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Deus Ex: Mankind Divided review embargo lifts on 8/19

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The Janitor

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Kudo said:
For how people were praising Nixxes I was expecting a great port, but 30fps with 980 Ti on Ultra at 1080p? That raises some alarms.
Glad I got it for cheap though, I can live with less stellar experience, just hoping GTX 1070 can at least run High 1440p/60fps.
Maybe there'll be day one patch to fix optimization? Who knows.
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Low performance doesn't necessarily mean bad port, it could just be an inefficient game engine. Nixxes can only do so much with what they got.
 
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4jjiyoon

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oh god fatality's at it again is he.

Kudo said:
For how people were praising Nixxes I was expecting a great port, but 30fps with 980 Ti on Ultra at 1080p? That raises some alarms.
Glad I got it for cheap though, I can live with less stellar experience, just hoping GTX 1070 can at least run High 1440p/60fps.
Maybe there'll be day one patch to fix optimization? Who knows.
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ultra is using 4x msaa remember. not the cheapest option to use. i'd imagine quite a bump in frame rate just by dropping that to whatever other aa it offers.
 
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Ocarina_117

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Whelp. Preordered it for my gtx680 4gb and i7-3770k set up :(.

Should I cancel? In favour of PS4?

My set up ran witcher 3 at High/Ultra with a few medium at 30 FPS solid :( disappointing.
 
Kudo

Kudo

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The Janitor said:
Low performance doesn't necessarily mean bad port, it could just be an inefficient game engine. Nixxes can only do so much with what they got.
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True enough, I'll wait and see. I just hope it doesn't crash or anything like that.

dr_rus said:
If the video above is a proper indication you should be able to double that with close to none quality loss by going from Ultra to High though.
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What do you mean? Game barely stays above 1080/60fps on High in that video with 980 Ti so how can I double it?

nOoblet16 said:
What if....the ultra settings really are that demanding? Why don't people consider that option? It is also the most likely answer considering the gulf you see in performance between ultra and high.
It doesn't matter if it looks more or less the same as high, because that's what Ultra settings are really for they are basically high settings at maximum resolution for effects and that can be a performance killer. Very very few games go for max resolution effects with ultra settings which is why you don't notice this big of a performance gulf the few that do end up doing what this game is doing. Full resolution AO and volumetric lights for instance will tank performance even with the most powerful hardware.
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Clothing textures seem to look lot better on Ultra, or the video is bad indication of difference. Sure it's possible that they "future proofed" the Ultra settings, but I doubt it, just reminds me so much of Xcom 2 at launch. I wonder if their rumoured DX12 patch will make it any better on Nvidia cards? Then again I won't have the luxury of waiting for it, so I'll just have to do at Med-High unless something changes before launch.

4jjiyoon said:
ultra is using 4x msaa remember. not the cheapest option to use. i'd imagine quite a bump in frame rate just by dropping that to whatever other aa it offers.
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That was the issue with Xcom 2 Ultra settings too for most people, guess we'll see in few days whether or not it'll run properly at 1440p with GTX 1070.
 
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Rarius

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Doesn't surprise me that there are performance issues, it's using a modification of the engine Hitman uses, and that game has problems for basically no reason
 
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nOoblet16

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Kudo said:
Clothing textures seem to look lot better on Ultra, or the video is bad indication of difference.
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I don't see where you are getting that the clothing textures are a "lot" better. It's very minor. There are only three screens in that comparison with a character up close. The far off characters don't matter because they get affected from lower texture filtering (since high would automatically put AF to 8x or something eventhough it has no performance impact at 16x).

But even then...using ultra textures itself will have little to no performance cost so long as you have enough VRAM. So just do that, play at high with ultra textures.
 
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10k

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EatChildren said:
Pretty much. And I don't want to excuse optimisation issues, but folk need to utterly abandon the console-like approach to PC building, where owning X gpu/hardware configuration warrants a standard of performance and graphical settings across all games.

