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No Man's Sky Spoiler Thread

What are the chances that they'll fix the ground textures with the day one patch?

It's just atrocious at this point, and really takes away from the other scenery.



Also, aliased plants, no shadows on rocks, and no SSAO...

Yeah, but tell me about the Floating Continent
 
Well, if you print the disc, the game should function fine without a patch, and most content should be there. They shouldn't take for granted that everyone wants to hook it up online and download a massive content patch for a single player game.

OK then you have to wait another month for the game. Seriously, lead times are a thing. It's not like they just call a disc printing factory and order 10 million copies for tomorrow morning. Either they fully finish the game and then sit on their thumbs while it's printed, or they print 95% of it and continue working during the print process, after which they release a patch with the last 5%.

Considering that the overwhelming majority of players are going to have some form of internet connection, the latter option is the better one. More people will bemoan a delay than a small launch patch.
 
Otherwise, why would they freak out so badly about leaks? Sure alot of devs do, but to this extent where Sony has to step in and release a statement...

Obviously if there are bugs, tweaks, or performance increases that they've been working on since it went to cert, they'd like the day-1 patched version to be the one people are ogling over on streams. Also, at its core the game is about exploring the unknown, in a shared galaxy with everyone else, and getting to put your stamp on it (if you wish). People playing the game early, press or otherwise, are jumping the line on the that before the starting pistol has been sounded. I can see HG taking the stance that it's a matter of "fairness" that we all get to-- more or less-- begin the great galactic land rush at the same time.
 
Textures? Probably 0. They're all procedurally generated, probably been part of the code for years now.

The way the game works, it's never going to look as nice as other games with hand drawn stuff. Personally I think it looks good. I guess I'm just not very fussy.

Yeah I'm not expecting something as good as hand-crafted, but there are other procedurally generated games with better textures.

Just, anything better than N64 textures lol.

If it looks that bad on PC, hopefully there will be texture mods.
 
Yeah I'm not expecting something as good as hand-crafted, but there are other procedurally generated games with better textures.

Just, anything better than N64 textures lol.

If it looks that bad on PC, hopefully there will be texture mods.

C'mon now.. lets not be crazy lol

Also, I doubt NMS will be mod-friendly like, at all. I wouldn't expect texture mods, player made models being introduced, etc... anything. The game is going to be the game. For better or worse.
 
The damage control from Hello Games / Sony is incredible. They've spent the entire lead up from announcement to release being as vague as possible about what their game is all about. After years of teasing some lucky few get their hands on an early copy, they start streaming and we finally get to see what No Mans Sky is without the guiding hand of careful PR. At the final hour it turns out that what we are seeing is supremely inferior to the mythical "day one patch" version of the game that is apparently so important that it's not even worth reviewing.

That may be the case Hello Games but now that we've seen the game warts and all, how about giving us an indication of what's in this mythical patch that makes it so much superior to the disc version?

That's obviously too much to ask from this company who have been cagey since day one. I'm sure they'll be able to milk a few more pre-orders between now and when we see their TRUE vision.
 
The damage control from Hello Games / Sony is incredible. They've spent the entire lead up from announcement to release being as vague as possible about what their game is all about.

What a load of crap. Sean's been as open as possible about what the game is and there've been countless previews, interviews, and demos before the game went gold.
 
I mean... If this is a lie, it's -really- easy to test. Apparently game saves won't even work after the update and there will be a reseeded universe

The universe will not be "reseeded". There is only one seed. They're just resetting it (i.e., removing all named stuff).

edit: You know, it's funny to think about in hindsight, but if this game had been "smaller" in terms of promotion and not gotten a physical release on PS4, none of the leak/early copies would have been an issue.
 
Yeah I'm not expecting something as good as hand-crafted, but there are other procedurally generated games with better textures.

Just, anything better than N64 textures lol.

If it looks that bad on PC, hopefully there will be texture mods.

7 Days to Die uses the same voxel destruction and ground textures aren't great either. What game with the same sort of tech looks vastly better?
 
