The lead is so dull. She really brings the show down.
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2015-16 TV Cancellations: The Beast, having been fed, asks waiter for his bill.
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The lead is so dull. She really brings the show down.
Stumpokapow
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Never heard of Berlin Station and I only know of Epix because Epix is where Richard Roeper does film reviews now.
Edit: No, wait, that's Reelz.
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
Epix is allegedly a competitor to HBO, Showtime, Starz, and Cinemax. Their first foray into original scripted programming begins this October with Berlin Station (spy drama) and Graves (comedy starring Nick Nolte).
Yeah I feel like this was bound to happen. The bubble is gonna burst in a few years, which sucks in some ways. The channels that did scripted before all this might come out fine or cut down but I get the feeling most others are gonna maybe push out 4 or 5 series and then retreat when they find it's not viable at all.
Wouldn't be surprised if Lifetime or WGN maybe are the first to bow out.
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
Speaking of WGN, how did their show 'Outsiders' turn out? I know it got a fairly tepid response early on, but did anyone actually see it through to the end?
Freeza Under The Shower
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I really enjoy the premise of Powers, medium aside. I guess a two season run is pretty decent though, given the one-and-done trend.
Wonder how long that DC 'powerless' show will survive. Anyone even want to bet on a second season for that one?
PHOENIXZERO
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Second season? How about a full first season?
Ratings for the premiere could be decent but then people will lose interest when there's no actual super hero stuff going on or anyone of significance used if they do show super heroes.
Norwegian Rudo
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Lifetime has their niche and are fairly succesful at it, and WGN is the one channel that has recently started doing originals that has kind of broken through. Manhattan was a critical hit (which means little, but got them some attention) while Outsiders, Salem and particularly Underground have done decent ratings. There are dozens of other channels that will bow out before either of them.
Is it wrong that I honestly never gave that show a chance simply because I knew that for it to really work they needed a fairly massive budget, and I knew there was no way that PSN would cough up the dough?
Did anyone watch it? Was it as low budget looking as I feared?
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
I am suspicious that there's really much to worry about here, even as someone who is on Peak TV and has been for years. In square braces I will denote the number of currently airing scripted shows, just by counting them on Wikipedia
"Networks" (channels, services, etc.) article says are safe: HBO [12-16], Showtime [9+], Starz [8+], FX [10+], AMC [10+], PBS [not really programming primetime per se, but anywhere from 2 to 30 or so shows depending on what you count], TNT [6+], TBS [6+], Comedy Central [17+], Syfy [8+], Netflix [25+], Hulu [6+], Amazon [7+]. So besides being all the most popular networks, this is also saying that "networks" making up 120+ shows and growing are basically safe
Ones author is worried about: National Geographic [0], Discovery [0], Lifetime [2], WGN America [3], OWN [1], We TV [1], Spike [0], Pop [1], Pivot [2], Esquire [1], El Rey [1]. Okay, so "networks" making up 12 shows and shrinking are in danger. Isn't this just tautological? The networks who are mostly reality/lifestyle but dabble in scripted are less likely to stick with scripted than the networks who fully commit to scripted? Okay? Half of the aforelisted networks don't even produce content, they just syndicate international stuff -- Pop only airs Schitt's Creek, which is primarily a CBC show; Esquire only airs Spotless, which is UK-French, Pivot airs Fortitude and Please Like Me (British and Australian respectively)... The author identifies that We TV is a big deal, and it is, but not in scripted, so it exiting scripted would be no more a big deal than it entering scripted.
The only network analyzed by the article that does not seem to fit cleanly is USA, which the article asserts is in danger. It's got 6 shows right now. I don't really understand how the article argues it's in danger. The article's only real claim is "All the critics like Mr. Robot and nobody even watches it". Okay, so it has that in common with Mad Men, I guess? USA is a network mostly known for producing 20 identical feel good light peril good looking dude action dramedies (most of which came to """natural""" ends around season 18 or whatever, and Suits is still going even though I'm pretty sure that was on TV back when Duke Nukem Forever was still the setup for a joke rather than the punchline). They've pivoted into more serious fare. If this doesn't work, I see no reason they'd exit scripted versus just launching a show about a good looking, say, sex therapist slash, say, international art theft investigator who finds himself in light but assuredly handsome peril when things go wrong on the job. Blue skies, baby. I also don't think USA has a problem with loss leading Mr. Robot, to be honest.
The article doesn't bring up more interesting cases like History (traditionally reality-focused, pivoting into scripted somewhat more successful), Sundance (clearly more like the "at risk" cases), or NBC's expansion into OTT Premium SVOD with Seeso and the other half-dozen subscription services they want to launch. Are these sustainable? Not sure. Interested in hearing someone assess this. It also doesn't discuss the HBO/Cinemax or FX/FXX brand stuff, which is pretty interesting to me.
I guess the short version of what I'm saying is this: if the Peak TV bubble popping means that a bunch of networks no one has ever heard of stop producing the 1-2 projects they're currently producing, no one will notice. I think if it deters, like, HGTV from launching a scripted drama where the pool guy and the gardener team up to hold Ian Ziering's family hostage and the audience learns about american class stratification or something, no one will notice. I think if Peak TV actually disrupts the places we go to for quality content, if Netflix slashes its original content budget, if HBO can't justify $15 in subscription numbers, if Hulu exits originals--these are signs that something is badly wrong, and I'm not seeing them.
firehawk12
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The reviews were so negative for it that I don't think most people bothered.
