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No Man's Sky - Early Impressions/Reviews-in-progress Thread

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Well, not that Hello games were really clear duringg this period, they were pretty vague saing it ALMOST impossible instead of saying a simple no, that's impossible.
Im not even just talking about multiplayer at this point. The it's no a game,the they lied, spore, etc it's been going on 3 years from the exact same people so why waste your time trying to explain/reason with them for? They made up their mind so any lil thing will become a big thing hence half of this thread blowing up because of a day one patch
 

Kyne

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so my take on it is that stuff like naming planets is shared online.. but you'll never actually run into another player?

adding to that, since the day/night cycle were different in that screenshot despite being on the exact same planet in the exact same place, I take it that any changes that one player made to the planet aren't shared with the other?

I swear I heard that stuff like that would be widespread and shared between everyone. Maybe I heard wrong.

kind of a bummer.
 
So when the narrative isn't going your way, you just dismiss it, nice.

I am saying it is such an infinitesimally small insignificant point whether you actually see another person in the world or not. It's not the point of the game. It isn't multiplayer. Not now, not ever. If you don't like the game as it is, do something else.
 
We always knew there's like 14 Quintrillion planets or whatever so obviously you won't ever see anyone else. It's pretty damn obvious.
 

ironcreed

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There is a big difference between 'pretty much impossible' and just 'impossible', and they knew that distinction and they straddled it. And everyone here is wondering why we are confused.

I do wish that they would have just said it straight up, but it was still always clear to me with the, 'it's extremely unlikely' and 'it's more of a single player game with shared experiences' talk. I mean, it was pretty obvious that this was not meant to be a multiplayer game.
 

KoopaTheCasual

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I would like to think if that is their true intention, they would just say it. So I am still on the side of caution where this is a bug/implementation/syncing issue they need iron out more. Just did not take priority for launch. Hell, it could have been something that popped up from the 1.03 patch.
We can only hope this is the case, because it would be really shitty to catch them in the middle of a straight up lie =/

How hard is it to say, "meh" and move on with your lives?
Really? A genuine critique over a lack of communication to the consumer and your response is "get over it"? Do you actually have anything to contribute?
 

Elmertos

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I don't really care how rare it would be to meet another player, but the possibility that it's not even possible in the game definitely changes the "somebody is out there" feel.

I don't need pvp or trading, I would just want to think there might be somebody somewhere and something more in the game universe.
 

flkraven

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They have been clear. Maybe you mean commenters here were not?

Infinitesimally Small means a non-zero chance. But good luck. Not that hard people.

Two people probably need to be in the same system on the same server. Because, this isn't a MP game.


All these probablys, lol. Not very clear, is it?

Here is an interview from less than 2 weeks ago:

http://www.universityherald.com/art...-buy-it-on-august-9-us-release-date-video.htm

No Man's Sky": Is it single-player or multiplayer game?

Ultimately, the answer is both. However, the chances of bumping into another player in this colossal universe is extremely thin. Even if 100 players landed on the same planet at the same time, they wouldn't instantly be able to find each other: it's important to remember that "No Man's Sky's planets are the size of real planets.



No mention of server restraints. Just saying that the size of the galaxy and planet would be the only barrier to meeting someone.
 

TyrantII

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I don't really care how rare it would be to meet another player, but the possibility that it's not even possible in the game definately changes the "somebody is out there" feel.

I don't need pvp or trading, I would just want to think there might be somebody somewhere and something more in the game universe.

Two dude on twitch couldn't is now "it's not possible".

Ok.
 
We can only hope this is the case, because it would be really shitty to catch them in the middle of a straight up lie =/


Really? A genuine critique over a lack of communication to the consumer and your response is "get over it"? Do you actually have anything to contribute?

It's like saying Binding of Isaac has 500 items when in reality it only has 499, and then getting all bent out of shape and pissy about it. If your entire reason for playing the game was seeing another person in this game, and not being able to do that ruined any hope of fun in the game, well jesus christ, I don't know what to tell you, man.