C'mon now.. lets not be crazy lol

Also, I doubt NMS will be mod-friendly like, at all. I wouldn't expect texture mods, player made models being introduced, etc... anything. The game is going to be the game. For better or worse.

Again, I'm only talking about the ground textures. All the other textures look fine (Some of the animals look a bit rough) but the ground ones do indeed look like N64.

7 Days to Die uses the same voxel destruction and ground textures aren't great either. What game with the same sort of tech looks vastly better?

Ah to be honest, I forgot about the terraforming, that does give it a good excuse. Subnautica has that though and the ocean floor textures look better.
 
The universe will not be "reseeded". There is only one seed. They're just resetting it (i.e., removing all named stuff).

edit: You know, it's funny to think about in hindsight, but if this game had been "smaller" in terms of promotion and not gotten a physical release on PS4, none of the leak/early copies would have been an issue.

If they were just resetting it, then an old game save theoretically could work. A save breaking "universe reset" really speaks to a reseed. Also the patch is making the game more colorful - I can't think of any way they could do that without reseeding, can you?
 
It's Friday... y'all are posting while drinking again aren't you?

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How does the multiplayer work?

I don't even understand why there is confusion on this. It's not an mp game but it will allow you to see another person if they are nearby. It won't tell you it's a real person and it won't give you tools to find other people. And you will be lucky to see another person. The only reason that feature is there is to add to the feeling that you are truly alone (cause you know there are other people in the same universe but you still don't encounter them). Is that really that hard to comprehend? The only people I find who have a hard time are those that want a multiplayer and refuse to believe this isn't one.

Also from what I have read about complaints from seeing the leaked footage the only thing that Sean lied about was the difficulty of the game and how frequent life on planets is (and there is some evidence to say that is a bug that there is so much). So far everything else I've seen and read about sounds about right for what he's been saying for more than a year.
 
What a load of crap. Sean's been as open as possible about what the game is and there've been countless previews, interviews, and demos before the game went gold.

As open as possible being the operative words. What we weren't told is the important thing. Seems like they let people's imaginations run wild and the actual game is going to be far less engaging than what people have been hyping up.
 
So anyone know by what capacity Sean means that those playing the leaked version are not getting the true No Man's Sky experience?

I don't think mere bugs here and there would cause such a drastic alteration of perception. Maybe there is an interesting non-direct multiplayer component to the game or something?
 
I don't even understand why there is confusion on this. It's not an mp game but it will allow you to see another person if they are nearby. It won't tell you it's a real person and it won't give you tools to find other people. And you will be lucky to see another person. The only reason that feature is there is to add to the feeling that you are truly alone (cause you know there are other people in the same universe but you still don't encounter them). Is that really that hard to comprehend? The only people I find who have a hard time are those that want a multiplayer and refuse to believe this isn't one.

Also from what I have read about complaints from seeing the leaked footage the only thing that Sean lied about was the difficulty of the game and how frequent life on planets is (and there is some evidence to say that is a bug that there is so much). So far everything else I've seen and read about sounds about right for what he's been saying for more than a year.

I think the point of that MP comment stems from this exchange that happened a few posts earlier:

The damage control from Hello Games / Sony is incredible. They've spent the entire lead up from announcement to release being as vague as possible about what their game is all about. After years of teasing some lucky few get their hands on an early copy, they start streaming and we finally get to see what No Mans Sky is without the guiding hand of careful PR. At the final hour it turns out that what we are seeing is supremely inferior to the mythical "day one patch" version of the game that is apparently so important that it's not even worth reviewing.

That may be the case Hello Games but now that we've seen the game warts and all, how about giving us an indication of what's in this mythical patch that makes it so much superior to the disc version?

That's obviously too much to ask from this company who have been cagey since day one. I'm sure they'll be able to milk a few more pre-orders between now and when we see their TRUE vision.

What a load of crap. Sean's been as open as possible about what the game is and there've been countless previews, interviews, and demos before the game went gold.

How does the multiplayer work?
 
I think the point of that MP comment stems from this exchange that happened a few posts earlier:

Yes I realize that. I was pointing out his gotcha wasn't much of a gotcha. Why do you think I also added in the part about Sean only lieing about two things which also addresses his earlier post about how it was all deception?
 
