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Why isn't Red Dead Redemption on PC?
- Thread starter triplestation
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Leslie Benzies, used to be the head at Rockstar North and has manned every major hit game for Rockstar Games since GTA3. He and his team at Rockstar North were brilliant coders on consoles, often arrogant and difficult to work with, but he and his men sure as hell got the job done.
Back in 2009, the Red Dead 2 project at Rockstar San Diego was in complete shambles code wise due to the daft choices they made (see one of my posts quoted by other people in this thread), and the Houser brothers were begging Leslie to come and help on the project and to get a team at Rockstar North to help San Diego out with the project. The Benz is a nickname used by the Houser brothers because they always said he was close to them and considered him a major part of Rockstar Games.
Over the year 2014 and in 2015, Sam Houser fired Leslie Benzies causing a huge shuffle at Rockstar North with many long time vets leaving the company, this also broke out into other branches with long time people leaving Rockstar NYC and Rockstar San Diego (was around the time I stepped down too), after that more and more key people left the Rockstar Games studios during this period.
BigEmil
Junior Member
Native PC port > hacky inaccurate terrible emulation. I want that good PC port.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
Don't know about that, a PC is many things
That's not usually the first thing to come to mind
But I suppose yes it can be used to play games at 720p, but that's a bit last gen though.
Anywho, what I mean was R* was obviously obligated to get RDR out on Consoles and PC being many things including a machine you can play games on probably left a question mark on if they should and if it's worth it
Add that the code was a mess and you have you answer.
Now to answer back to the "PC can play games better than consoles" that doesn't matter
Im sure R* would have fixed those problems if the Console versions was unreleasable
Oh okay, I was familiar with him and that story. Just forgot his name. Didn't he own a large stake in Rockstar or something?
No doubt it would take work, but you think they would care more about their franchises in terms of making them available to a larger audience with improved graphics. There's a reason why film studios go back and remaster film prints and re-release those movies. I just figured Rockstar, with their pedigree of titles, would do the same.
And that's exactly why they should do it. It would be a great gift for their community and easily bring in more money than their initial investment. Plus it could introduce a new generation to the Red Dead universe before they announce the next title in that franchise.
They put that thing out on Xbox One, PS4 and PC and they'd make their money back within a day or two. No doubt.
Not keen on PC gaming? The GTA PC community is huge. Why do you think they made massive improvements over the PS4 version? It's also one of the best ports to come out in a long time.
Simo
Member
lol That's not the same though. Cleaning up and remastering a print compared to having rebuild and making sure your code works that was originally put together with duct tape using 2 different existing versions of you propriety engine, transferring that to your current generation engine AND then porting that to PC? Nah. Not to mention the work they'd also have to do on the online side of things when RDR's servers got corrupted and are trash now.
No RDR is done. If new gamers want to experience it then the best way is to get the X1 and use the backwards compatibility. Yes it sucks for PC gamers but on the bright side at least there will be more hope of the new Red Dead being on PC if all the games following Red Dead have been on PC.
PHOENIXZERO
Member
I wish I had gotten the last couple trophies I needed to get the platinum before RDR's MP and everything went to shit. =\
What? Redemption was a HUGE (and to some a suprise) hit for what was basically a new IP (yeah yeah, Revolver, no one cares about Revolver) selling over 10 million copies in its first year. Its online MP format can probably be credited as being the forebear to GTA Online and won't be at all surprised when RDR3's online evolves from what GTA Online, as disappointing as that could be seeing how Rockstar completely ignored single player DLC. Probably thanks to all those people who for whatever reason don't like playing through the main game.
Red Dead isn't GTA V which was likely planned early on to be moved to "next gen" along with PC and as already covered, Redemption's development was a total mess and it was by a somewhat miracle it turned out as well as it did in the end. Redemption isn't a "freelance it out to some port house" to get it out in six months type situation.
Where they have their engine now and how close the consoles and PC are compared to the past means they're probably at a point where they're done sending games to another branch for porting purposes.
GTA 1 took a while but GTA 2 was on consoles shortly after the PC release and sold quite well for what they were, even if they had focused on just Playstation and ignored PC there still would've been plenty of incentive to continue the series. So no it wasn't just "us PC gamers" who built up the series. GTA3 would've still done what it did had it been a brand new IP.
What? Redemption was a HUGE (and to some a suprise) hit for what was basically a new IP (yeah yeah, Revolver, no one cares about Revolver) selling over 10 million copies in its first year. Its online MP format can probably be credited as being the forebear to GTA Online and won't be at all surprised when RDR3's online evolves from what GTA Online, as disappointing as that could be seeing how Rockstar completely ignored single player DLC. Probably thanks to all those people who for whatever reason don't like playing through the main game.
