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Discoveries possibly not being saved in No Man's Sky

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AndrewDean84xX

Banned
Mobius and pet octopus said:
He was working so hard on the game who has time to shave.
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VlaudTheImpaler

VlaudTheImpaler

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UncleSporky said:
You misunderstand what NMS is actually saving.

Changes you make to planets are saved for a short time and/or number of jumps, because if it saved everything you ever destroyed or carved out, that would take up a ton of space. But it will save some of what you do locally, for as long as you are on the planet at minimum. That gets discarded after a while but it's never supposed to be uploaded to the servers anyway, just local persistence for a reasonable amount of time.

Discoveries, though? Naming planets and species, which do get uploaded? That takes up a completely negligible amount of space.

If you think of a page of text as being 80 characters per line, 24 lines, and you assume that the average player will fill one page worth of text with their discoveries...560,000 players is one single gigabyte of text. That's absolutely nothing these days. I mean you could even quadruple both of them, assume the average player fills 4 pages of text, and there are 2.24 million players. That's still only 16 gigabytes.


Minecraft has (had?) world size limits on consoles because consoles have more limited hard drive space than PCs. AFAIK on PC there is no size limit other than the fact that some world generation gets weird when you travel ridiculously far out through hacking. Most world saves are going to be 100 megabytes or less, but they can be multiple gigabytes. I don't think there's a limit, it just keeps saving whatever chunks you pass through as you explore.

And Minecraft has 18 quintillion "planets," same as No Man's Sky. And every world seed can be its own massive save file.
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Quoting for visibility.

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mokeyjoe said:
The amount of server space required to store bits of text like this is relatively tiny. You can store something like 200 million words in a gigabyte.

Sure server space isn't infinite, but we're talking the kind of data you can fit on a USB stick. The whole text of Wikipedia is only 12gb (as of 2015).

NMS players have not created more data than that. And whatever storage they have at the server end it's going to be more than 12gb.
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Ballistics

Member
So how many people in this thread have been effected?

Also, I assume the default names are also generated and not stored anywhere?
 
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Speely

Banned
TheSpoiler said:
Didn't someone name a planet after their friend or loved one? I hope it saved.
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Just like real life eventually teaches us that holding on to those precious moments of our pasts is folly when considering the importance of the present, so does NMS teach us that our actions don't really matter beyond the act of doing them.

Be Here Now. No Man's Sky. We're All Dead.
 
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nynt9

Member
Uthred said:
Come on now, No Mans Sky outrage threads arent about people being personally affected, they are about our outrage on behalf of the silent multitudes! ;)
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More like they're about uncovering the elaborate web of lies Sean Murray has weaved. Seeing how much of what was promised is actually smoke and mirrors has become a game more amusing than NMS itself at this point. That and seeing the arguments people come up with to defend the game, but that one gets old fast.

Just because no one is personally aggrieved doesn't mean developers should get away with misleading consumers. Accountability matters.
 
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Speely

Banned
What if Hello Games is working on the Best Content Ever and just saving it for whoever reaches the 1,000th galaxy? Genius or devious?
 
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Yukinari

Member
When is the kickstarter coming for the collaborative project featuring Sean Murray, Peter Molyneux, Todd Howard and Inafune?
 
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Uthred

Member
nynt9 said:
More like they're about uncovering the elaborate web of lies Sean Murray has weaved. Seeing how much of what was promised is actually smoke and mirrors has become a game more amusing than NMS itself at this point. That and seeing the arguments people come up with to defend the game, but that one gets old fast.

Just because no one is personally aggrieved doesn't mean developers should get away with misleading consumers. Accountability matters.
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It was a joke hence the smiley, also I honestly cant take stuff like "they're about uncovering the elaborate web of lies" seriously. It was false advertising not a Machiavellian conspiracy. People need to get some perspective.
 
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Jobbs

Banned
Yukinari said:
When is the kickstarter coming for the collaborative project featuring Sean Murray, Peter Molyneux, Todd Howard and Inafune?
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Inafune and Todd Howard aren't in the same league of lying ... It's strange to say this but you're not giving inafune enough credit
 
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GhostWriter24

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In my 29 years, I have never, ever seen a figure in gaming go from 60 to 0 in this short an elapsed timepsace. Not Kutaragi, or Molyneux, or Romero. This has been truly incredible.
 
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Seiniyta

Member
I think this thread can be closed now. The person who originally reported it edited his post on reddit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/NoMansSkyTheGame/comments/4zlqpw/went_back_to_my_starting_planet_and_every/

HUGE EDIT KINDA FIXED MY ISSUE: Ok so after reading some of the comments I played around in the game a bit, I re-downloaded and reloaded the game for about two hours. I don't know what happened but all the discoveries re-appeared on my starting planet.https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cq1KN2oWcAA_SUc.jpg sorry for phone pic. I hope new news sites see this...It seems like a server bugs like it takes a while for your old discoveries to re download. Please spread the word and if you are having this problem just wait and see if your discoveries will return. It seems a little bugged where as you get further and further away from your starting point you can't see your old discoveries even when you find your way back. It's like the server lags behind big time and takes a while to find the old information.
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Just a bug.
 
