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[Tagyhag]

HYPOTHETICALLY, if NMS gets good mod support, we could all pretty much get our perfect customized NMS.

Life in only 0.5% of planets + tougher combat + slower upgrading.

Ohhhhh yeah.

 

[labx]

That'd be a shame. For me, bone dry means absolutely zero life.

It's what makes finding something alive all the more mystical.

well, we are all assuming that this guy experience is the way its going to be for everybody. That is the thing when you are playing a game way ahead of it release date. A lot of biases.

 

[Pestilence11]

People are kidding themselves if they think they're going to land on 400-500 planets and still be spending hours on planets 100 to 500. You might spend hours on your first one or even the first 10, but be realistic.

 

[Uiki]

Don't act like you don't know it's procedural.

You know what I meant, stop playing with words.

Throwing around 2^64 planets just make this look worse, really. Even if they went and put something designed on some planets.. what's that, 0,000000000000000000000000000001% of them? and what are the odds of me finding it? Am i supposed to go around every single planet and exploring every inch?

2^64 planets are there just like a level in a roguelike game. You get what you need in order to increse your level/power/whatever and go on in this case. Nothing stops you if you want to stay and look around but that's not the design here. Like someone said earlier, you can play ocarina of time pretending to be a citizen in hyrule castle town..

I'm curious myself: what do you expect do find on a planet that grants hours and hours of exploration? They show us multiple times how the game works and the impression here is something like starbound without the crafting, building and terraforming stuff.

 

[VlaudTheImpaler]

That is a pretty nice site. Wonder how long it's going to take for a teleport to player mod of the sort is made. I can imagine it even being the same day as release.

Here is part 2 if you are interested. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GZgwNRTinc

HYPOTHETICALLY, if NMS gets good mod support, we could all pretty much get our perfect customized NMS.

Life in only 0.5% of planets + tougher combat + slower upgrading.

Ohhhhh yeah.

+ Ship classes... if they aren't really implemented as was said by the leaker.

I want to have a capitol ship/mothership to launch my "Explorer" (what you would normally get) ship from and return to when jumping from system to system.

 

[theWB27]

In a world where there are billions and billions of planets, yes, it is rushed.

Don't get me wrong: 40 hours of gameplay is an incredible amount of time anyway. People worried about the game's "worth" should be at ease in this era of 79 $ shooters.

But still, he's been on a roll. Less than an hour spent on every planet, without considering travel time.

Nothing is going to please the overhyped and the haters alike.

But the devs stated 40-100 hours. In that context he's right in line with regular time.

You can't possibly judge his time based on the amount of planets. If you did beating the game 50 years from now would still be "rushed." But ya know....negativity and all.

 

[dancegrenade]

People are kidding themselves if they think they're going to land on 400-500 planets and still be spending hours on planets 100 to 500. You might spend hours on your first one or even the first 10, but be realistic.

"Lets project what I wont be doing in the game on everyone else"

 

[metareferential]

I just don't understand why somebody is being demonised for engaging in a mechanic of the game (that is, reaching the centre). With all that has been made about making that journey, why is it suddenly an illegitimate way of playing the game?

And where exactly did I say that?

I was only putting things into perspective; every way to play this game is legitimate.

Pretending this one leaker's journey is some sort of blueprint for the experience of others is rather dumb (even if the majority will play it like this).

He said it himself that he went straight for the center "landing on planets to make space travel less boring". Fair enough. But you know that people are going to take this playthrough and say "18 billionstrilllions planets and the game is over in just 30 hours".

But the devs stated 40-100 hours. In that context he's right in line with regular time.

You can't possibly judge his time based on the amount of planets. If you did beating the game 50 years from now would still be "rushed." But ya know....negativity and all.

Exactly, you can't. But that's what's going on anyway. "he's already finished the game". Which is dumb by its own merits, by the way.

 

[Sun Bather]

You can stay on a planet forever if you want.

Nah, I don't want to rush through the game like that. I will stay in the main menu forever, getting the purest and slowest experience possible.

 

[Krabboss]

"Lets project what I wont be doing in the game on everyone else"

I am willing to bet cash money that the percentage of players who spend < an hour on a planet greatly outnumber the people who spend infinite time on a single planet.

 

[Karspankey]

Here is part 2 if you are interested. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GZgwNRTinc

Thanks for the link! Hadn't considered what modding could do to the game. I imagine that putting all people who modded their game into another instance of the "universe" would be the best way to solve that. It does take away from the main game having everyone in the same place so you could eventually run into something someone else found. Hard decision for HG to make I think.

