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PS4 Slim Review
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Yet people buy these things to play games. If it's $250 or even $300 people see that as a cheaper option to play BF1, COD, WD1 etc..
This is for mass market. Not people like me and you.
Kaneda Shotaro
Member
It doesn't really look much thinner. I need a side by side comparison, not pics of it sitting on top of the original PS4, that doesn't help.
Yeah what ... so much for using a mixamp with some awesome headphones I guess ? That's crazy. If I was going to buy this I probably wouldn't anymore. Mild but potential deal breaker.
KoolAidPitcher
Member
PS3 slim was the same clock speed as older PS3's. Historically, the only time Sony increased performance with a hardware revision was the PS2 slim, where they increased the CPU clock speed from 294mhz to 299mhz.
EventHorizon
Member
The Neo costs more and is for the enthusiast market. We are talking about the much bigger mass market.
To bad the reality is that due to the Xbox One S, Xbox outsold PlayStation in July and look to do so again in August. So yea, the Xbox one S was a 'Brilliant move'.
And no, the Scorpio will not replace the Xbox One S. It is for an entirely different market. The NeoGaf bubble is making you think that everyone is an enthusiast when in fact most consumers aren't.
In these years the average consumer has got pretty clear the message that PS4 is the console running games better.
Has that changed in the feature list?Has it suddenly become a less important selling point in a game console compared to a UHD drive?
UHD is a nice bonus but that's it, it's a really niche thing that only extreme AV-enthusiasts care about. The average consumer doesn't even care about Blu Ray, go figure UHD BR!
I don't understand why you're talking about it as if it was the next big thing. It absolutely isn't and never will be. Physical formats are a thing of the past.
Sony has an obvious strategy which is to bring the current PS4 to the mainstream market while 4K and more premium features like better hardware will be implemented in a specific model targeted at enthusiasts and core gamers.
It's a different strategy, it's not like they won't offer those features at all, they're offering them in a product that is designed from the ground-up to appeal more to the target consumer actually interested in having those features and that is not the mainstream consumer who couldn't care less about 4K. This strategy makes total sense.
Microsoft doesn't have an other product until late 2017 so they're adding these things to what they have now.
The people who care about the PS4 running games slightly better have already bought a PS4. UHD is not something that only enthusiast care about. The average consumer cares more about UHD than they do about some 900p vs 1080p Digital Foundry comparison. They will see UHD marketed as the next big thing on commercials for TVs and UHD Blu-Ray players. They won't know about some few games playing marginally better on the PS4.
I talk about UHD as the next big thing because that is what will be marketed to consumers. That is what the 'average' consumer will think. If the price is the same, that consumer will get the console with UHD because that's what all the new stuff has. It doesn't matter if they actually intend to use it. They will think that they might use it.
family_guy
Member
My point was that if $299 was someone's jumping in point they could have got one last year around November to December and they can do the same thing this year. The Slim isn't necessary at that price point.
Sony's strategy isn't that different from Microsoft's, they're both offering cheaper slimmer versions of their current console and are releasing an upgraded one later.
That's some hilariously twisted logic there.
The mass market could not care less about UHD Bluray.
The Xbox One S wasn't released in July. The Xbox One outsold the PS4 in *one* territory by a small margin that was wiped out by losses in every other market.
Can you not see the irony in this statement?
KoolAidPitcher
Member
I hear you, but do you not have an optical out on your tv you can use instead? If you have the optical out on your tv going to your receiver, your setup is probably misconfigured. Optical out to receiver has been obsolete for years thanks to the audio return channel (ARC) feature of HDMI 1.4. If you were to properly configure your tv and receiver to use ARC, you will free the optical port on your tv and be able to connect your astro to that.
Most of the FGC uses wired third-party controllers.
Average consumer caring more about UHD than PS4 running games better than XB1?
In a game console.....ok free to have your opinion.
But honestly this sounds to me like those people believing that backwards compatibilty was a game changer.
But hey let's see who's going to sell more consoles from September until the end of the year
EventHorizon
Member
And they care about some Digital Foundry comparison? Yea right. The mass market cares about what they see on mass media. They will see UHD. They will not see Digital Foundry.
The comment I replied to said that the XBox One S was a bad move by Microsoft. I pointed out that Microsoft won last month, and is likely to win this month. That directly contradicts that it was a bad move for the company. When a company makes a bad move their sales don't go up.
Care to make an actual argument, because I have no idea what you are talking about. The Xbox One S is for an entirely different market. If you think otherwise then you too are caught in the bubble.
mr teaspoon
Member
Totally disagree that UHD is the next big thing, or will be perceived as such.
Did 'Superbit' DVD's, with no special features so that all of the disc could be dedicated to IQ and sound, take the world by storm?