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LukasTaves

Member
At this point I wouldn't be surprised if even the number of planets was a pure lie too.

It's at least strange that with so many planets people bump into each other discoveries so often.

Perhaps the game just sucks at randomly choosing it, but strange nonetheless.
 
Caayn

Caayn

Member
LukasTaves said:
At this point I wouldn't be surprised if even the number of planets was a pure lie too.

It's at least strange that with so many planets people bump into each other discoveries so often.

Perhaps the game just sucks at randomly choosing it, but strange nonetheless.
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Well you get teleported to a new galaxy ones you reach the center of the one you currently reside in. So it's probably: N planets in each galaxy and N galaxies in the game.

Everyone probably starts in the same galaxy. Thus massively increasing the chances of encountering another player's discoveries.
Seiniyta said:
I think this thread can be closed now. The person who originally reported it edited his post on reddit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/NoMansSkyTheGame/comments/4zlqpw/went_back_to_my_starting_planet_and_every/
Just a bug.
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Maybe it was caused by a server time-out and the game defaults to no discoveries instead of endlessly waiting?
 
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Raist

Banned
LukasTaves said:
At this point I wouldn't be surprised if even the number of planets was a pure lie too.

It's at least strange that with so many planets people bump into each other discoveries so often.

Perhaps the game just sucks at randomly choosing it, but strange nonetheless.
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Not that strange. Everyone starts within roughly the same distance to the center. So imagine the galaxy is a sphere, everyone's starting around the surface, which comprises only a fraction of the total number of systems.
 
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Kinyou

Member
Seiniyta said:
I think this thread can be closed now. The person who originally reported it edited his post on reddit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/NoMansSkyTheGame/comments/4zlqpw/went_back_to_my_starting_planet_and_every/




Just a bug.
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Good to hear. This core feature missing would have been insane.
But I wonder, since it took so long for him to find his own discoveries, would the same go for other players? Would be pretty annoying to reload again and again until you see what someone named a species.
 
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gossi

Member
Discovers are uploaded in bulk when the servers are available, for info. This one is probably some sort of bug.
 
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Alienous

Member
I reckoned it was just a glitch / server issue, but I was secretly hoping this would be the thing to get Hello Games to address the complaints. But even though they were in the right with this controversy they didn't say anything.

They must be sworn to silence.
 
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dalin80

Banned
Alienous said:
I reckoned it was just a glitch / server issue, but I was secretly hoping this would be the thing to get Hello Games to address the complaints. But even though they were in the right with this controversy they didn't say anything.

They must be sworn to silence.
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Yeah they are clearly doing nothing to address the complaints, ignore the fact that another patch has come out making it the 4th(?) since release.

Also this looks like a client side bug so yet again nothing but drama llamas.
 
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Kinyou

Member
Alienous said:
I reckoned it was just a glitch / server issue, but I was secretly hoping this would be the thing to get Hello Games to address the complaints. But even though they were in the right with this controversy they didn't say anything.

They must be sworn to silence.
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Muzicfreq

Banned
To be honest I don't really care for this too much since my way point is about 50+ blackholes back.... -_- I am never finding that planet EVER again
 
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UncleSporky

Member
Seiniyta said:
I think this thread can be closed now. The person who originally reported it edited his post on reddit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/NoMansSkyTheGame/comments/4zlqpw/went_back_to_my_starting_planet_and_every/

Just a bug.
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Even if discoveries aren't being deleted, maybe the news instead is that even if other players stumble across your planet, there's a good chance the server won't even send them the info and they'll never see your discovery names.

Maybe if you play for 50 hours and see 2 other players' planets, you should've seen 14 by then, but 12 of them were affected by this bug and you'd have had to delete and reinstall the game to see them.

Also, people like Raist in the OP are still having their own separate problem, where entries disappear from the local log...the more you explore, the more it empties. That's unrelated to whether the server knows about your discoveries, it means eventually you won't have a full record of your own discoveries.
 
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Raist

Banned
UncleSporky said:
Even if discoveries aren't being deleted, maybe the news instead is that even if other players stumble across your planet, there's a good chance the server won't even send them the info and they'll never see your discovery names.

Maybe if you play for 50 hours and see 2 other players' planets, you should've seen 14 by then, but 12 of them were affected by this bug and you'd have had to delete and reinstall the game to see them.

Also, people like Raist in the OP are still having their own separate problem, where entries disappear from the local log...the more you explore, the more it empties. That's unrelated to whether the server knows about your discoveries, it means eventually you won't have a full record of your own discoveries.
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I don't think it's a separate problem. Just two faces of the same coin.
And again, this doesn't affect planets or systems.
 
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