Yes I realize that. I was pointing out his gotcha wasn't much of a gotcha. Why do you think I also added in the part about Sean only lieing about two things which also addresses his earlier post about how it was all deception?
When I hit quote, your second paragraph wasn't on my screen yet. I didn't notice it until after I had posted the reply and figured meh, just leaving it as is. Sorry about the slight confusion :)

Does the fact that you have to write this not raise red flags immediately?
I wouldn't say they're lies necessarily. Things change during the course of production. It was once said there wouldn't be NPC's in the game and now there are. Sean totally lied about that too then by this standard. Also, judging the entirety of a game on a small sample size when everyone's experience with it has the potential to be polar opposites is a tad hasty.

So quick to condemn. I don't get it. What is it with this game? I guess no one is streaming at the moment, not much else to rattle on about. No spoilers or screenshots to discuss.
 
I don't even understand why there is confusion on this. It's not an mp game but it will allow you to see another person if they are nearby. It won't tell you it's a real person and it won't give you tools to find other people. And you will be lucky to see another person. The only reason that feature is there is to add to the feeling that you are truly alone (cause you know there are other people in the same universe but you still don't encounter them). Is that really that hard to comprehend? The only people I find who have a hard time are those that want a multiplayer and refuse to believe this isn't one.

Also from what I have read about complaints from seeing the leaked footage the only thing that Sean lied about was the difficulty of the game and how frequent life on planets is (and there is some evidence to say that is a bug that there is so much). So far everything else I've seen and read about sounds about right for what he's been saying for more than a year.

Since the game isn't actually out until Tuesday, I don't think this is a claim anyone can make.
 
Right now there's only 2 scenarios

Sony and HG are lying, and the patch isn't anything major
Sony and HG are telling the truth that the leaked game isn't the full experience/isn't what the players are going to play.

It's that simple. We know a patch is coming though.
 
Also from what I have read about complaints from seeing the leaked footage the only thing that Sean lied about was the difficulty of the game and how frequent life on planets is (and there is some evidence to say that is a bug that there is so much). So far everything else I've seen and read about sounds about right for what he's been saying for more than a year.
What do you mean, he lied? We've had 1) impressions here staring the game is hard and 2) it's likely a bug in the labels/10% is still over a quadrillion planets with life. We haven't seen enough planets to extrapolate

Right now there's only 2 scenarios

Sony and HG are lying, and the patch isn't anything major
Sony and HG are telling the truth that the leaked game isn't the full experience/isn't what the players are going to play.

It's that simple. We know a patch is coming though.
What would make anyone assume that they're lying?
 
Does the fact that you have to write this not raise red flags immediately?
Lying isn't even the right way to phrase it, in discussions about the game over years, some things don't make it in. Lying is with the intent to deceive, this is just being incorrect. Like with the landing on asteroids, he was all "yes, currently we can land on asteroids" - if we can't land on asteroids now, some people are going to be like "woah, liar" but that doesn't make sense.

In that same regard, a lot of things that you want to get in just can't make it in, you need to start budgeting and prioritizing for time left. The big glaring things I can see are hiring wingmen and... Well nothing else really. And maybe hiring wingmen doesn't make it in release but makes it in 1.1.

I might be over sensitive because I work in software, but software is hard, and for a small shop being agile and mostly viable for release and iterating on that is just the smart way to handle software.
 
Are this update and whatever the day one patch is the same thing? That's where I'm getting confused.
No guarantee, but I'm pretty certain. The Sony letter says the day -1 update is a significant experience changer and save breaking. Hello games said in that tweet that this is the first update that they've been working on for the last month.

If this were not Mondays update, I'd imagine they wouldn't refer to it as the first update.
 
Does the fact that you have to write this not raise red flags immediately?

I really like how you completely ignored the rest of my post and only quoted part of a sentence (not even the whole sentence!)... missing the whole point, are we? And it seems on purpose too (Why else do such heavy editing of what I wrote to only pick a few words).

