XiaNaphryz
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Well, why don't you go through the thread and let us know definitively then of the count? Since it seems a bunch of people are just throwing observations on how the thread has been going.
I'll wait.
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A polite discourse amongst friends on the importance of MP-elements in No Man's Sky
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Well, why don't you go through the thread and let us know definitively then of the count? Since it seems a bunch of people are just throwing observations on how the thread has been going.
I'll wait.
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Good question. Why don't you let us know when you're done counting?
EatinOlives
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PC version has bigger fires to put out, people will give a shit about being able to see other people once they can get it to launch
You don't need to count every grain of sand in a beach to know there's a lot of sand. A cursory glance at this thread tells you there's not a lot of rationality in it.
AcademicSaucer
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I dont know about Todd, he is almost there.
Your post didn't have a point. It was just the same hyperbole posted countless times without you actually backing it up.
thecouncil
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It astounds me how much Sean Murray is like Jesus Christ.
1. He's a white guy with a beard.
2. He traveled around spreading his message and getting people excited.
3. He has tons of devoted followers but a core team of approximately twelve people.
4. I love him so much that I'd follow him into the center of his universe (but not literally because it's impossible to meet him for such a journey).
5. He's a barefooted liar.
1. He's a white guy with a beard.
2. He traveled around spreading his message and getting people excited.
3. He has tons of devoted followers but a core team of approximately twelve people.
4. I love him so much that I'd follow him into the center of his universe (but not literally because it's impossible to meet him for such a journey).
5. He's a barefooted liar.
After some of the posts in this thread...you call my post hyperbole? Genuinely speechless at that.
You either had no point or the truth is actually the direct opposite of your intended point. Either way, it did not require avoiding.
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
Granted I haven't been following the thread completely since it started, but from what I've seen so far it doesn't seem like the majority of the irrationality is on the side you're suggesting it is. If you feel otherwise, again you're welcome to come back with data for your claim. Or are you just going to snark at everyone?
I made this comparison, and got eaten up for it. For what its worth, the comparison has nothing to do with harassment of women. Looking at GG, though, Eron Gjoni took one issue ("ethics in games journalism") and hitched it to a hit piece on a girl who had spurned him. Zoe was villified, but regardless of what happened behind the scenes, the essay he wrote was intended to wreck her life and rile up a bunch of pitchfork-bearing idiots on the internet to attack her. Is ethics in games journalism important? Probably, at least insomuch as ethics in any kind of journalism is. But aren't there more worthwhile targets than a woman who made a little browser game? Why does she deserve to have her effort and personal life ruined? We know games journalism has been by and large broken for years, with publishers controlling access and journalists accepting bribes or straight up advertising new titles without critical consideration.
I think what makes me uncomfortable about all of this is that, despite Murray's cagey behavior about a minor aspect of his team's game, the language and vitriol being thrown his way for it is completely unwarranted. The response and outrage is magnitudes larger than the actual issue at hand and ignores the fact that Hello Games (hell, any developer) spends years working all hours of the day -- losing sleep, ignoring family members and social lives and their own health -- to bring gamers something that they hope to be proud of. We can have a good discourse on how much NMS is worth (in terms of money or time investment) without being shitheads about it and wanting to burn the witch.
The image of an "entitled gamer" is one that expects a product to be *exactly as they want it, and any deviation from that? Well, fuck the developer! Fuck their hard work! Forget that these interviews take place over many years and that demonstrations are works in progress and that the game development process means that promises, unfortunately, cannot always be kept. Murray will forever be branded "a liar" for *maybe* fucking up one feature of his game, despite the fact that it largely works as advertised on the tin otherwise.
And, like targeting Zoe instead of the industry as a whole, it is ignoring the fact that all kinds of developers and publishers make similar mistakes all the time. Punishing one dude, or one small team, with this level of hate, *should* make anyone uncomfortable. Be disappointed, continue to question industry practices, but get a handle on that bullshit outrage. You gain nothing, you solve nothing, from crucifying Sean Murray.
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Your point literally doesn't exist without data. You can't just say you think one type of post is more prevalent than another and expect everyone else to agree.
Thank you, that's exactly what I was looking for. Follow up question....this achieves what exactly? The way I see it you're holding a gun to his head and demanding retribution for a percieved slight. What would be an appropriate answer to those questions, particularly the second one? Is there an explanation that would sufficiently quell the outrage over not being heard or more specifically, not being responded to? Is a lack of communication over a feature that exists just as atrocious as the feature not existing? If a developer tweets and nobody is around to witness it, did they ever tweet to begin with?
So are you actually going to show us these posts or nah
Krappadizzle
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And your post kind of proves that.
Incredibly insensitive for different reasons. Something about this thread is being out the greatness of GAF. I love it.
