Angelus Errare
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Rinoa, Irving, Squall = best group. Rofflestomped the game with them. Omega weapon was a joke, got all three low on life. Rinoa kept casting invincible moon, Squall lionheart, Irving
can't remember what his was called but yea
I would think so.I mean, the whole point of Ultimecia is that she is the last sorceress right (Ultimecia comes from Ultimate)? And she's as powerful as she is because she represents the lineage of Hyne and all sorceress power that existed before her. The most fascinating thing about this game is the time loop where at the end Ultimecia has yet to even be born, and she eventually becomes the world's de factor dictator where I'm pretty sure she is the last Sorceress. That's why I always found it incredibly intriguing that when time finally compresses you are forced into a battle royale of Sorceresses from different points in history and once you move through compressed time into the future you confront the ultimate and last Sorceress, Ultimecia who has Sorceress power times a bajillion lol.
Yeah it does make sense that she has 'collected' all the sorceress power and is the last one, but when she transfers her powers to Edea then, doesn't Edea become incredible powerful too and get all the sorceress power from every sorceress like Ultimecia had? And then by the time Ultimecia gets her powers back, she gets what she had the last loop + power from different sorceress this time around? Lol timeloops are so confusing.
Yeah. The time loop creates some really interesting paradoxes. But what you're saying is completely correct, I'm sure as each time loop passes there's an incredible build of sorceress power to the point where Squall and the others will eventually be unable to stop Ultimecia and maybe that's how she breaks the time loop and wins in the end. Maybe that was her plan all along! lol
Yeah it does make sense that she has 'collected' all the sorceress power and is the last one, but when she transfers her powers to Edea then, doesn't Edea become incredible powerful too and get all the sorceress power from every sorceress like Ultimecia had? And then by the time Ultimecia gets her powers back, she gets what she had the last loop + power from different sorceress this time around? Lol timeloops are so confusing.
Yeah. The time loop creates some really interesting paradoxes. But what you're saying is completely correct, I'm sure as each time loop passes there's an incredible build of sorceress power to the point where Squall and the others will eventually be unable to stop Ultimecia and maybe that's how she breaks the time loop and wins in the end. Maybe that was her plan all along! lol
According to one of the entries in the Tutorial glossary menu, sorceress power weakens with each succession:
"When a sorceress is about to die, she gives her power to the next person who 'inherits' her sorceress powers. According to Odine's research, the power tends to weaken with each succession."
Unfortunately, Square fucked up and this entry cannot be unlocked in a normal game unless you hack it, lol.
For the longest time this blue spots bugged to me. They are supposed to mark the location of Centra Excavation Site, the place Laguna visits in one of the dreams.
I thought this crater in Trabia was the result of missile launch, but apparently it's the aftermath of Lunar Cry 17 years ago that Laguna also was witness to.
I love this little tidbits of environmental storytelling. One of the best FF8 features is its great attention to worlduilding.
I'm not sure about this one,I always thought the reason Ultimecia wanted time compression was so that she could be the last. Only she can exist in a time compressed world because time magic is her thing (Edea is ice, Rinoa healing). Sorceresses can't die until they pass on their powers so compressing time means that all of the other sorceresses die and the power has to go to Ultimecia. Meaning she is as close to the original Hyne as she can get.
Rinoa eventually get's the powers of Adel, Edea and Ultimecia, so then Rinoa passes on her powers through the generations until Ultimecia is born and get's them all back in the future.... my head hurts lol.
The possibility of the relatively infinite build-up of power due to the time-loop making Ultimecia invincible is pretty much impossible, because the loop will always make Rinoa an inheritor of her powers via Edea, thus making sure that Rinoa herself would always be around the same strength tier as Ultimecia
Time loops are awesome.
Did OP ever finish the game?
Oh boy we're getting super meta now. Ultimecia's reasoning for compressing time is completely context driven and only hinted at through her speech in Deling City. But the entire game is a self fulfilling prophecy. Ultimecia wants to compress time as result of her actions and the time loop she created. When she casts the fascination spell in Deling City and starts saying shit like, "What happened to the ruthless Sorceress who slaughtered thousands and destroyed many nations? She stands before you now as your new ruler."
