpio are order-of-magnitude stronger)
- The big 3rd party multiplatform games will not show up.
Why does it appeal to me:
+ Zelda BOTW looks Nintendo's strongest game quality-wise in ten years.
+ Very appealing as a secondary console (and camper/bedside handheld) with all of Nintendo's output to be found on a single piece hardware. No direct overlap with PS4/PC.
Why doesn't it appeal to me:
- I just wanted sharp and clean 1080p graphics for Nintendo IP. It's really hard to go back... really hoping that dock comes with extra hardware.
Conclusion:
If this has all of Nintendo's mobile phone games in addition to having extra GPU-power within docking-station then they have a desirable platform. Otherwise I think there's too many omissions.
Mihos
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Because the RnD would be dirt cheap.
Not that I am agreeing with the previous poster's point.
stan423321
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SD cards "can" go like up to 2TB, but mainstream ones peak at 128 GB ATM. Also: not unlike a hundred of smartphone manufacturers and, in fact, themselves with [N]N3DS, they can opt for microSDs. I sure hope not though.
Jonneh3003
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Chuck Tokyo Mirage Sessions onto this and I'll double dip, make a sequel and I'll double flip.
Baroquemantic
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Well, I've always been more interested in Nintendo's handheld stuff than their home consoles, so cool. It doesn't sound like a hybrid, though. More like a handheld with a dock. Though, if the dock has its own hardware, then this would definitely be a hybrid.
Also, if it really is using a Tegra, that means Pokémon and Monster Hunter and other handheld associated franchises will finally get a nice boost in the visuals department as this would make the NX a lot more powerful than the 3ds and Vita. I hope the use of mobile hardware also means it's no more than $250.
Also, if it really is using a Tegra, that means Pokémon and Monster Hunter and other handheld associated franchises will finally get a nice boost in the visuals department as this would make the NX a lot more powerful than the 3ds and Vita. I hope the use of mobile hardware also means it's no more than $250.
It is not, it was codeveloped on both platforms.
_illmatic_
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Hmmmm, maybe they aren't competing with mobile but embaracing it. What if in the dock it was a GPU dock. Place your own Nvidia GPU in there for a performance bump. End of wishful thinking.
So is the dock just a dock or is it going to have its' own components as well?
Like, can you play with one or the other, or do you need both to play on a TV?
Yay:
- Handheld
- Home/Console/stationary "mode"
- Cartridges
- Huge potential for local multiplayer
Boo:
- No BC
- 720p screen
- Weak hardware
Concerns:
- Controller ergonomics
- Device and controller durability
Overall impression: intrigued by the potential but ultimate underwhelmed. If there's a future iterative model (XL/"New"/whatever) that has the following:
- 1080p screen
- Some form of BC/compability with Wii U, 3DS, potentially older platforms as well.
- More powerful hardware
Then I'm probably aboard. Until then it's wait and see, like with every other current console.
- Handheld
- Home/Console/stationary "mode"
- Cartridges
- Huge potential for local multiplayer
Boo:
- No BC
- 720p screen
- Weak hardware
Concerns:
- Controller ergonomics
- Device and controller durability
Overall impression: intrigued by the potential but ultimate underwhelmed. If there's a future iterative model (XL/"New"/whatever) that has the following:
- 1080p screen
- Some form of BC/compability with Wii U, 3DS, potentially older platforms as well.
- More powerful hardware
Then I'm probably aboard. Until then it's wait and see, like with every other current console.
Schnozberry
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They might be able to squeeze that kind of power out of it if they are using a Pascal chip, and it's docked. The Tegra X1 only achieved 512Gflops when used the Shield TV consuming 20W, which would require you to carry around a deep cycle marine battery in a portable configuration.
Maybe if could have a dock that could include a better gpu to help visuals when in TV mode (via dedicated port), at least to handle 1080p , and sold separately to bring the cost of the device down for those only interested in hand held usage.
And a less power hungry tegra for 540/720p handheld gaming, with HDMI out for those not interesetd in better visuals at home.
And a less power hungry tegra for 540/720p handheld gaming, with HDMI out for those not interesetd in better visuals at home.
While the whole discussion isn't really relevant to this thread, I'd argue that consoles are significantly limited by power, and NV is currently quite a bit better at performance/Watt than AMD.
Kind of true - it was never definitively finished for the Wii U. Even the gamepad options were dialed back.
Trogdor1123
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Maybe last gen experiences... Not current gen
Father_Brain
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What would be the point of having mobile games on it, when it's already going to be a secondary portable device for whoever buys it?
This is a good point that makes me doubt this info more.
We're basing it off this:
If this was the case wouldn't Eurogamer report on that as well?
LPDDR4? I wonder what kind of bandwidth that can support being a miniature ram variant? I wonder if its better than max DDR3 speeds? (80gb/s or so)
I don't know. I don't think anyone other then Nintendo knows.
Jonneh3003
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I imagine it'll have its own components to make the visuals more presentable for a TV, could just be a bump to 1080p, could be something more.
Fair enough. I still think people are patient with technology to some degree. Like, people aren't choosing landline phones over smartphones just because smartphones have poor battery life. If Nintendo sells the NX well, people will look past the inconvenience of physical media. I imagine many people will have whatever big game they're currently playing in the cart slot, with however many numerous other smaller games installed digitally. Or they'll invest in a giant SD card and have all their games on there. And for families with multiple kids, carts will save them from having to buy the same game multiple times. That's a selling point.
I think it might be smart to let go of the hope of third party support. I don't see it really happening much.
That's showing 2 Parker SoC which = ~8TFlops combined.
NX would only have 1 Parker SoC.
I also think it'd be downclocked in this NX form factor, even when docked because of cooling/power draw issues.
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