YianGaruga
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Not really. Team ICO games play like Team ICO games. It's unique and you like it or you don't.
ICO and SOTC are still amazing games in 2016
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Polygon: "After a Half-Hour with The Last Guardian, I'm Concerned"
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Not really. Team ICO games play like Team ICO games. It's unique and you like it or you don't.
ICO and SOTC are still amazing games in 2016
I read that Kotaku link and I fail to see what part sounds rough. It's purposefully "clunky", just like Ico and SOTC were. Some people like it, some don't. For me these games play like nothing else and that's part of the reason why I adore them so much.
The clunkiness in SOTC, for example, makes every leap exciting, as you're never fully certain you're gonna reach your target until you connect with it. It adds a sort of realistic tension to everything you're doing in that game.
They build their relationship up though out the game as they bond.
wesleyshark
Banned
I'm referring to the entire Kotaku review
I mean, yeah you could chalk it up to the usual Team ICO stuff, but that doesn't excuse it. We're comparing it to PS2 games that came out 12+ years ago, that's not really a good thing. It should feel good to play no matter what.
I'm also concerned about the game technically. Extremely long development times are almost always bad for games, it seems.
I'm also concerned about the game technically. Extremely long development times are almost always bad for games, it seems.
Plinko
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LOL my exact reaction. Every Team ICO game feels this way.
well it makes sense for this game. It would be pretty ingenious if both the main character and the bird dog over time become more confident in their movements and interactions as the game progresses.
things like this description would seem as if the child isnt strong enough so there would be things like this that would happen early in the game. I mean its pretty realistic that it would be hard to move certain things from a childs perspective instead of having super strength and ability to just move heavy objects. lol
I have a feeling this game will be divisive based on peoples perceptions on how games should play should they be instantly gratifying for every movement or should they have a bit of realism in place to say that if it were a child doing these things that they may not always be able to accomplish a task easily.
things like this description would seem as if the child isnt strong enough so there would be things like this that would happen early in the game. I mean its pretty realistic that it would be hard to move certain things from a childs perspective instead of having super strength and ability to just move heavy objects. lol
I have a feeling this game will be divisive based on peoples perceptions on how games should play should they be instantly gratifying for every movement or should they have a bit of realism in place to say that if it were a child doing these things that they may not always be able to accomplish a task easily.
Brewster's Wallet
Member
ICO really isn't. Tried to play it for the first time 2 years ago and it's absolutely infuriating.
Haven't played SOTC due to my problems with ICO.
Baroquemantic
Member
I like the fact that Trico actually acts like an animal. I'm sure some will find it frustrating, but that makes me more excited for the game.
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So TLG = The Order: 2016? Where do these sort of leaps in logic come from..
Nothing about this post makes sense.
right lmao you gotta call out to them especially in the beginning and teaching animals is a pain the ass lmao.
I feel like this game makes for an awful demo, but a full-length game could be able to build on things like this that they make intentionally frustrating.
That's my hope at least!
Agreed. I replayed SOTC about month ago, it's still a great game.
From trailer one this game looked like the controls behaved just like ICO and SotC. Polygon isn't telling us anything new, but I guess there'a a batch of gamers that just aren't going to like this kind of physics-based controls. I usually don't, but it doesn't bother me at all in Ueda's games. In fact, I like 'em. 
A real issue I saw in the recent gameplay footage is the camera, and I don't see how that can be fixed. Enclosed environments + huge creature = you're fucked.
A real issue I saw in the recent gameplay footage is the camera, and I don't see how that can be fixed. Enclosed environments + huge creature = you're fucked.Heckler456
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The kotaku article doesn't refer to the controls of the main character
FTFY
Look at Recore on the Xbox one, a lot of people really like it here. Old school style and not your typical 2016 video game, but with a few flaws.
It will depend on what flavor of the week some reviewers decide tastes good. Maybe TLG will hit when that type of game is suddenly the right flavor. LOL
double jump
you haven't lived until a random little kid ask you "how do you make love".