 

[labx]

And where exactly did I say that?

I was only putting things into perspective; every way to play this game is legitimate.

Pretending this one leaker's journey is some sort of blueprint for the experience of others is rather dumb.

He said it himself that he went straight for the center "landing on planets to make space travel less boring". Fair enough. But you know that people are going to take this playthrough and say "18 billionstrilllions planets and the game is over in just 30 hours".



Exactly, you can't. But that's what's going on anyway. "he's already finished the game". Which is dumb by its own merits, by the way.

This every single day.

 

[Chezzymann]

People are kidding themselves if they think they're going to land on 400-500 planets and still be spending hours on planets 100 to 500. You might spend hours on your first one or even the first 10, but be realistic.

I'm going to role play that I married one of the aliens, started a family, moved into a house, and then I will live on that planet for hundreds of hours. Then, finally after years, I'll depart that planet and cry remembering all the good times I had. But I'll also be optimistic, looking forward to my next long journey on planet #2

 

[Krabboss]

And where exactly did I say that?

I was only putting things into perspective; every way to play this game is legitimate.

Pretending this one leaker's journey is some sort of blueprint for the experience of others is rather dumb.

He said it himself that he went straight for the center "landing on planets to make space travel less boring". Fair enough. But you know that people are going to take this playthrough and say "18 billionstrilllions planets and the game is over in just 30 hours".

No, I'm pretty sure nobody is going to make that claim.

The insinuation you and others are making is that this person had a lesser experience because they did not take more time to soak in more planets. Because they reached the centre in roughly the same number of hours estimated by HG, apparently this person has "rushed" and not properly enjoyed the game. What other possible insinuation could you possibly be making when you say it's rushed?

Personally, I don't see what the freakout is all about. The leaker doesn't seem to have had a horrible time with the game and he's said he's going to keep playing. I don't see why people have got themselves into such a tizzy to make excuses that don't need to be made.

 

[Karspankey]

I'm going to marry one of the aliens, start a family, move into a house, and live on that planet for hundreds of hours. Then, finally after years, I'll depart that planet and cry remembering all the good times I had. But I'll also be optimistic, looking forward to my next long journey on planet #2

And then a big, deathly looking planet will show up and blow up your home planet with nothing you could do to prevent it. But then you realize that your wife cheated on you with Fred after being given a second chance and move on to planet #2 to renew the cycle.

 

[artsi]

You know what I meant, stop playing with words.

Throwing around 2^64 planets just make this look worse, really. Even if they went and put something designed on some planets.. what's that, 0,000000000000000000000000000001% of them? and what are the odds of me finding it? Am i supposed to go around every single planet and exploring every inch?

2^64 planets are there just like a level in a roguelike game. You get what you need in order to increse your level/power/whatever and go on in this case. Nothing stops you if you want to stay and look around but that's not the design here. Like someone said earlier, you can play ocarina of time pretending to be a citizen in hyrule castle town..

I'm curious myself: what do you expect do find on a planet that grants hours and hours of exploration? They show us multiple times how the game works and the impression here is something like starbound without the crafting, building and terraforming stuff.

Yeah.

I feel that like Daggerfall and Spore this game will just remind us again that procedural generation isn't the holy grail of content generation that will guarantee infinite amount of playable content.

The number 18 quintillion doesn't really matter, that's marketing speak, it's still all about variables programmed by humans which there is a limited amount.

If I generate 18 quintillion numbers between 1 and 100 using my cool 64-bit system, it's still just 100 different numbers. I just might see the number 77 a quintillion times which doesn't make it any more interesting.

 

[everyday math]

And then a big, deathly looking planet will show up and blow up your home planet with nothing you could do to prevent it. But then you realize that your wife cheated on you with Fred after being given a second chance and move on to planet #2 to renew the cycle.

It's always Fucking Fred.

 

[metareferential]

No, I'm pretty sure nobody is going to make that claim.

The insinuation you and others are making is that this person had a lesser experience because they did not take more time to soak in more planets. Because they reached the centre in roughly the same number of hours estimated by HG, apparently this person has "rushed" and not properly enjoyed the game. What other possible insinuation could you possibly be making when you say it's rushed?

Personally, I don't see what the freakout is all about. The leaker doesn't seem to have had a horrible time with the game and he's said he's going to keep playing. I don't see why people have got themselves into such a tizzy to make excuses that don't need to be made.