Well I've been on this thread since the beginning and most posts have been civil enough. I havent even seen any bannings and the fact that this thread is still not locked yet should tell you that theres still meaningful discussions to be had.
but thanks for the glance anyway.
My point is people are taking their reactions to a game that disappointed them completely and utterly off the deep end. I just can't see any need whatsoever for the level of vitriol thrown at this game.
Will Sean die for our sins and disappear for 3 days (this weekend) before coming out with an answer?
Krappadizzle
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You don't have a point unless you have proof/data/metrics to back it up. I'm sure there is some, maybe here in this thread, but from what I've read over the last 2 days, people have lodged their justified complaints, and then people come back with the Ultra Sean Hello Murray Games Defense Force or things along the lines of " I don't want it to be MP, so why is this a big deal?" completely missing the entire point of the thread. There is plenty of civility in this thread by rational people asking justifiable questions. Then there are the people who are completely dismissive of those people and saying they are spitting nothing but vitriol.
I'm on of those people that genuinely like Sean Murray and am also massively disappointed by how No Man's Sky tuned out.
I really don't see what you mean.
I'm serious. I've been around in this thread and yes, though there have been people hating on the game, I can tell you a lot of people have been rational.
Granted, 33% of this thread was about crackachu
I was even accused of believing the "fake" cover box art stickers which were later proven to be real.
Yes please gossi. If you can get the game to work.
Buying it now on Steam. I will refund it if performance sucks (after packet capturing).
thecouncil
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It's really bad, I agree. I apologize to anyone I seriously offended, including Sean, honestly.
LOL XD
Krappadizzle
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Well personally, my guess is that the feature doesn't exist. That's why they aren't tweeting about it. If the feature did exist, I see no good explanation for why Sean doesn't just say the feature isn't working right now.
Basically, here's how this drama is going to play out:
you CAN see others, but it was broken:
people will be pissed at Sean for not just tweeting that. Is that justified? I think so. He wrote like 5 tweets about how amazed he was that people were already meeting each other and completely avoided the problem that hundreds were asking him about. the issue here is poor communication.
you CANNOT see others:
people will be pissed at Sean because a feature he mentioned many times before launch never made it into the game and he did not clarify that it wasn't possible before launch. The issue here is poor communication compounded by deliberately avoiding the issue.
Lol love this thread.
kingofthedead45
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Do not sell them.
Air Zombie Meat
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Thanks for actually trying to explain yourself, much appreciated. I definitely agree that people go too far with this stuff. My exposure to this issue is consists of what I've read in this thread and outside of a few examples here and there I'm not seeing the crucifixion that people are complaining about. I'm sure things are worse off site and there are some genuinely nasty threats and abuse out there. I'm just not seeing much of it in this thread so when people come in talking about crucifixion and gamergate it's a bit baffling to me and seems more like people being upset that others are saying mean things about their new game.
Stone Ocean
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A strawman is not a point. Quote feature is over yonder, put your money where your mouth is and show the hyperbolic vitriol you're talking about.
Doing God's (Sean's) work
Indeed, but they never said it was 100% impossible. Just, super unlikely.
Krappadizzle
Member
Yes. Likely though is not never.
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"possible, but unlikely"
You honestly expect me to trawl through this thread and quote every post I've seen that qualifies? Not gonna happen. No game, nor any internet discussion is worth that to me. But you knew that, thus are able to dismiss everything I say because I didn't go trawl through the entire thread to give 'data' and 'metrics'.
If you are going to label every poster you better have the information to back it up
Unsurprisingly, somebody has already posted the GOG version (which is completely DRM free) on BitTorrent. Urgh.
By the way - if I post these packet captures (and there are issues), I don't want people to beat Sean up about it. Some of the antics happening towards Hello Games online (not here) is... really bad. I've just been reading tweets being sent to them. It's just a video game.
By the way - if I post these packet captures (and there are issues), I don't want people to beat Sean up about it. Some of the antics happening towards Hello Games online (not here) is... really bad. I've just been reading tweets being sent to them. It's just a video game.
Sho_Nuff82
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Asking for a clarification of basic feature set for a AAA release (and yes, NMS has been marketed like a AAA game) isn't entitlement. It's downright looney (and a convenient deflection) to compare it to the conspiracy theories levied during gg.
It would take one sentence, literally one sentence to clarify the feature set. Maybe one paragraph to explain why it didn't work or why it isn't in the game.
MisterR
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Seems like an awful lot of fuss over something that was never a selling point to the game. Did people really buy the game for the highly unlikely event they could possibly run into another person.
That didn't happen though.
Please re-read the thread of conversation to which you're replying. You're accusing me of doing something I never did.
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If you want to make the point that there are more vitriolic posts in this thread than there are reasonable ones, then yes, you absolutely need to back up your point with evidence. How does that not make sense?
Expect people to point that out, then. You made an assertion that you're not proving; rightly or wrongly, people are going to go after that.
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