I mean, the elevator pitch of what an UHD Blu-Ray is is 'like Blu-Ray, but better.' The mass market is totally happy with their HDTVs and Blu-Rays and sure as hell are not going to go buy another PS4 so that they can watch UHD.
Did 'Superbit' DVD's, with no special features so that all of the disc could be dedicated to IQ and sound, take the world by storm?
I mean, the elevator pitch of what an UHD Blu-Ray is is 'like Blu-Ray, but better.' The mass market is totally happy with their HDTVs and Blu-Rays and sure as hell are not going to go buy another PS4 so that they can watch UHD.
93xfan
Banned
Surprised it was only 40%, given how oversized the original was.
Glad you could join the thread to troll. How's Master Chief collection running these days?
I own an Xbox one and am sad about the state of MCC.
TrojanBlade
Member
No 4K/UHD player is the right decision for PS4 slim if they sell this thing for $249. They would undercut XBSlim and would allow them to market Neo as a 4K ready device and they would have the gap to price Neo around $399/$449. They should be able to sell this for $249 if Sony doesn't get too greedy. At $249 it should sell really well in the holiday season with some good games.
The slim is replacing the OG ps4 - how is it unnecessary? They're redesigning the system and saving money while doing that and hopefully passing that saving over to the consumers. Just because a newer model is replaced doesn't mean they have to instantly shave off 1/3 of the price.
Ofc I wish they would tho.
They outsold by 10k units. Iirc the average cost of sale of xbone was lower than ps4.
Yes the existence of the xbone s helped them win last month I.e. Ms forced to firesale in a slow summer month with no notable AAA releases and barely beats ps4 generally selling near full price. Also amurica
Vegetable Lasagna
Member
No optical port? wtf?
SmoothRunningGun
Member
Ur drunk
Jangowuzhere
Banned
Wow, no optical port?
I hope my OG PS4 doesn't break down. The only way I can get good sound out of my headphone amp is through optical.
I hope my OG PS4 doesn't break down. The only way I can get good sound out of my headphone amp is through optical.
EventHorizon
Member
Average consumer caring more about UHD than PS4 running games better than XB1?
In a game console.....ok free to have your opinion.
But honestly this sounds to me like those people believing that backwards compatibilty was a game changer.
But hey let's see who's going to sell more consoles from September until the end of the year
The people who care about a few games running marginally better on the PS4 have already bought a PS4. That is what everybody I'm discussing with doesn't understand. You are all acting like this is the same market that bought these consoles when they first came out. I was right there with you at that point when I said the PS4 would eat the XB1's lunch due to the power difference and price. I have now recognized that the audience has changed. The people buying now aren't on this board. They don't read Digital Foundry. Many of them probably do think of the console as a multimedia box as much as for playing games.
I never thought backwards compatibility was going to be a game changer.
I have also said that I do expect Sony's momentum to continue to let them sell more consoles. The network effect is a real thing. However, what I'm saying is that if they are priced the same, the PS4 Slim will be less competitive with the Xbox One S, than the PS4 is to the XB1. Sony is going to lose ground. That is especially true for people who aren't as susceptible to the network effect due to not gaming that often. That group of consumers are precisely the ones who haven't bought an 8th generation console so far.
Transistor
Banned
Maybe this will push the headphone amp industry to finally do HDMI passthrough and audio
n0razi
Member
Cant you just hook up the the optical from your HDTV? Thats how I and everyone I know does it.
PS4 [HDMI]-> HDTV [OPTICAL]-> RECEIVER/SOUNDBAR
They don't care about either.
They won one month in one territory while losing everywhere else in the world.
The Xbox One S is not a terrible move but it's not one that will change their lot in the territories where they are struggling. MS recognise this as they are not selling the S (other than that limited 2TB allocation) outside of the US until the end of September.
You claim that NeoGAF is collectively living in an enthusiast bubble when you are the one claiming that UHD Bluray is the next big thing.
The mainstream don't even have their consoles set up properly. They think GTA 5 looks awesome but their 360 is using composite because the switch on the cable is set to SDTV.
My friend got a 4K television and was showing off to me saying "look at how clear it is!". I didn't have the heart to tell her she was showing me a 1080i broadcast.
That's the reality.
Never going to happen unless we kill HDMI. HDMI adopter fees are not entirely feasible for most "audiophile" manufacturers as most people in that market don't care much for HDMI to justify the additional fees.
There are a few hardware doodads that exist with HDMI passthrough but they're pretty much limited to companies that do a lot in the home theatre space, like NAD and Cambridge Audio.
Jangowuzhere
Banned
I play all my games on my monitor. It doesn't have an optical port.
ClayKavalier
Banned
It's not a wise use of money but if this ends up being quieter than the regular PS4 I'll be tempted to buy one even though I'm also planning on getting a Neo. It'll come down to whether Neo comes out this year or next.
EventHorizon
Member
Yea right. You better go tell that to all the companies marking their UHD TVs. If it didn't matter then there would be no point to it.