People already making excuses for bad gameplay design. Hell naw they working on this game for like half my life. No excuses. Don't let fandom blind you to constructive criticism.
Oh I know it hasn't, but nonetheless it's a very long time and it is slightly worrying to be using PS2 games as a point of reference for controls in 2016.
I LOVED Shadow and Ico though, don't get me wrong. I won't be... disappointed if that's how things pan out, but I would not be opposed to them modernizing a little in terms of presentation.
YianGaruga
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Pai Pai Master
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Sounds like a team ico game...
Did this guy also hate the way the horse handled in SOTC?
Did this guy also hate the way the horse handled in SOTC?
RockTurtle
Member
well the game isn't out yet so we'll know for sure then, but given *what i think are* the thematic choices for the character movement (sluggish) in the previous games its par the course...
This is just a dismissive statement. When the question is why team ico games had characters move like that then the answer to that is not "because team ico games play like team ico games". I am talking about understanding why they were the way they were in the first place...we are literally talking about a time when almost none of the modern animation techniques existed in games.
And I didn't say they aren't amazing games in 2016... In don't understand why any criticism makes people go on the defensive and assert that the games are amazing when no one said otherwise.
But I can guarantee you that if SOTC came out today with the equivalent of what it was in PS2 era (basically half the resolution of the average game, 15-17Fps average framerate) it would not have been received well no matter how outstanding the core game was...and this has nothing to do with "COD/FPS crowd" because Ico/SOTC were niche games when they came out as well.
Probably a 6 or 7. 4 or 5 if Arthur Gies reviews it and uses the review as a commentary on some issue in gaming and it's evident he only spent five minutes with it.
Kagoshima_Luke
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I don't trust Polygon. I could totally see them using the delay as leverage to write something like this for the clicks.
TetraGenesis
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I'm sure what he's saying is accurate, and I have my apprehensions about TLG too, but remember this is the guy who gave The Last of Us a 7.5.
Scientist Supreme!
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This doesn't make any sense.
Red Liquorice
Member
The snippet quote in the OP makes it sound like it controls like the original Prince of Persia and sounds more of a style choice than poor controls. I only briefly played both Ico and SotC but they both felt "quirky" too in terms of player controls.
thepenguin55
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Phil Kollar seems like a nice guy, but I've noticed that my gaming preferences are RARELY ever in line with his. Also, it seems like the biggest universal complaint with this game is controls. I would argue that none of the Team Ico games have intuitive controls, but you learn them and eventually the controls become second nature.
Yup. Which reinforces my stance that I like Phil but we have very different views on games. TLOU is at least a 9 for me personally.
Yup. Which reinforces my stance that I like Phil but we have very different views on games. TLOU is at least a 9 for me personally.
From trailer one this game looked like the controls behaved just like ICO and SotC. Polygon isn't telling us anything new, but I guess there'a a batch of gamers that just aren't going to like this kind of physics-based controls. I usually don't, but it doesn't bother me at all in Ueda's games. In fact, I like 'em.
Yeah, the camera is looking to be problematic. Hopefully, there are more open-ended environments than they've showed off so far to help with that, but the interior stuff is probably going to be an issue to the very end.
theindieboy
Member
Oh dear! That's a real shame, hopefully the delay will result in some more polish.
YianGaruga
Banned
But even back then there were games that didn't control like ICO did. Team ICO games always had unique controls. That has little to do with the time they released in.
I am sure Last Guardian will have controls that are weird by modern standards. that does not mean they are bad. They were always INTENTIONALLY weighty and imprecise. It's likely that this is in LG as well.
One Polygon dude says it feels like a PS2 game. OK
Do people at Polygon actually like videogames?
wesleyshark
Banned
Of course. But only good ones
Yeah because we know that games with tons of technical bugs, glitches, inconsistent and poor frame rate and so on don't go on to sell millions of copies in this day and age and review well at that *rolls eyes*