After the events of the game, Ultimecia's interference in world events and the Second Sorceress War would become well known. SEED will continue to exist many generations after Squall's and Rinoa's time and prepare for Ultimecia's eventual birth and ascent to power (when you're in compressed time you see countless White SEED dead along the beach leading up to Ultimecia's castle, which is evidence of continued struggle by SEED against Ultimecia in the distant future). It can be inferred that persecution of Sorceresses due to fear of Ultimecia would be rampant after the events of the game. I mean, who in their right mind would grow up, inherit sorceress powers, knowing the legacy of the Second Sorceress War, and then say "Oh, I want to do that" - someone who's been persecuted and abused for crimes they haven't even technically committed yet - ie Ultimecia. Ultimecia wants to compress time to escape the endless pursuit of Sorceresses by SEED. That's why she has such a complex around and absolute hatred of SEED. Ultimecia compressing time is less about her wanting to become the last sorceress (which I choose to believe she already is in her time), it's more about her wanting to escape her fate which she ironically self perpetuates by passing her powers onto Edea in the past.
That's why people peddling along the Rinoa = Ultimecia theory completely miss the point of Ultimecia and the story the game is trying to tell (which it often does poorly). One of the major themes of the game is succession. Ultimecia is a descendant and successor of Rinoa, and cannot escape the fate of Sorceresses whom are bound to their power. That's why they cannot die until their powers are passed on.
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lol Ok I'll give you that. But you're point is only true if Rinoa is the only remaining Sorceress of her time.
Oh good lord, this is a lot for a Monday afternoon lol.
I think all of this makes that scene with Seifer in the D District prison even more compelling. I remember being so baffled when I first played it, obviously he is Ultimecia's mouth piece and only makes sense in the context of the whole game.
I never considered Edea's speech that way I admit, do you think she is talking about herself? Sorceresses have been mistrusted since the beginning because of the way they were created. (Hyne tricking humanity and legging it). Plus Adel came before, so there was a feeling of fear relating to sorceresses before anyone knew about Ultimecia. I assumed she was talking about sorceresses in general.
That said SeeD itself was created because of her and trained to eventually deal with her, so her hatred of them makes perfect sense as does the self fulfilling prophecy. I wonder how Rinoa got on assuming she married the commander of SeeD. Awkward.
If I were to fanwank Ellone, I think the easiest explanation would be she's part GF, ala Terra from VI. There's absolutely no evidence to suggest that, but it sort of makes sense off the top of my head.
Haha, too busy talking amongst yourselves to respond to me? D:
lol Sorry. Rinoa's powers are never reflected in her gameplay at all. Which is a sore spot for me too. I would have loved a new sorceress themed limit break for her but she still has fucking Angelo barking at people's heels and shit.
Her final limit break hints at that doesn't it?
Lolwut? Angel Wing? The Auto-Pilot Sorceress mode? Ring a bell?lol Sorry. Rinoa's powers are never reflected in her gameplay at all. Which is a sore spot for me too. I would have loved a new sorceress themed limit break for her but she still has fucking Angelo barking at people's heels and shit.
And the nature of Edea's powers during her guest character segment is still up for debate but I think we can all agree that from a gameplay perspective she is using para magic because you are still equipping her with a GF and junctioning magic unto her.
See, this is the weird part because those magic effects are hers to do even with no GFs, and GFs are supposed to be the way to use Para-Magic. It kind of goes un-explained if her status as Sorceress has been transferred over to Rinoa at the end of disc 2, but then again, Squall has Blade Beam aka the reversed Orbital Laser, Selphie can sen the enemies on an express lift to heaven and Rinoa can ride her doge and together they form a shooting star so.... eh.So are you saying Edea's 'attack' and Limit Break are just draw casting from the environment and not Sorceress powers? Are Rinoa's Sorceress abilities reflected in her gameplay at all or does she still just use Para-Magic?
And to address this directly, yes. She gains a whole 'nother limit break option called Angel Wing. It puts her in a Berkserker-like, uncontrollable state where she will cast spells that she has in her stock with a really souped up magic stat. Effective use of it demands essentially stripping her down from any and all magic that you might not want her to cast and focus on leaving only the best spells there. It is mostly a flavor thing since a properly built Rinoa will always be far more powerful using Angelo since Wishing Star and the Invincibility ability are far superior where the meta-game is concerned. She will not actually use any of the stocked up spells, but her pool of magic is determined by the stock.Are Rinoa's Sorceress abilities reflected in her gameplay at all or does she still just use Para-Magic?
Rinoa gets Angel Wing limit after getting Sorceress power. She enters sort of magic-berserk status and casts magic she has.lol Sorry. Rinoa's powers are never reflected in her gameplay at all. Which is a sore spot for me too. I would have loved a new sorceress themed limit break for her but she still has fucking Angelo barking at people's heels and shit.
Wishing Star? You get it from reading a Pets Pal and then you have to walk like, a thousand steps with Rinoa in your party to get it. And the actual limit break is just her jumping on Angelo's back and running into enemies a bunch of times. I never though it had anything to do with her Sorceress powers nor does the game really suggest that it does.
