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[Father_Brain]

I know. Unfortunately that fake has made people cautious (which isn't a bad thing in its own right) to believe anything - regardless of the outlet, its reputation, or the quality of the source.

There's always a place for rational skepticism. After all, no one outlet or reporter, however prestigious, is completely infallible.

However, when WSJ, Eurogamer, IGN, MCV, LPVG, Tweaktown, Semiaccurate, etc. have all independently corroborated the hybrid reports, it's not really about rational skepticism anymore.

 

[MuchoMalo]

SMD is mind-boggling. I can understand him clinging hard to what he has reported if he has multiple "devs" (in his mind) telling him this. Understandable.

But his logic at times is bizarre. For instance, he's now saying the 6.2-inch screen would be "too big for Japan" and is saying that since automobile displays are 6.2 inches, that's where the report came from and it was a mistake. That makes no sense whatsoever.

I'm fairly confident that he has sources secretly telling him all the lies he wants to hear, and he's so certain that he's hearing the truth that he feels he's fighting the spread of misinformation.

That wouldn't give Nintendo enough time to hype up the NX for March.

Yes, but at this point I'm just expecting the worst.

I would bet on at least one of:
- Eurogamer
- WSJ
- Emily Rogers
- Let's Play Video Games
- MCV

Getting something significantly wrong in their reporting. Not saying they're completely wrong, just it's doubtful everything they've reported all turns out to be accurate.

It's more likely that important details are missing. It might feel like we know everything, but there are clearly holes to be filled.

 

[RoombaDance]

I don't think Pikmin 4 should be considered a real game yet, but just a tech demo they've got a couple of people fooling around with. Remember Pikmin 3 was confirmed in 2008, then first shown in 2012 and released in 2013.

"It's actually very close to completion," Miyamoto said. "Pikmin teams are always working on the next one."

Nintendo then confirmed the news to Eurogamer in a separate statement:

"We can confirm that Pikmin 4 is in development but that is all we can confirm at present."

These type of statements from Nintendo developers haven't been very reliable in the past. They tend to announce anticipated games before they've even got a team together. I wouldn't put much faith in the original "close to completion" quote.

 

[James Scott]

Do we have any real information on this? Or is this just generally accepted information from someone's ass?

Generally accepted. Don't know of many big games that had less than 3 months of hype behind it.
Don't think many have tried with consoles outside of the Saturn had a <3 months anticipation period and that for sure hurt it.
Ps4 had 6 months and that seems to be doing well.

 

[Schnozberry]

Yes, but at this point I'm just expecting the worst.

That's a user tag if I've ever seen one.

 

[Mr. Pointy]

If there is a NX Direct before Sony's Neo reveal, it'll probably only show the bare minimum info and one or two games. And the rest they'll leave to a press event in October or something.

 

[Roto Prime]

If there is a NX Direct before Sony's Neo reveal, it'll probably only show the bare minimum info and one or two games. And the rest they'll leave to a press event in October or something.

I think the direct rumor was a joke ;___;

 

[oti]

"It's time to talk about our NeXt Revolution. Join us on the 15th for a special Nintendo Direct."

Nintendo plz.

 

[Schnozberry]

Generally accepted. Don't know of many big games that had less than 3 months of hype behind it.
Don't think many have tried with consoles outside of the Saturn had a <3 months anticipation period and that for sure hurt it.
Ps4 had 6 months and that seems to be doing well.

I expect it to be announced before the Holidays in the attempt to get people to withhold some dollars or nab some preorders, but at the same time I think a January blowout and a steady stream of information until a late March release would be compressed enough to build sustained momentum. I think a six month information cycle usually has periods where it seems like new information stops after the the initial reveal to a trickle until the last few months leading to release anyways.

March is tax refund time in the US, so it really isn't a bad time for a console release, especially if the price is within impulse territory ($250 and less) and there is a decent amount of software primed for launch. It seems like NX is aiming for all of that.