Red Dead isn't GTA V which was likely planned early on to be moved to "next gen" along with PC and as already covered, Redemption's development was a total mess and it was by a somewhat miracle it turned out as well as it did in the end. Redemption isn't a "freelance it out to some port house" to get it out in six months type situation.
Where they have their engine now and how close the consoles and PC are compared to the past means they're probably at a point where they're done sending games to another branch for porting purposes.
GTA 1 took a while but GTA 2 was on consoles shortly after the PC release and sold quite well for what they were, even if they had focused on just Playstation and ignored PC there still would've been plenty of incentive to continue the series. So no it wasn't just "us PC gamers" who built up the series. GTA3 would've still done what it did had it been a brand new IP.
Silent Chief
Member
And I'm glad I don't bother with Rockstar's online trophies. I don't understand why they don't just release their online as standalone games.
MilkyJoe
Member
Thre's a rumor today that it is coming to PC, PS4 and Xbone in a remaster, to be announced on the 7th Sptember.
http://www.justpushstart.com/2016/09/rumor-red-dead-redemption-remastered-coming-ps4xbox-onepc/
original source
http://gamefocus.co.kr/detail.php?number=62952&thread=22r02
http://www.justpushstart.com/2016/09/rumor-red-dead-redemption-remastered-coming-ps4xbox-onepc/
original source
http://gamefocus.co.kr/detail.php?number=62952&thread=22r02
I know people who work at North and on Friday they told me they were working on something exciting that is a preexisting IP (edit: I don't think those were their precise words actually, think I misremembered that.) They said to look out for news in the next two weeks though.
I don't think RDRR is likely but fingers crossed. We'll be hearing from R* North soon either way.
Real_Madrid
Member
Let's hope so. Remastering Red Dead may be a huge task given the rumors about the code being a mess, but it would sell millions on the big 3 platforms. I could even see it doing like 10 million in a few years with some discounts.
They could sell it for 60 euro with all the DLC imo, it's a huge game and people clearly want huge open world games.
That said, I don't know why Sony would get the remaster reveal. If Rockstar are working on the next Red Dead, it seems way more likely that they announce the new game and immediately releasing the remaster for RDR.
New thread worthy?
Hip Hop
Member
MilkyJoe
Member
I don't think there's enough there, but knock yourself out.
South Korea always comes through
Would we expect the multiplayer to be a part of a remaster if it was ever done?
Part of me thinks no, but part of me also thinks they would revisit it al la GTA Online with shark cards and all that jazz.
Or maybe they'd just save that for the next game in the series.
Eh, that's what I was thinking.
Part of me thinks no, but part of me also thinks they would revisit it al la GTA Online with shark cards and all that jazz.
Or maybe they'd just save that for the next game in the series.
Eh, that's what I was thinking.
Hells yes (if true). Kinda sucks for the people who JUST replayed it through the Xbone BC though.
They are already developing it, just have patience
Perhaps this RDR rumor is just a misunderstanding of RDR2 being the game that'll be shown on Wednesday
Seems a lot more likely.
Since R* North was not behind RDR: New Rockstar's Table Tennis? I'd love that!
Rockstar doesn't need Sony. They will always do their own thing.
crazy monkey
Banned
I have it ps3 and i do not like it. I have no idea what i am suppose to do. All my diary says go buy home. On pc i would have moded it for sure.
metareferential
Member
"There's no need for more money" said no company ever.
Simo
Member
Yeah I'm maybe thinking they've got their wires crossed and the info they got is for RDR2 and not a remaster? The Korean source is citing the news because of localization for RDR game but it just seems more likely that with the platforms, timing and release window it'd be a new sequel not a remaster.
I mean we've had someone here in the thread who worked for Rockstar comment multiple times why a remaster hasn't happened and if they were working on it then why bother with the BC for X1 this year? lol
This is here is quite exciting though! I'd wager it'd be a new Red Dead since no Rockstar game is ever developed by 1 studio anymore but all of them including a brand new one this year.
Enter The 36 Chambers
Member
Wow.
So this is what people mean when they overuse the word entitled huh?
GTA didn't need PC to become the series it is today.
Grim Patron
Member
Pretty much. That post is hilarious.
Simo
Member
Hhooooooo
Beerman462
Member
No more so than the post he responded to. We don't have to grateful to game developers and they don't have to be grateful to us.
Make a game and make it great and I give you money to make more great games. That's it. That's the relationship.
They want money and we want games. Let's stop complicating things.
The Artisan
Member
and sold a million copies in like a week, right? It's certainly profitable, I don't know why they wouldn't be fond of it.
Lister
Banned
Exactly, and in terms of profit those 1 million would have been equivalent to 2+ million console retail sales.
It's definitely a profitable endeavor, specially when you're talking about a port. It's not like they need to remake the game, although even asset touch ups wouldn't be much of an issue, givent he possible return on investment.