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Polygon: "After a Half-Hour with The Last Guardian, I'm Concerned"
- Thread starter Trojan
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Maybe it should.
31GhostsIV
Banned
For an outlet that seems to be widely disliked on GAF, Polygon sure does get a lot of attention/clicks.
Just ignore them and the world will feel like a better place.
Just ignore them and the world will feel like a better place.
Serenitynow
Member
You guys should stop hating on the Polygon guy for giving his opinion, as that is his job.
You say, "Haven't you played a Team ICO game before?!" How many people this holiday are going to buy TLG who have never played Ico or SotC before? Probably a lot.
As a developer, ideally you want to make your game's controls feel good - not just for people who already have experience with your games - but for everyone. I'm not saying the controls are broken or anything like that, but some of you are getting too defensive and should give the guy and Polygon a break.
You say, "Haven't you played a Team ICO game before?!" How many people this holiday are going to buy TLG who have never played Ico or SotC before? Probably a lot.
As a developer, ideally you want to make your game's controls feel good - not just for people who already have experience with your games - but for everyone. I'm not saying the controls are broken or anything like that, but some of you are getting too defensive and should give the guy and Polygon a break.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Surely that surprises no one? It looks janky as fuck in all footage of it. At a basic gameplay level it does look like a terrible game. I mean, it's on its third platform now isn't it?
I mean, Ico and SotC weren't exactly known for their tight responsive controls.
I mean, Ico and SotC weren't exactly known for their tight responsive controls.
letmetrythisname
Member
"It feels like a PS2 game" comes off as code for "I started playing video games yesterday." And I don't even like Team ICO, but there's nothing wrong with games not adhering to contemporary "AAA" standards.
I think the argument for it's a team ICO game and there's meaning behind the awkward controls is kind of bs... Inside has a child as a main protagonist, it makes it feel like a child but in no way does that game suffer from the controls... The controls are fluid, as is the animation. And that's an indie game from a ten person team... Not a giant studio that's had limitless man-hours poured into its game.
alice_kiss_lara
Banned
just don't expect fancy graphics from japanese developers
pray for a stable framerate
pray for a stable framerate
Shadow of the Colossus wouldn't have been half the game it was to me if Wander didn't control and move like he did. It is so evocative.
bigdaddygamebot
Member
Audioboxer
Member
"Concerned"
Feel the concern.
Everyone raise their concern levels.
Feel the concern.
Everyone raise their concern levels.
butman
Member
Came to say this. Polygon known nothing.
eXistor
Member
Hype diminished...by nothing at all. People complained about SotC's controls as well and I found no flaws in them, they were different from what people were used to, but not worse, I thought they were better in fact and helped cement the game as an all-time classic.
Really. Many of the greatest games of all time were on PS2, so it's an insult how? I wish more games felt like PS2 games. I assume he means outdated by today's standards, but it's a dumb way of putting it.
DriftingSpirit
Member
Dee Dah Dave
Member
I don't expect this to be amazing like some are hoping. It's been in 'development hell' for like what, 15 years?
That's never a good sign. But as long as it's a reasonably solid ICO-like game. I am in!
That's never a good sign. But as long as it's a reasonably solid ICO-like game. I am in!
Enter The 36 Chambers
Member
You mean they critique and give their opinions which you disagree with.
This is some fanboy garbage.
I'll never understand why people become so emotionally attached to games not even out yet. And anyone says anything bad about it is "bias" or they hate video games or are terrible at them.
Fuck off. People will feel differently than you will about things. Grow up and realise their opinions just opinions.
Same way some enjoy the "bad" controls in these games.
theepicoftyler
Member
I think we all could've expected as much. Would it be nice for a "better" playing game? Sure, but I don't think anyone had an illusions that it would be different. Especially watching the video footage we've seen so far.
And they are among the most revered games of all time.
Not every game needs the responsiveness of Mario. Certainly wouldn't hurt, but the core essence of the game doesn't rely on it.
Honestly, I loved the game despite the controls. They weren't good at all and very unintuitive.
But the grand scale and the magic of finding and defeating the Colossi trumped that anyhow.
humansarehorses
Member
What about Inside makes the protagonist control like a kid? People, kids especially, are clumsy and many aren't well coordinated.
15 years? No, it wasn't.
35 years.
hydrophilic attack
Member
sounds like an interesting experience
Honestly man, I wish more people around here felt this way.
Unfortunately this stuff exists in every form of fandom. Whether it is fiction, sports or videogames and board games.
People get too emotionally invested in it and cannot see the forest for the trees.
Definitely keep calling the shitty immature behavior out, hopefully one day the people spewing the nonsense start to figure it out.