 

[DerekOfTheDykes]

I'm fairly confident that he has sources secretly telling him all the lies he wants to hear, and he's so certain that he's hearing the truth that he feels he's fighting the spread of misinformation.

All I'd like to point out is, he pushed awful hard to have his one legit source verified by bish to prove he was the real deal. If he has sources now, why wouldn't he do the same thing with them?

 

[michaelius]

For discussion sake: What would you consider great battery life? I could say 5hrs isn't great battery life, but someone may find that acceptable. So if I tell you the NX has not so great battery life (as an opinion from my perspective of what good battery life is), it may could be fine to others.

5hrs is better than Vita/3DS anyway

 

[MoonFrog]

Check my edit.

This is getting pretty stupid. You are all over the place. First it can't have TV out on a fully portable pad, because that is too much like the Gamepad. But it can be a hybrid, just has to have a dock (which is part of the damn rumor). But it can't have a dock. So it can't be a hybrid.

So home console then. But it can't be a successor to Wii U. Full portable gamepad is too much like non-fully portable Gamepad. If that is too much like Wii U, then how the hell is Nintendo Corebox not too much like Wii U?! Because it has a different brand like DS and GBA? Wouldn't the hypothetical hybrid too? Because...?! I'm drawing a blank.

You are being arbitrarily anal about a quote. That is all.

...

Look, you could be right that the rumors are wrong, but you do not have a principled argument for why people should think they are wrong. You don't.

Per above, you are abusing one quote for no apparent reason. Moreover, I have given you why that quote is not inviolate.

Moreover, I have given you why the rumor makes sense of what we think we know about the system.

Yet further, I have given you why the rumor makes sense in the context of Nintendo's business position and decisions.

On top of this, these are rumors from reputable sources. Things like the WSJ.

You have provided no reason why your quote is inviolate, nor argued against full portability and hybrid status being revolutionary, nor told me why this makes no sense coming from Nintendo. Nor have you given reason to not trust the sources. Moreover, you aren't even clear on what it is you are disputing. One minute it is TV out on the gamepad. Next minute it is the dock. One minute it is the whole idea of any portability at all, next minute it is the brand name.

To what end are you even arguing?!

...

Do we know everything? Obviously not, but it the body of evidence and common sense points to us knowing something from these rumors.

 

[Oregano]

For discussion sake: What would you consider great battery life? I could say 5hrs isn't great battery life, but someone may find that acceptable. So if I tell you the NX has not so great battery life (as an opinion from my perspective of what good battery life is), it may could be fine to others.

I'd be okay with 3DS-level battery life but I'd be more annoyed/worried about the fact that it has a noisy fan. I don't want my portable taking off if I let go of it.

 

[Malus]

I'd be okay with 3DS-level battery life but I'd be more annoyed/worried about the fact that it has a noisy fan. I don't want my portable taking off if I let go of it.

So it'd be a home console, handheld, and a drone. Unparalleled value.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

All I'd like to point out is, he pushed awful hard to have his one legit source verified by bish to prove he was the real deal. If he has sources now, why wouldn't he do the same thing with them?

Sock puppets are hard to verify.

 

[Speely]

So it'd be a home console, handheld, and a drone. Unparalleled value.

The Nintendrone. When you play the Game of Drones, you win or you fly.

 

[RavageDark]

This is getting pretty stupid. You are all over the place. First it can't have TV out on a fully portable pad, because that is too much like the Gamepad. But it can be a hybrid, just has to have a dock (which is part of the damn rumor). But it can't have a dock. So it can't be a hybrid.

So home console then. But it can't be a successor to Wii U. Full portable gamepad is too much like non-fully portable Gamepad. If that is too much like Wii U, then how the hell is Nintendo Corebox not too much like Wii U?! Because it has a different brand like DS and GBA? Wouldn't the hypothetical hybrid too? Because...?! I'm drawing a blank.

You are being arbitrarily anal about a quote. That is all.