That's not how it works, nor ever has. Every engine is different. Assets are different. And config settings adopt different standards. "I want to max out games and hit 60fps" is a disastrous approach to PC hardware purchases and gaming.

EG I really adore Frostbite. Battlefront and Battlefield 4 look and run great. But the latter has very specific rooms and assets that'll eat 15-20fps alone. Entirely because of complex transparency mapping with fog/light/smoke assets on ultra settings.

Without knowing exactly what Deus Ex is doing on ultra it's impossible to say what's killing performance.
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The problem is Neogaf is predominantly made up of console gamers so they take a console approach to building PC's. Even I did back when I first started building PC's. Now I know it's not the case.
 
Agent_4Seven

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What the fuck is wrong with tesselation and parallax mapping in this game?
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It looks absolutely terrible. And also fuck this watercolor effect too!
 
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damstr

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Damn now I'm a little worried that my 980 Ti will struggle to play the game on high @ 1440P while maintaining 60FPS. The game looks good but there is no reason that it should take that much power to run.

Doom for example looks way better and I can play maxed out @ 1440P and maintain 100FPS+ easily.
 
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nOoblet16

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Agent_4Seven said:
What the fuck is wrong with tesselation and parallax mapping in this game?

It looks absolutely terrible.
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That's POM there not tessellation.
But yes it's terrible, it's the usual shit you see whenever they try to use POM or tessellation for surface where they make it really bumpy. Looks extremely nonsensical when they do it for the ground because...that's a ground I will never walk or even drive on.
 
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aravuus

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Okay, I have to admit, I kinda dig the cel-shaded look the sharpening gives some parts of the game, like the car on the right in the shot above. Looks really cool.

Shame 90% of everything else looks like shit with the sharpening, though. Gonna turn it off asap.
 
dr_rus

dr_rus

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Kudo said:
What do you mean? Game barely stays above 1080/60fps on High in that video with 980 Ti so how can I double it?
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You can double the 30 fps in 1080p on Ultra by going to High with almost no quality difference. That what you was talking about - 30 fps in 1080p on Ultra.

Agent_4Seven said:
What the fuck is wrong with tesselation and parallax mapping in this game?

It looks absolutely terrible. And also fuck this watercolor effect too!
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My guess would be that this is the sharpening filter at work here. (Having such big planes with POM instead of proper geometric displacement on them is an indication of a Gaming Evolved title btw.)
 
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Alucrid

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so what reviews detail how the story is? eurogamer had a paragraph on it and giantbomb mentioned it a little, both seemed underwhelmed. wondering if any other reviewers had a bit more meat as to how they handle the mechanical apartheid
 
Agent_4Seven

Agent_4Seven

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dr_rus said:
My guess would be that this is the sharpening filter at work here. (Having such big planes with POM instead of proper geometric displacement on them is an indication of a Gaming Evolved title btw.)
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If it is, it will be turned off along with parallax mapping.

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Fuck you Nixxes, just fuck you! I mean, really, WTF!?! It's 1080p and you need fucking what, 2 40K RUB GPUs to run this game at ~ stable 60 FPS!? What are they fucking smoking out there and in what universe is this is acceptable? 1080p, Carl! 1080p!! SLI!!! FUCK!!!!

*sigh*

I'm not going to play this piece of optimized garbage at launch, no fucking way.

P.S. And look at 980, poor thing, I feel sorry for you.
 
dr_rus

dr_rus

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Agent_4Seven said:
If it is, it will be turned off along with parallax mapping.

dem_1920_11_2.png

Fuck you Nixxes, just fuck you! I mean, really, WTF!?! It's 1080p and you need fucking what, 2 40K RUB GPUs to run this game at ~ stable 60 FPS! What are they fucking smoking out there and in what universe is this is acceptable? 1080p, Carl! 1080p!! SLI!!! FUCK!!!!

*sigh*

I'm not going to play this piece of optimized garbage at launch, no fucking way.