Also... why does National Geographic need a TV show?
I watched the first episode when it came out and it looked like crap.
I'm actually of the same mind on the matter, really. Like someone pointed out as well, Lifetime has a niche but I don't think a loss leader like unREAL is gonna drive viewers towards their regular programming (and unREAL being in general decline critically this season doesn't do it any favours). Much like networks/channels that normally didn't or still don't have a tradition of airing scripted programming (not even syndication), they might bow out fairly quick as well and won't be missed or even noticed. I'm certainly not worried about the actual bigger players dropping out either unless something changes and all the momentum the system has built up just suddenly evaporates and disappears overnight or something.
Dedication Through Light
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I hope ABC enewed 500 Questions
Only if Richard Quest returns!
User 479360
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Preacher is pretty good. I'm not sure of what i think of Outcast right now, but I'm several episodes behind.
beat
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WHERE IS OVERSTOCK DOT COM THO
I don't go out of my way to watch it, but the editing and stuff is hilarious. The two episdoes I've watched were full of quick cuts and dramatic music even in shots that didn't call for it. I get a real Bad Boys 2 vibe from the editing.
I'm the opposite. I think Outcast is pretty good and I'm not sure what to think of Preacher. Still got a few eps of Preacher to watch and last weeks episode of Outcast.
I don't know if Preacher can top that hotel scene, but I enjoyed the heck out of the season, problems and all!
EmpressInYellow
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So with Aquarius moving back to Saturdays, we're pretty sure that's done, right?
Kind of a shame. I wouldn't call it a good show, but watching them try to fit in virtually every significant event or social movement of the late 1960s is sort of entertaining in a "half-watch while I do other stuff" kind of way.
Kind of a shame. I wouldn't call it a good show, but watching them try to fit in virtually every significant event or social movement of the late 1960s is sort of entertaining in a "half-watch while I do other stuff" kind of way.
Norwegian Rudo
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I honestly feel sorry for people who can't get past how expensive a show looks.
In the case of Powers; was it cheap looking? Sure, but I thought season 2 was right there with Jessica Jones as the best superhero show of the past year. Even season 1 got pretty good by the end.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
The commercials for Season 2 weren't doing them any favors. I must have seen the promo 100 times because of Hulu, and Michael Madsen hamming it up and screaming always made me laugh.
But I've never actually watched the show. I made it maybe 10 minutes into the first episode and turned it off. Not my cup of tea.
User 479360
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When I say pretty good, I mean that if someone were to ask me my thoughts so far, I'd say: "Oh, it's pretty good." Not a ringing endorsement.
I haven't fully clicked with Preacher yet, nor Outcast, but as I said I'm still several episodes behind on both. I have 5 left of one and 5-6 left of the other.
Preacher is alright, but nothing special thus far.
From what I can tell the ratings are not hot, but the viewership is up from the latter half of the first season. Jennifer Salke at NBC's TCA a couple of days back mentioned that it would be tough renewing it, but that they still support the team. So I guess it's possible, but its chances are definitely not great.
User 479360
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I watched one or two episodes of Aquarius, as a huge Duchovny fan, but it did nothing for me. Is it still crap?
PHOENIXZERO
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Zoo takes place after Under the Dome right? Is this what the Dome was meant to protect the people of Mills Landing from?
Stumpokapow
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the only zoo i remember from mill's landing is that fucking cow being split in two
User 479360
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Zoo is related to Under the Dome?
Jason Frost
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There won't be a season 3 of Zoo with those ratings, right?
So, the season 2 will probably end on a cliffhanger and the story will never be resolved because the show will be cancelled...
So, the season 2 will probably end on a cliffhanger and the story will never be resolved because the show will be cancelled...
PHOENIXZERO
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From what little I've seen, it feels like it should be.
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
Stump probably has a running list of possible thread title changes for Powerless, his first clean shot across the bow of superhero entertainment.
I think it was doing around the same as Under the Dome did in its third season. It's the summer, so it's possible it gets a short(er) third season, but they cancelled Under the Dome for around the same performance.
robotzombie
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nvm
Dedication Through Light
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Yeah. This is... unwanted.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
That's like the most random crossover ever.
I'd rather have Jake show up on Masterchef or something. lol
Dedication Through Light
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Amazons Goliath was finally dated for October, i cant wait. I loved the two episodes I saw.
But... why is this a thing
This...is terrible. I'll be surprised if they can make this actually be entertaining. But my first thought is that New Girl is also past its prime.
dead souls
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I'm only watching B99 out of inertia so a lame crossover doesn't surprise me. Put this turkey out of its misery.
I hope it's as good (lol) as the Bones/Sleepy Hollow one.
I hope it's as good (lol) as the Bones/Sleepy Hollow one.
Lactose_Intolerant
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The show has been going downhill ever since Terry Crews got over his fear of guns/getting shot.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Wait, do people hate B99 now? I had no idea. lol
Well, I definitely thought the last three episodes, after Mantzoukas's character left, were pretty damned weak. The show seemed to be leaning into wild, over-the-top serialization in a bad way. I hope S4 recovers some, but a crossover involving the awful people on New Girl is dispiriting.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Can't say that after Sleepy Hollow and Bones crossed.
lol. I think a lot of people have turned out in but I'm still enjoying it.
To be honest I'm a little surprised it's lasted as long as it has. I stopped watching a few episodes into the second season, but the show always existed in the grey area between like and dislike for me.
OdysseusVA
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another superhero team up!
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