Again, stating things I didn't say.

I'm not saying he didn't properly enjoy the game. I'm saying that his experience is just that.

I would have done it differently, which doesn't mean I would be spending hours upon hours on planets. I don't feel forced or compelled to always aim for the center.

Others may even stay on their ship forever and not even land once. It's a big sandbox, everyone will get a different experience.

But I've read too many comments saying how we've been lied to, how the game is actually smaller than what promised and so on only because of one leak.

And just to be clear: I find the infos from the leaker actually awesome, as it basically confirms what devs where saying. Bugs and crashes are an issue, but it's a beta he's playing, considering how prominent day1 patches are these days.

Yeah.

I feel that like Daggerfall and Spore this game will just remind us again that procedural generation isn't the holy grail of content generation that will guarantee infinite amount of playable content.

The number 18 quintillion doesn't really matter, that's marketing speak, it's still all about variables programmed by humans which there is a limited amount.

If I generate 18 quintillion numbers between 1 and 100 using my cool 64-bit system, it's still just 100 different numbers. I just might see the number 77 a quintillion times which doesn't make it any more interesting.

You're saying this as if there only are a couple variables at play here.

The 18quintillion planets is just a way to ensure enough variety for every player in a reasonably long time (the alleged 40-100 hours).

And the leaker said that variety is not an issue (even though he's been contradictory here).

We'll see.

 

[Jarekx]

It's always Fucking Fred.

Well, that's the reason they call him Fucking Fred.

 

[Karspankey]

Well, that's the reason they call him Fucking Fred.

He really should have had Dirty Dan take care of her, hell, even Naughty Nate. Fucking Fucking Fred deserved to die.

 

[BigDug13]

No, I'm pretty sure nobody is going to make that claim.

The insinuation you and others are making is that this person had a lesser experience because they did not take more time to soak in more planets. Because they reached the centre in roughly the same number of hours estimated by HG, apparently this person has "rushed" and not properly enjoyed the game. What other possible insinuation could you possibly be making when you say it's rushed?

Personally, I don't see what the freakout is all about. The leaker doesn't seem to have had a horrible time with the game and he's said he's going to keep playing. I don't see why people have got themselves into such a tizzy to make excuses that don't need to be made.

My only concern is that the game doesn't seem challenging. Dude was landing on planets just to break up the monotony of flying everywhere in space unchallenged and didn't die once in his whole journey. I don't want a super challenging game, but it sounds a bit like a walk in the park so far.

 

[Karspankey]

My only concern is that the game doesn't seem challenging. Dude was landing on planets just to break up the monotony of flying everywhere in space unchallenged and didn't die once in his whole journey. I don't want a super challenging game, but it sounds a bit like a walk in the park so far.

I can imagine that once you understand how to protect yourself from the environment and get better gear + not pissing off the sentinels, it'd be pretty easy. I want to play the game with tons of combat so I wonder how hard it can get!

 

[XANDER CAGE]

I'm loving how this dude's experience playing the game is basically acting as an ink blot test for people who have already decided they love or hate this god damn game.

 

[GribbleGrunger]

The more I read of that guys posts the more I think he may have done something wrong. He says things like:

Currently, Beam Upgrades for your multi tool seem broken and ass backwards. Upgrades that are supposed to slow down the heat up of your beam, actually speed it up. Upgrades that are supposed to speed up the mining speed of the beam, actually slow it down. Essentially, your STARTING beam is as powerful as it can be, and if you upgrade it with +1 +2 +3 beam upgrade modules it becomes UNUSABLE. This would, in theory, mean that the fully upgraded beam is actually the beam you're supposed to START with, which would mean my early exploration would have gone a LOT slower.

It just doesn't make sense that everything is the complete reverse of what you would expect. I can imagine a couple of oddities but not across the board. I don't think he's fully grasped how to upgrade and he's not balancing things out properly.

 

[BigDug13]

I can imagine that once you understand how to protect yourself from the environment and get better gear + not pissing off the sentinels, it'd be pretty easy. I want to play the game with tons of combat so I wonder how hard it can get!

It's just a bit surprising that on someone's first spoiler-free playthrough, they died zero times in 30 hours.

 

[KingV]

I think the reason people are disappointed is because of how vague the pre-release stuff was. Everybody kind of just filled in a bunch of stuff that was pretty obviously not there.

A lot of the information was sort of there if you read between the lines, but a lot of people filled the space between the lines with their dream game.