You know what pisses me off? Dead Space 3 saying it has co-op multiplayer and then realizing that I cannot play it on the couch with my wife. Now that is something to really be disappointed about.
(Hell any games which say they have co-op multiplayer, but don't specifically say it's online-only, such bullshit)
 

RK9039

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My opinion is, let people believe they have a small chance of see each other to generate more hype that simply say "no, that's impossible"

Don't other devs get a lot of shit for lying? Sure they didn't say explicitly but it was eluded to many times.

ed: "Lying" might be too harsh, I'll say they were being too vague.
 

KooopaKid

Banned
I feel like I could see this coming from a mile away. I'd see people on reddit and other forums talking about the game's systems, with ridiculous scale and intricacy, and just be baffled because every single gameplay video they released boiled down to a relatively shallow survival experience where the main focus was really just exploring and discovering new things. The people deep on the hype train were talking about a game that to my mind didn't seem to exist.

Maybe the marketing gives the "Just the tip of the iceberg" impression off a little strongly, but when it comes to this stuff I generally feel that what you see is what you get; I never built out some grandiose expectation for what this game was because what I actually saw seems to be essentially what the game is. And I kinda think I'll dig it, but if I approached it with hyped up expectations I think I would be disappointed to.

I won't make silly generalizations like "If they thought the game was something other than what it is, they are idiots", but just speaking for myself, nothing about these early impressions has surprised me. This is exactly the game I was expecting from the jump, and it seems pretty rad, and an incredible base to build from with post-launch support. That said, my expectations came almost entirely from actual gameplay videos and not from absurd echo chamber reddit threads.

I just hope the Hello Games guys don't let the divisiveness get them down. Maybe they could've marketed better, but now just accept that the game you made, while great and unique, is not for everyone and just ignore the negativity and vitriol this game will get from communities and critics who let their imagination run wild. You made something great for what it actually is, so fuck the haters and just keep making it better.

Great post. With video games previews, more often than not, what you see is what you get, or less, regarding the moment-to-moment gameplay.
 

Shirow

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Wow so does this mean that this game is basically single player instead of the whole "connected universe" dream they sold everyone on?

Sheesh what a let down.
 

TyrantII

Member
All these probablys, lol. Not very clear, is it?

Here is an interview from less than 2 weeks ago:

http://www.universityherald.com/art...-buy-it-on-august-9-us-release-date-video.htm

No Man's Sky": Is it single-player or multiplayer game?

Ultimately, the answer is both. However, the chances of bumping into another player in this colossal universe is extremely thin. Even if 100 players landed on the same planet at the same time, they wouldn't instantly be able to find each other: it's important to remember that "No Man's Sky's planets are the size of real planets.



No mention of server restraints. Just saying that the size of the galaxy and planet would be the only barrier to meeting someone.

You keep digging in that hole.

As said, they made it very clear this isn't a COOP MP game. It has asynchronous MP and there's no promises you'll ever meet anyone.

How the tech works is irrelevent. I'm just trying to hammer what might be happening through your thick skull. You are the one that's jumping on "they lied" without any evidence to back up your claim.
 

Doomshine

Member
Again, in Journey you don't automatically see someone just because they are in the same area as you. You might get connected, but there's no guarantee.
 

KoopaTheCasual

Junior Member
It's like saying Binding of Isaac has 500 items when in reality it only has 499, and then getting all bent out of shape and pissy about it. If your entire reason for playing the game was seeing another person in this game, and not being able to do that ruined any hope of fun in the game, well jesus christ, I don't know what to tell you, man.
I have crazy news for you; The concept and ability to pass someone else in the vast universe was a beautiful idea that was very appealing to me (and clearly others on twitch/reddit/gaf). If it's not a big draw to you, cool. But actually try to understand that people play games for very different reasons.

I still plan on picking this up down the line, but this development is pretty disappointing to say the least.

Edit: And I'm still holding out hope that it's a server thing. But that honestly should have been communicated.
 

jett

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Don't other devs get a lot of shit for lying? Sure they didn't
say explicitly but it was eluded to many times.