Toadthemushroom
Member
I don't like the criticism of the controls. There seems to be some sort of assumption that a game of a certain type has to have a certain type of controls, but controls like the ones mentioned bring character to the game. Think about how in Metal Gear Solid 3, Snake fires his pistol on the release of a button, not the press. Or how the slower turning circle in GTA IV made running around buildings and pedestrians feel more satisfying even though it was harder to execute.
And I don't think it's fair to say that the controls don't suit that type of game either, the game's obviously going to have been fine-tuned with them in mind. The game that people playtest will have those exact controls in them, so unless they are incredibly broken and make the game a real chore to play I don't see anything wrong.
And I don't think it's fair to say that the controls don't suit that type of game either, the game's obviously going to have been fine-tuned with them in mind. The game that people playtest will have those exact controls in them, so unless they are incredibly broken and make the game a real chore to play I don't see anything wrong.
King of Custard
Member
While I haven't played any of the game, I take any criticism that polygon level at it with a huge mountain of salt.
Seriously these are the guys who couldn't shoot straight in Doom.
Seriously these are the guys who couldn't shoot straight in Doom.
Here's hoping this is a sarcastic post.
Haha. Very true. I forgot about that.
DrunkShogun
Member
Seems expected based off previous work. Team ico love showing the character traits through animation. Wander in sotc being so flimsy in his actions always encouraged the view of how inferior and weak he was compared to the colossus. This game will definitely have some gameplay issues but it's whether the game will hit the same highs as its predecessors.
That stuff about Trico having it's own mind sounds awful. You can not add puzzles to a game that require the imput of an AI companion and then give that companion "it's own logic".
Buuuuut, because it's Team ICO it will be regarded as genius and unique.
davidwhangchoi
Member
i honestly won't have a problem with the gameplay. i commented back when the first trailer came out that it looked like a ps2 game remastered to ps3. that's probably my only knock on it.
i'm playing ICO on my Sony BVM via RGB bc it's one of the rare ps2 games to output 240p.
simply beautiful...
since i'm a retro gamer, i won't have a problem w last guardian's graphics and have the statue edition pre-ordered but for a ps4 game i expected more graphically.
i'm playing ICO on my Sony BVM via RGB bc it's one of the rare ps2 games to output 240p.
simply beautiful...
since i'm a retro gamer, i won't have a problem w last guardian's graphics and have the statue edition pre-ordered but for a ps4 game i expected more graphically.
Omnistalgic
Member
I think the same thing was said about every one of this teams games. The meat is in the feels, the journey and presentation.
Obviously, by end game, trico will start listening to you more directly, you will have adjusted to the controls by the fact your 3-4 hours into using a control system, game likely is under 10 hours, even shorter once you go through the puzzles once. What will make or break the game, Is the lasting impression, and I think Ueda has a knack for it...
You guys are too doom and gloom, I'm expecting solid mid 80s on reviews. The team is going to at the very least tell a good story.
Obviously, by end game, trico will start listening to you more directly, you will have adjusted to the controls by the fact your 3-4 hours into using a control system, game likely is under 10 hours, even shorter once you go through the puzzles once. What will make or break the game, Is the lasting impression, and I think Ueda has a knack for it...
You guys are too doom and gloom, I'm expecting solid mid 80s on reviews. The team is going to at the very least tell a good story.
Dee Dah Dave
Member
It must be close. This game started development on the PS2.
gamechanger87
Member
Not really. People are just hoping its great (for what ever reason) and are willing to look past any flaws that are raised by so called "biased" parties.
What I can't figure out is how so many people don't understand what is meant by "it feels like a PS2 game", and everyone responds "This is Great I love PS2!"
If you go back and play any older games in 3D worlds, you will notice how janky the movement is and how awful the camera work was. Developers have gotten better at making player movements smooth and more natural. Let's face it games back then controlled like shit, but there were the best we had at the time.
I can understand why and I am glad you still enjoyed the game! To me SotC is one of the only games ever where the controls are part of the narrative.
Imp the Dimp
Member
PS2 is the best console ever so I think we're good
Hibiki Kurosawa
Member
Sounds similar to Ico and SotC, so I pretty I'll be able to withstand it, but it's really something need to try for myself.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
So it's a Team ICO game then ... Thank God for that!
Paracelsus
Member
SoTC had the same identical "heavy floating" feeling, like swinging the character instead of controlling it in real time. It wasn't really an issue, and in a game that is set to be way less dynamic than that, I don't see a problem.
Omnistalgic
Member
Why is this nonsense still spread?
The game has not been in active development for 15 years.
It was put on hold, and returned to.
wapplew
Member
I feel sorry for game tester of TLG, they have to test those puzzle with the possibility of game breaking AI...
Ueda is crazy.