 

[tuxfool]

I'm loving how this dude's experience playing the game is basically acting as an ink blot test for people who have already decided they love or hate this god damn game.

If they had shown more of the game less people would be hanging on this guy's word.

 

[Karspankey]

It's just a bit surprising that on someone's first spoiler-free playthrough, they died zero times in 30 hours.

Sure. That is somewhat hard to explain. Looking forward to more impressions if we get them, it'll be real healthy for these conversations. Other people have the game, two more people as far as I know. Those two are confirmed though!

 

[metareferential]

I think the reason people are disappointed is because of how vague the pre-release stuff was. Everybody kind of just filled in a bunch of stuff that was pretty obviously not there.

A lot of the information was sort of there if you read between the lines, but a lot of people filled the space between the lines with their dream game.

Maybe true, but the four trailers were pretty clear (at least in their titles).

And gameplay demos were very, very straightforward. Go there, grab resources, fly out there, meet some pirates/traders, go somewhere else.

Guess what, that's the game.

We're back at square 1 "what do you do?" right? xD

 

[GribbleGrunger]

If they had shown more of the game less people would be hanging on this guy's word.

We've seen more of NMS than any other game I can remember. The game is the game we were told it was.

 

[BigDug13]

I'm loving how this dude's experience playing the game is basically acting as an ink blot test for people who have already decided they love or hate this god damn game.

I'm still day one, but the fact that "survive" is one of the four main draws of this game, not dying once in 30 hours is quite damning to me. I had already decided that I love the game when the very first trailer was shown.

 

[7DollarHagane]

I'm loving how this dude's experience playing the game is basically acting as an ink blot test for people who have already decided they love or hate this god damn game.

Some people are that way but its also validating some people's concerns that they have had in the past, so that doesn't help matters.

I'm one of the "but is the game fun" people and thrse impressions have it pointing to "kind of".

People who are simply enthralled with the freedom and vastness of the universe and want to experience that shouldn't take the leaker's impressions too seriously.

 

[XANDER CAGE]

If they had shown more of the game less people would be hanging on this guy's word.

Definitely, although it also sort of seems like they really did show pretty much everything there is to do in the game and people just didn't realize/believe that they'd seen the full gameplay loop (or Sony/HG were intentionally vague about it? Which I kind of doubt, but)

 

[mjc]

I'm loving how this dude's experience playing the game is basically acting as an ink blot test for people who have already decided they love or hate this god damn game.

 

[Karspankey]

Definitely, although it also sort of seems like they really did show pretty much everything there is to do in the game and people just didn't realize/believe that they'd seen the full gameplay loop (or Sony/HG were intentionally vague about it? Which I kind of doubt, but)

Exactly! If I may quote myself:

You bring up a point; people confusing what they want in the game with what is actually there, and then feeling betrayed when those things just don't exist. Although the 4 recently released trailers felt weird, they really did show you what you do in the game. There are more things that you can do that aren't in the trailer, but they do a good job of showing what is in the realm of possibility. I'm looking forward to it more than I originally was because of that one 26min video, and nearly everything he did in it was shown in those 4 trailers, barring the quick cuts.

Wish that the 4 trailers would have been released a long time ago! It could have saved us from so many "what do you do" posts.

 

[Pestilence11]

I can imagine that once you understand how to protect yourself from the environment and get better gear + not pissing off the sentinels, it'd be pretty easy. I want to play the game with tons of combat so I wonder how hard it can get!

I find it interesting that he doesn't mention sentinels at all, unless I missed it. I assumed they were a big part of the game.

 

[ironcreed]

I'm loving how this dude's experience playing the game is basically acting as an ink blot test for people who have already decided they love or hate this god damn game.

Daymeeuhn is at the center of the universe confirmed.

 

[Turin Turambar]

I'm loving how this dude's experience playing the game is basically acting as an ink blot test for people who have already decided they love or hate this god damn game.

He liked some stuff, disliked other parts, some parts were not up to hype (let's be honest, that was the expected, the hype of some people was way off the charts), he found some unbalanced stuff/possible bugs (which is even more normal, given he doesn't have a day 1 patch). Imo, pretty normal impressions.

The fact that some people are thinking that he has to be playing wrong or he skipped so many things (do they really believe there are mechanics or progression in 35 hours?) and he can't be trusted is hilarious.

 

[DR2K]

Some people are taking this game way too seriously.

 

[dancegrenade]

If they had shown more of the game less people would be hanging on this guy's word.