...

Look, you could be right that the rumors are wrong, but you do not have a principled argument for why people should think they are wrong. You don't.

Per above, you are abusing one quote for no apparent reason. Moreover, I have given you why that quote is not inviolate.

Moreover, I have given you why the rumor makes sense of what we think we know about the system.

Yet further, I have given you why the rumor makes sense in the context of Nintendo's business position and decisions.

On top of this, these are rumors from reputable sources. Things like the WSJ.

You have provided no reason why your quote is inviolate, nor argued against full portability and hybrid status being revolutionary, nor told me why this makes no sense coming from Nintendo. Nor have you given reason to not trust the sources. Moreover, you aren't even clear on what it is you are disputing. One minute it is TV out on the gamepad. Next minute it is the dock. One minute it is the whole idea of any portability at all, next minute it is the brand name.

To what end are you even arguing?!

...

Do we know everything? Obviously not, but it the body of evidence and common sense points to us knowing something from these rumors.

A Nintendo Corebox would be powerful and not have a gimmicky controller - especially one that has been frowned upon. That's pretty different from the Wii U.

 

[WiiRevolution1]

For discussion sake: What would you consider great battery life? I could say 5hrs isn't great battery life, but someone may find that acceptable. So if I tell you the NX has not so great battery life (as an opinion from my perspective of what good battery life is), it may could be fine to others.

5 hours would be a megaton coming off my new 2DS which lasts two hours at the most.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

5 hours would be a megaton coming off my new 2DS which lasts two hours at the most.

5 hours would kick ass.

 

[MoonFrog]

A Nintendo Corebox would be powerful and not have a gimmicky controller - especially one that has been frowned upon. That's pretty different from the Wii U.

But, hybrid functionality isn't? XD.

I'm done.

 

[RavageDark]

But, hybrid functionality isn't? XD.

I'm done.

So am I.

 

[Roto Prime]

So it'd be a home console, handheld, and a drone. Unparalleled value.

UNPARALLELED VALUE, put my name down for the Nintendo drone!

 

[Malus]

5 hours would be a megaton coming off my new 2DS which lasts two hours at the most.

Same with the pitiful Wii U gamepad battery life.

I have fears that the 6.2 inch screen means something as big and chunky as the Wii U Gamepad for the NX. No big bezels please Nintendo!

But without the big bezel where will I put my doritos?

 

[MDave]

Two things:
1/ That's not a 6.2 inch screen.
2/ There is free software out there that will do a much better job than Paint. Like Gimp.

Can go a step further and not install anything, just use your web browser!

https://pixlr.com/editor/

There is no excuse to use Paint now

I have fears that the 6.2 inch screen means something as big and chunky as the Wii U Gamepad for the NX. No big bezels please Nintendo!

 

[MuchoMalo]

All I'd like to point out is, he pushed awful hard to have his one legit source verified by bish to prove he was the real deal. If he has sources now, why wouldn't he do the same thing with them?

Because it allegedly didn't end well for him the first time, with a possible visit from Nintendo's lawyers.

 

[WiiRevolution1]

Same with the pitiful Wii U gamepad battery life.

Yeah, I think My WiiU gamepad us even slightly worse than my 2DS as I've played two hours straight from full charge of Splatoon and it turned red by the end.

Really sad how Nintndo has just disregarded battery life from 3DS and WiiU and likely NX. :/

 

[jmizzal]

Hasnt pretty much every source said the reveal is happening in Sept right, so its has to happen at some point this month

 

[Neoxon]

All I'd like to point out is, he pushed awful hard to have his one legit source verified by bish to prove he was the real deal. If he has sources now, why wouldn't he do the same thing with them?

Because he supposedly ratted out his source the first time, & now no genuine source will go anywhere near him.

 

[Plinko]

Interestingly Emily did mention that this is what we can expect from the final NX unit. She said she doesn't expect things to dramatically change and this should be close to the final product.