This is as explicit as it comes.

4. WILL I MEET OTHER PLAYERS?

The answer to this question is similar to the one above. Yes, you may meet other players on your No Man's Sky journey, but then again, you may not. It totally depends on what you do.

But what is interesting is that even if you do bump into another player, you might not even notice.

Unlike other multiplayer games, ships belonging to real-world players won't be tagged with their name or any other indicator – a bit like Journey.

However, developer Hello Games has revealed that other players will look different from anything else in the game – especially if you spot them walking on a planet.

"You effectively see their suit, actually," said Murray. "So you won't know what's inside. It still won't answer for people whether you are an alien or whether you are a human or what you look like."

http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/ps4/feature/a801705/your-biggest-no-mans-sky-questions-answered/
 

Vire

Member
So in addition to fact that there are 10 quintillion planets, you have to hope you are in the same instance as someone else?

The odds of actually ever seeing anyone is like .0000000000000000000000000000000000001%
 

Wok

Member
From what I read, I get that when you arrive on a planet, the game creates locally an instance of that planet. I imagine there is no other option because of the scale of the universe.

To get multiplayer to work, the game would have to create a shared instance that would sync local positions of all players present in that instance with frequent ticks. I cannot imagine this to be an impossible task, yet I am totally expecting it to not be present at launch, because it is additional work. It could totally be a DLC: it does not sound too hard to do, but ideally would require some dedicated servers.
 

GHG

Gold Member
The TOD is different for both players despite being on the same planet at the "same time".

http://m.imgur.com/a/klomu

If they could in fact see each other's ships at the space station then I think it was something that as in development but possibly got cut in the last few months.
 

Kadin

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I'm more surprised that multiple people apparently have been to planets that others have. I thought that was supposed to be incredibly rare seeing as there are 18 Quintillion planets. I mean, is that something that might have been exaggerated?
 

TyrantII

Member
So in addition to fact that there are 10 quintillion planets, you have to hope you are in the same instance as someone else?

The odds of actually ever seeing anyone is like .0000000000000000000000000000000000001%

Like Journey. Which is what they've always claimed.

People dont understand asynchronous MP?
 

Kacho

Member
So in addition to fact that there are 10 quintillion planets, you have to hope you are in the same instance as someone else?

The odds of actually ever seeing anyone is like .0000000000000000000000000000000000001%

so-youre-telling-me-theres-a-chance-o.gif
 

Wok

Member
I'm more surprised that multiple people apparently have been to planets that others have. I thought that was supposed to be incredibly rare seeing as there are 18 Quintillion planets. I mean, is that something that might have been exaggerated?

It could just be that the devs do not know about uniformly sampling points on a sphere. Many people would start at the poles of the sphere, if done wrong.

SphericalDistribution_900.gif


Plus, when you start the game, I imagine everyone is at the same distance from the center of the Universe, so every players initially lie on a sphere. How many planets are on the sphere? Not 18 quintillion, this is for sure.
 
This is literally a Dumb and Dumber situation where Loyd is told to have one in a million chances to be with the girl he likes and then he gets mad when founds that the girl is married: "You said there was a chance! :mad: "
 
I'm more surprised that multiple people apparently have been to planets that others have. I thought that was supposed to be incredibly rare seeing as there are 18 Quintillion planets. I mean, is that something that might have been exaggerated?

It's also pretty much impossible for a single person to win the lottery with only 1 ticket, and yet people win
 
The developer has been way too vague with the information they have given with this game. In all the press material I've seen its been inferred that you exist in the same universe but since it's so vast it's unlikely you will run into someone and if you do, you won't know if it's a bot or a real person since you can't chat. And now it's come out that even if you are on the same planet standing in the same spot you won't see the other player.

They knew this from the beginning but refused to just come out and say it's impossible to see another player.

Yeah, I'm not rewarding them for this with a day one sale. I'll wait till black Friday.
 
If it's not in the game HG should just say so. I don't have any faith in these devs but I trust they'd at least have the decency not to release an early access game as a $60 retail product.
 
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