Ahh yea angel wing is the one i'm thinking of, maybe its not the final one. I dont use her so much either, her attack animation takes too long
I wonder how many people who are saying this is the best FF on PS1 have played it recently. It's really disappointed me, I thought it had bad writing and a stupid plot. Awesome card game though, and I appreciate that they went for a love story. Doesn't even touch FF9 for me though.
I wonder how many people who are saying this is the best FF on PS1 have played it recently. It's really disappointed me, I thought it had bad writing and a stupid plot. Awesome card game though, and I appreciate that they went for a love story. Doesn't even touch FF9 for me though.
I've always found Squall's indifference to Riona's tacit plea for help by saying she's dying hilarious. Definitely encapsulates the kind of character he is...and I didn't mind it one bit.
?? When does that happen?
I think it's just personal preference. I played through FFVII,VIII and IX in that order two years ago and VIII was still clearly my favorite of them. I have also played through FFVIII more times than the others so for me personally it's still det best ps1 FF without a doubt.
One of the major themes of the game is succession.
Since you're the majority of the way through.
What's the next step? Gonna play another FF or take a break?
And yeah, I like that they tried to go for something in this game
As far as 'big' games? Might finish Persona 3, which I've been breaking from. Could do a LttP for that as well, but I'm like on the final month so there isn't too much left to it.
I will say as far as pacing of games go, I prefer FFVIII's to that of the Persona series. As neat of a concept of S. Links are, grinding through daily activities/dungeons at night just isn't the most engaging of activities, and gooood is Persona grind heavy. Getting back to FFVIII has made me appreciate the brisk pace the critical path of FF games move; I bet you could complete the story quest of FFVIII in about 20 or so hours.
Uh, does anyone else find Edea's advice to Rinoa kinda, you know, chauvinistic? "Yeah all the sorceresses that don't find dudes to protect them turn evil, so beter find a dude to shack up with".
Like it's just sorta, I dunno, bizarre for such a regressive message to be so casually thrown in there. I'm weird in that I'm all for fanservice, but messaging like this always just rubs me the wrong way.
I can't remember the exact quote, but isn't she just saying find somebody to love, and that partnership will stop you going evil? Does she specify it has to be a man or a husband? Couldn't it be anybody?
She says that finding a Knight to protect her will help her from turning evil; that Adel and Ultimecia didn't have knights and figuring that's probably why they turned evil. Just.... eggggh, that sort of dependency, even if its not intended to be meanspirited, just feels really outdated to me; the implication that women can't handle power on their own.
I always saw the model of "Sorceress + Sorceress' Knight" as being a very mechanical role dichotomy like "Presidents always have Vice Presidents".She says that finding a Knight to protect her will help her from turning evil; that Adel and Ultimecia didn't have knights and figuring that's probably why they turned evil. Just.... eggggh, that sort of dependency, even if its not intended to be meanspirited, just feels really outdated to me; the implication that women can't handle power on their own.
I guess so, but love, friendship and being able to depend on other people and trust them is a major theme of the game. And it's presented in positive way, normally dependancy means weakness, but here we are seeing it presented as it's own strength. That's as true for Squall as a man, as it is for Rinoa as a woman, it's about sharing the burden. Like Sam and Frodo from Lord of the Rings. I don't think it necessarily has to be a romantic relationship, it's about maintaining human emotions, and not building a fortresses of solitude (literally in this case but you will see that later). I think the context is important.
"A knight will present you with peace of mind. He will protect your spirit."
Edea Kramer to Rinoa Heartilly, Final Fantasy VIII's Disc 3.
Sorceress memorial
Squall Leonhart is Rinoa Heartilly's Sorceress' Knight.
The term Sorceress's Knight is applied to a male companion who protects the sorceress. The knight protects his sorceress both from external dangers and her own powers.
I always saw the model of "Sorceress + Sorceress' Knight" as being a very mechanical role dichotomy like "Presidents always have Vice Presidents".
I never thought to read it as actually being a statement about how wild magical women need some masculine protector.
Of course you have a point in interpreting it like this ... It's an interesting point, and I think the gender implication leaps to mind far more readily in 2016 than it did in 1999.
But I personally don't think it was ever more than a kind of fantasy heirarchy relationship, not to be thought of in terms of real world social dynamics implying that women need protecting. Even this piece of media from late 1990s Japan probably wasn't implying that. They just thought it would be another cool world building detail if witches tended to take on first officers. It's all in service of Seifer's fantasy in the plot, anyway.
True. And there is much interpretation in this game.Well this is the 3rd differing interpretation in a row. I like that about it. So we have dependancy, my version is team work and you have hierarchy. It's pretty cool I think.