"ITS THEIR FAULT! I HAVE NO POWER OVER HOW I FEEL ABOUT SOMETHING"

Why can't people just get over the fact that the devs DON'T WANT TO SHOW YOU CERTAIN THINGS and let people figure it out for themselves. There has been plenty of game play footage.

"BUT I NEED JUSTIFICATION TO SPEND MY MONEY"

Wait for a sale.

 

[XANDER CAGE]

The fact that some people are thinking that he has to be playing wrong or he skipped so many things (do they really believe there are mechanics or progression in 35 hours?) and he can't be trusted is hilarious.

Full disclosure, I've always been a No Man's Sky skeptic. But yeah, this is kind of where I'm at. I'm seeing a lot of bargaining. The people asking "what if it's an old build?" "what if he missed a big huge secret aspect of the game?" etc etc...

Why can't people just get over the fact that the devs DON'T WANT TO SHOW YOU CERTAIN THINGS and let people figure it out for themselves. There has been plenty of game play footage.

...except that it sounds like they really did show pretty much everything.

 

[tuxfool]

Definitely, although it also sort of seems like they really did show pretty much everything there is to do in the game and people just didn't realize/believe that they'd seen the full gameplay loop (or Sony/HG were intentionally vague about it? Which I kind of doubt, but)

While they have shown plenty, their launch trailer(s) are emblematic of their method of promotion. They have never shown the entire gameplay loop in a contiguous fashion. You seldom got to see people fiddling with menus or a 20 minute section of a person scavenging materials.

"ITS THEIR FAULT! I HAVE NO POWER OVER HOW I FEEL ABOUT SOMETHING"

Why can't people just get over the fact that the devs DON'T WANT TO SHOW YOU CERTAIN THINGS and let people figure it out for themselves. There has been plenty of game play footage.

"BUT I NEED JUSTIFICATION TO SPEND MY MONEY"

Wait for a sale.

They can do as they like. There is no need to get angry. But I'm just explaining the consequence of them choosing to do it this way.

 

[Timeaisis]

So i know we don't have confirmation yet, but I'm taking this new information to mean it will in fact be impossible to meet another player if the galaxies are generated on the fly?

 

[SilverManson]

No Man's Sky is actually a racing sim confirmed.

Spoiler

/s

 

[dancegrenade]

While they have shown plenty. But they have never shown the entire gameplay loop in a contiguous fashion. You seldom got to see people fiddling with menus or a 20 minute section of a person scavenging materials.



They can do as they like. There is no need to get angry. But I'm just explaining the consequence of them choosing to do it this way.

You right. Not mad just like using caps lock to point out the mindset that I am observing. I should knock that shit off on certain boards lol.

 

[Karspankey]

So i know we don't have confirmation yet, but I'm taking this new information to mean it will in fact be impossible to meet another player if the galaxies are generated on the fly?

The planets are generated by a formula that outputs the same data no matter what. You can fly away from the planet as to unload it, un-generate it, but upon your return, it will re-generate exactly the same way it did before because of this for formula(s). It generates the same data for everyone, btw.

 

[dancegrenade]

Full disclosure, I've always been a No Man's Sky skeptic. But yeah, this is kind of where I'm at. I'm seeing a lot of bargaining. The people asking "what if it's an old build?" "what if he missed a big huge secret aspect of the game?" etc etc...



...except that it sounds like they really did show pretty much everything.

So you have seen all the planets and what not? What is "everything"?

 

[Karspankey]

So you have seen all the planets and what not? What is "everything"?

Everything there is to the main gameplay loop, dude. The basis of the 4 gameplay trailers.

 

[Timeaisis]

The planets are generated by a formula that outputs the same data no matter what. You can fly away from the planet as to unload it, un-generate it, but upon your return, it will re-generate exactly the same way it did before because of this for formula(s). It generates the same data for everyone, btw.

Ah, that makes more sense. At this point I'm just wondering if players are actually playing together or not.

 

[DiscoShark]

Full disclosure, I've always been a No Man's Sky skeptic. But yeah, this is kind of where I'm at. I'm seeing a lot of bargaining. The people asking "what if it's an old build?" "what if he missed a big huge secret aspect of the game?" etc etc...

Starbound was the game that sobered me on all the possibilities that come with huge procedurally generated universes. Skeptical exactly describes where I've been with No Man's Sky for a good while. Gonna be interested in reading not only reviews but the general reception for the title 3-4 months down the line.