I'm not trying to argue for or against you, I'm just repeating what Emily said. Your comment kind of dismisses her point.

(The article where she mentions this: https://arcadegirl64.wordpress.com/2016/09/02/rumor-what-should-we-expect-from-the-final-nx-product/)

Personally I think it's very possible for the NX to have a not so great battery life, considering all the stuff inside of it. But I'm no expert in this area.

Right--I'm just using the logic of a Pascal with 60% power reduction compared to the chip currently in the devkit along with a fan.

How would she even know the power draw at that point? It doesn't make any sense. It goes against what NateDrake is saying against Pascal, and I believe Nate. I think it is much more likely she was told what the current devkit gets.

 

[Mariolee]

Hasnt pretty much every source said the reveal is happening in Sept right, so its has to happen at some point this month

Pretty sure only one source said that outright, with a couple saying they kinda hear the same thing maybe.

 

[Malus]

Because it allegedly didn't end well for him the first time, with a possible visit from Nintendo's lawyers.

He did sort of try to get HappyNintendoFan verified, or at least he said HNF was trying to do so. I imagine it didn't go anywhere.

We're all talking about SMD ratting out his source, and while that sounds like a likely story considering the fallout post-leak, I'm kinda uncomfortable with some almost treating it like fact when the info is coming from one guy on neogaf who hasn't been verified or anything. No disrespect to Derek but that's my take on it.

 

[Fourth Storm]

Can go a step further and not install anything, just use your web browser!

https://pixlr.com/editor/

There is no excuse to use Paint now

I have fears that the 6.2 inch screen means something as big and chunky as the Wii U Gamepad for the NX. No big bezels please Nintendo!

It might not be that big if they go for thin bezels. Their partner on LCD panels, Sharp, have the tech for ultra-thin bezels. We've also heard that their won't be a camera on the handheld, so the hope for thin bezels may not be in vain.

If Nintendo do use thin bezels, the height of the device would be comparable to a 3DS XL: About 3.5".

 

[MDave]

But without the big bezel where will I put my doritos?

There is a hatch on the back that opens up revealing a dipping pot, containing the secret sauce.

 

[Retrobox]

Yeah, I think My WiiU gamepad us even slightly worse than my 2DS as I've played two hours straight from full charge of Splatoon and it turned red by the end.

Really sad how Nintndo has just disregarded battery life from 3DS and WiiU and likely NX. :/

And then their pro controller has 80+ hours of battery life.

Fucking lol

 

[jmizzal]

Pretty sure only one source said that outright, with a couple saying they kinda hear the same thing maybe.

Wasnt it Eurogamer, Emily, the site that said Sept 6th and WSJ? Thought it might be another

 

[Malus]

And then their pro controller has 80+ hours of battery life.

Fucking lol

The Wii U thing could be alleviated in a lot of cases if they would just let me turn the darn screen off when it's not being used.

There is a hatch on the back that opens up revealing a dipping pot, containing the secret sauce.

Doritos ain't dipping food. Get your facts straight.

 

[DerekOfTheDykes]

Because it allegedly didn't end well for him the first time, with a possible visit from Nintendo's lawyers.

But that wasn't a result of him getting his source verified, it was a result of his information being accurate. If he had never verified his source with bish, it wouldn't have changed him getting a visit. Otherwise every bish-verified insider would suddenly find themselves without a job, and I'd like to think we'd all know if NeoGAF was actually turning over every leaker they verified!

Because he supposedly ratted out his source the first time, & now no genuine source will go anywhere near him.

Hopefully true, but my larger point was that if he did, he'd be pushing to get verified again.

You can tell that he does not have sources based on the fact that he does not care to have anyone verified. He just wants to gloat about the info he "knows".

He did sort of try to get HappyNintendoFan verified, or at least he said HNF was trying to do so. I imagine it didn't go anywhere.