I only said lieing because I was on an ipad and it was easier than writing out made some claims that didn't seem to come true from what I've seen/read. My entire point was only two things have been changed and for the most part the game is what he's been claiming. I am reasonable enough to realize that things might not be 100% to my expectations. Especially when we're talking stuff like difficulty of a game which can be quite subjective. Which is the only thing I'm worried about so far (a little disappointing if life is more common but as I pointed out, which you cut out along with most everything else I said, there is some evidence that is a bug).

When I hit quote, your second paragraph wasn't on my screen yet. I didn't notice it until after I had posted the reply and figured meh, just leaving it as is. Sorry about the slight confusion :)


I wouldn't say they're lies necessarily. Things change during the course of production. It was once said there wouldn't be NPC's in the game and now there are. Sean totally lied about that too then by this standard. Also, judging the entirety of a game on a small sample size when everyone's experience with it has the potential to be polar opposites is a tad hasty.

So quick to condemn. I don't get it. What is it with this game? I guess no one is streaming at the moment, not much else to rattle on about. No spoilers or screenshots to discuss.

I wasn't trying to say I was upset about it or not. Just it was the easiest/quickest way to get my point across that what he's said about the game has mostly been true other than two things.

Since the game isn't actually out until Tuesday, I don't think this is a claim anyone can make.

I'm just saying from what I have seen/read what has been played. I was actually retorting against hte person who claimed that Hello Games/Sony was being deceitful and just trying to scam us. I was pointing out from what we've seen so far only two things haven't fit with what they've said.

What do you mean, he lied? We've had 1) impressions here staring the game is hard and 2) it's likely a bug in the labels/10% is still over a quadrillion planets with life. We haven't seen enough planets to extrapolate


What would make anyone assume that they're lying?

See my other responses. Also, I think I pointed out number 2 in my response (pointing out that one of the things that doesn't seem to be true might just be a bug).

(and how come all you people don't notice I was actually defending the game? Just cause I used one word cause it was easier than typing all this out on a frikkin ipad. ANd you all zoom in on one word and miss the context).
 
True true, about 2am here.
Same here. 2am now. Should probably get to bed soon. Was really hoping someone would be streaming.

Earlier in the night, I checked the Live On Playstation bit on psn and I saw about 6 or so NMS streams. I picked one and was watching it for a bit. But person seemed lost, like really lost. I think he or she had wandered really far away from their ship and then a massive storm warning started and they just kept jetpacking up and down these giant hills and cliffs and canyons. Someone in the stream chat said don't jump and the next person said jump. Hehe.

Actually, I'm gonna check to see if there are any active streams now. I see eight or so at the moment without endlessly hitting the more button. One stream is called Harambe's Super Autistic LSD Adventure.

And to think, I wonder how many of these people know they're going to lose their saves come launch day.
 
Same here. 2am now. Should probably get to bed soon. Was really hoping someone would be streaming.

Earlier in the night, I checked the Live On Playstation bit on psn and I saw about 6 or so NMS streams. I picked one and was watching it for a bit. But person seemed lost, like really lost. I think he or she had wandered really far away from their ship and then a massive storm warning started and they just kept jetpacking up and down these giant hills and cliffs and canyons. Someone in the stream chat said don't jump and the next person said jump. Hehe.

Actually, I'm gonna check to see if there are any active streams now. I see eight or so at the moment without endlessly hitting the more button. One stream is called Harambe's Super Autistic LSD Adventure. Wow.

Yea I got the twitch directory open. I was watching him for a bit but muted lol
 
What would make anyone assume that they're lying?

I would say people who say they're simply doing damage control that the leaked info looked 'lacking' to some people.

That and..it's like, what should we expect out of the patch? Is there really something in the patch that will add stuff we haven't seen? I'm both ways about this. Still excited for NMS from what I've seen, but I don't want to get too excited for this patch..
 
I must say I'm really excited by the prospect of them emphasizing how totally unfinished the leaked version considering most everyone who has seen the leaked version thinks it looks awesome. Really makes their position much more believable than if it looked like a disaster.
 
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