P.S. And look at 980, poor thing, I feel sorry for you.
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Those are for Ultra preset, you can double them by going lower with small quality loss. It'll run fine, I'm sure. These benchmarks are interesting mostly as a comparison of different cards as it's a rare case where Fury X is faster than 980Ti in 1080p and this just shows where the optimization efforts went in this title.

Still, this is just one data point. We need to look at other benchmarks as well.

Mattenth said:
Edit: going to the PC performance thread
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Is there one?
 
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Fledz

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I don't get that photo above. I just watched the IGN video review and nothing in the game looked even remotely like those pictures above with the weird sharpness and shading.
 
StereoVsn

StereoVsn

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4jjiyoon said:
oh god fatality's at it again is he.

ultra is using 4x msaa remember. not the cheapest option to use. i'd imagine quite a bump in frame rate just by dropping that to whatever other aa it offers.
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Eh, no, that's still pretty bad performance, 4x MSAA or not. Meh. Going to hold off till we see some performance improvements as I play on 21 X 9 monitor with much higher res and my 980TI better run the game at 60fps or it's no go.

Edit: Looking at the benchmarks the game appears to be heavily AMD optimized. Was that the same with Hitman. I guess I will be skipping this one.
 
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munroe

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Not at home yet but does the day one stuff appear, soundtrack, novel etc when the code is redeemed or will it be sent separately?
 
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lucebuce12

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munroe said:
Not at home yet but does the day one stuff appear, soundtrack, novel etc when the code is redeemed or will it be sent separately?
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I just registered the key that I got from GMG and I have all the pre-order DLC listed and available, no additional keys required.
 
Pagusas

Pagusas

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Agent_4Seven said:
If it is, it will be turned off along with parallax mapping.

dem_1920_11_2.png

Fuck you Nixxes, just fuck you! I mean, really, WTF!?! It's 1080p and you need fucking what, 2 40K RUB GPUs to run this game at ~ stable 60 FPS!? What are they fucking smoking out there and in what universe is this is acceptable? 1080p, Carl! 1080p!! SLI!!! FUCK!!!!

*sigh*

I'm not going to play this piece of optimized garbage at launch, no fucking way.

P.S. And look at 980, poor thing, I feel sorry for you.
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Yup, time to put my 770gtx out to pasture, its time has officially come. You handled the Witcher 3 little buddy, but that was your last push.
 
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SimplexPL

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Agent_4Seven said:
Fuck you Nixxes, just fuck you! I mean, really, WTF!?! It's 1080p and you need fucking what, 2 40K RUB GPUs to run this game at ~ stable 60 FPS!? What are they fucking smoking out there and in what universe is this is acceptable? 1080p, Carl! 1080p!! SLI!!! FUCK!!!!

*sigh*

I'm not going to play this piece of optimized garbage at launch, no fucking way.

P.S. And look at 980, poor thing, I feel sorry for you.
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Calm dawn and read this:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=885444 - everybody should read this, it is wisdom.
 
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Caode

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Just checked my order to find it shipped at 10am this morning, should be here tomorrow all going well. I asked for this Gaf.
 
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CyberPunked

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Agent_4Seven said:
If it is, it will be turned off along with parallax mapping.

dem_1920_11_2.png

Fuck you Nixxes, just fuck you! I mean, really, WTF!?! It's 1080p and you need fucking what, 2 40K RUB GPUs to run this game at ~ stable 60 FPS!? What are they fucking smoking out there and in what universe is this is acceptable? 1080p, Carl! 1080p!! SLI!!! FUCK!!!!

*sigh*

I'm not going to play this piece of optimized garbage at launch, no fucking way.

P.S. And look at 980, poor thing, I feel sorry for you.
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Don't play the game on ultra? Just because you can't 'max' a game doesn't mean it's unoptimised. Ultra settings should be just that, ultra. Ideally no one should be able to run games at ultra at release in an aim to future-proof the game.
 
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