We're all talking about SMD ratting out his source, and while that sounds like a likely story considering the fallout post-leak, I'm kinda uncomfortable with some almost treating it like fact when the info is coming from one guy on neogaf who hasn't been verified or anything. No disrespect to Derek but that's my take on it.

To be fair, he also made a big hubbub of also wanting to get his source about FFXV on NX verified, and never actually did it. Had plenty of time to verify the new guy though. Wouldn't be the first time SMD said he wanted someone verified without actually doing it.

No disrespect taken, btw. Skepticism is generally healthy. Not that it means much in the grand scheme of things, I'm sure we'll all see soon enough that he and the rest of that circle are dead wrong, and this will all be kinda pointless.

 

[Rubixcuba]

I sure hope the first footage of any NX game we see is more exciting then when Sony showed off Knack.

 

[MuchoMalo]

He did sort of try to get HappyNintendoFan verified, or at least he said HNF was trying to do so. I imagine it didn't go anywhere.

We're all talking about SMD ratting out his source, and while that sounds like a likely story considering the fallout post-leak, I'm kinda uncomfortable with some almost treating it like fact when the info is coming from one guy on neogaf who hasn't been verified or anything. No disrespect to Derek but that's my take on it.

I'm not treating it like fact. I want to make that clear.

 

[Franz Brötchen]

Yeah, I think My WiiU gamepad us even slightly worse than my 2DS as I've played two hours straight from full charge of Splatoon and it turned red by the end.

Really sad how Nintndo has just disregarded battery life from 3DS and WiiU and likely NX. :/

It is sad but also probably business smart. Battery life is nothing that you can sell any device on (except a battery pack itself obviously) as proven by Apple and others.
It is the very same with backwards compatibility: Just nice to have really but the instant it produces problems with things that have higher priority (price for example) it is thrown out of the window and only a few GAFfers will shed a tear.

 

[Malus]

I'm not treating it like fact. I want to make that clear.

Yeah, I wouldn't expect you to lol. But it's getting paraded around quite a bit in general.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

I sure hope the first footage of any NX game we see is more exciting then when Sony showed off Knack.

Nintendo used all the money they got from the sale of the Mariners to buy the Knack IP to turn it into an actual videogame.

 

[Oregano]

So it'd be a home console, handheld, and a drone. Unparalleled value.

Well that is a new way to play!

 

[MoonFrog]

I sure hope the first footage of any NX game we see is more exciting then when Sony showed off Knack.

Yeah. A lot of us are just sort of assuming that Nintendo has some big guns just around the corner. We were thinking the same thing going into e3 season last summer too, though. That 2015 drought had to mean something; there couldn't be a 2016 like we're getting from first party particularly .

I really hope we're right this time and NX first year is amazing.

 

[Rubixcuba]

Nintendo used all the money they got from the sale of the Mariners to buy the Knack IP to turn it into an actual videogame.

Knack x Mario = profit?

 

[OrbitalBeard]

I really hope we're right this time and NX first year is amazing.

If it's not,. Nintendo is no longer capable of properly supporting one platform, let alone two.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

Yeah. A lot of us are just sort of assuming that Nintendo has some big guns just around the corner. We were thinking the same thing going into e3 season last summer too, though. That 2015 drought had to mean something; there couldn't be a 2016 like we're getting from first party particularly .

I really hope we're right this time and NX first year is amazing.

I share the same feeling.
People expecting tons of great games being at the reveal are going to fall into the hole of reality.

 

[James Scott]

The original NVIDIA shield has a fan, apparently. Didn't think handhelds had them before. Did anyone own one and know if you could hear it?

 

[jax]

Another update. Now I'm just trying to get the shoulder buttons on there somehow .. PM me if you want a crack at the PSD.

 

[MDave]

Doritos ain't dipping food. Get your facts straight.

You're right! But with the secret sauce, anything it touches instantly becomes dipping food, it's the NX's secret. The hatch also doubles as a container for the Doritos, so you can play and eat at the same time as god intended.