The comment I replied to was mocking it as a bad move. I proved that wrong, and you appear to agree with me.
Talk about irony. Did you not even read what you just wrote? Your friend proclaimed "look at how clear it is!". They obviously put weight to 4K even if it was a placebo effect. The NeoGaf bubble has you all looking at this like calculations on a spreadsheet. This is not about reality. This is about perception, which is far more important to the mass market. The mass market will see on mass media that 4K and UHD are better. Therefore they will think they are better, and will chose products that offer it as a feature, REGARDLESS IF THEY WILL ACTUALLY SEE ANY BENEFIT!!! Your own friend proves that point.
I'm going to bed so I can't post more but I will leave you with this:
She prefers DVDs to Blurays because she likes to do swaps with her friends most of whom don't have a Bluray player and she thinks that the 4K television makes DVDs look amazing.
So she's not proving your point!
KoolAidPitcher
Member
Ah... too bad your monitor doesn't have speakers or an audio passthrough, as audio could be sent to your monitor over HDMI.
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EventHorizon
Member
She is proving my point. She cared about 4k so much that she saw a benefit where none existed. The fact that she wants to trade DVDs with her friends does not preclude her thinking that UHD is better. I record TV shows in lower quality because I value the space saved over the quality, but I still know the higher quality is better.
The point I have been making is that if the PS4 Slim and XB1 S are priced the same then the average consumer will think the XB1 S is better due to it supporting UHD. Then the argument shifts to why not get the one you think is better?
That's the same thought process that explains why the PS4 originally had an advantage over the XB1. Even if the extra power only showed up in a few games, why wouldn't you get the console with that extra power. The difference now is that the people buying the consoles are not going to Digital Foundary. They are watching commercials on TV which tell them that UHD is better. Xbox One S has UHD. The PS4 Slim does not.
Btw on top of that, people like your friend will probably think that the XB1 S will play that DVD with better quality because it is a UHD player just like she thought the 1080i broadcast looked better on a 4K display.
Hilarious isn't it!! I think it's time to bring back out that Xbone chalkboard 😂Average consumer caring more about UHD than PS4 running games better than XB1?
In a game console.....ok free to have your opinion.
But honestly this sounds to me like those people believing that backwards compatibilty was a game changer.
But hey let's see who's going to sell more consoles from September until the end of the year
Wrong... They will buy the console which runs games better and the console their friends have. Streaming options popularity is increasing, your overestimating the influence of 4k Blu-ray for a game console.
Rock Howard
Member
Hopefully Neo will still have that optical out, as I am using headphones and a Xonar Essence Muses amp.
gundamkyoukai
Member
I think you are forgetting that some of the average consumers have friends .
Which told them PS4 play games better they just waiting for a price drop .
It's like they were looking for a way to make the lightbar even more annoying... really don't understand it.
Not a fan of how the console looks, but if it's cheap enough I might bite.
X1 sales didn't actually go up though in July they were down yoy despite being $100 cheaper than the ps4. Sales will be up in August though. Time will tell if the X1s is actually expanding the user base or just being bought as replacements.
Also just because something is advertised doesn't mean it will be popular. 3D was suppose to be big too. Hell tons of people have 3D TVs but it isn't because they care about it. It's because it's already apart of the TV you buy. UHD Blu rays will be a tiny fraction of all disk sales. Honestly I've never even seen one for sale but you believe it's a game changer.
I imagine it's either to make it easier to tell if your controller is on or not, just by looking down without turning the controller 90° upwards and/or looking at the reflection in your glossy TV screen. It could also have something to do with PS VR.
Copper
Member
I mean I could see if the smaller light bar replaced the larger one on the back. But both? Just looks annoying. Would have rather seen improvements in the joysticks or triggers.
Bingo.
AgentP
Thinks mods influence posters politics. Promoted to QAnon Editor.
Now 4k is important for cheap people who have waited three years? Ya, I bet people buying Honda Civics are also looking for hand crafted leather interior too.
The race to $199 is the most important thing for any console maker. Adding features for the top 1% is not.
The race to $199 is the most important thing for any console maker. Adding features for the top 1% is not.
Knuckle Sandwich
Member
Looks like rubber. :-/
its not an extra light bar, its just another way to see the light bar that's already there. The original point of it was to see different colors of the controller to differentiate players, but that doesnt work if you can't even see the colors while your playing, hence a slit at the top
LukasTaves
Member
Wtf that part about the controller when using the game having a significantly reduced response time compared to wireless.
Is the response really that bad that immediately becomes noticeable?
Is the response really that bad that immediately becomes noticeable?
It looks to be annoying as hell when you will try to play in a dark room.
Do you really need to see your color the entire time? It's not like it will dynamically change mid game or something. Tilt your gamepad for half a second while the game is loading in to see what color/player you are