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[DiipuSurotu]

I really really like bruce willis movies.
The guy is an huuuge douche.
Several journalist said this.

Does it stop me from watching his movies?
NO.

He is an great actor. (Fifth element)
Don't mix politics with games.
Enjoy the art ignore the person behind it.

Giving money to someone = ignoring that someone? lol.

 

[Sibylus]

For me...The Last of Us: Left Behind.

I was definitely left behind, because I am not intrigued by homosexuality nor exploring same sex relations.

As a gay woman, comments like these are profoundly disappointing. My existence is not a political statement. Why must characters who are like me be a political statement?

 

[Lijik]

I really really like bruce willis movies.
The guy is an huuuge douche.
Several journalist said this.

Does it stop me from watching his movies?
NO.

He is an great actor. (Fifth element)
Don't mix politics with games.
Enjoy the art ignore the person behind it.

there is a major gulf between bruce willis being dickish and some of the examples in this thread

 

[Spukc]

Giving money to someone = ignoring that someone? lol.

Well liking the stuff a person makes does not mean i like the person behind it.

I find this quite easy to understand.
And by giving him my money he might make more of the stuff i like.

Again i dont have to speak with him.
Why is this so difficult to understand.

Don't you listen to music and have zero interest what the artist does in his private life?

 

[RPGam3r]

I usually don't let an artist ruin their art. In the case of gaming, there are many people on most dev teams so it seems unfairly weighted to punish many bc of one.

Also I don't need to nor do I want to always agree with the art I consume. Some neat art is more interesting due to the context being not in alignment with my values. Do I hate it? No. Do I find it odd? Sure. Do I have to see eye to eye everything? No, that would make world boring.

 

[Spukc]

there is a major gulf between bruce willis being dickish and some of the examples in this thread

Agreed i am only talking about my example.
But at the end.
If i like the product i will buy it.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

Being an unpleasant person isn't politics, although someone's politics may make them an unpleasant person.

 

[gfxtwin]

I actually had to think about this for a while. After about ten minutes I arrived at the conclusion that game developers tend to be less controversial than most artists in other entertainment mediums. Obviously Custers Revenge is filth, and there are probably a handful of games almost as bad. But the amount of problematic games and their makers seems rarer compared to other forms of entertainment. I can't think of hardly any D.W Griffiths, Victor Salvas, Chris Browns, Mel Gibsons, Phil Spectors, etc in the game industry. At least none that come to mind. Maybe it is because the video games are the most recent entertainment industry, and/or the public spotlight isn't as focused on game developers for the most part, but in general there seems to be less of a pattern of ethical problems among game creators than in film, music, etc.

 

[Fuchsdh]

There was a quote from Ken Levine getting passed around Twitter the other day, where he rather clunkily talked about BioShock 1 & Infinite - and how it related to the plights of Jewish Americans.


Source

Essentially, it sounds like Levine is saying that the moral of BioShock Infinite is that oppression breeds oppression. But some questionable connections pop up once you think about the real world. Is he saying that in contemporary society, Jews (and in the case of Infinite, African-Americans) have taken on roles as oppressors?

I still love both games, but it's become clear over time that Levine's view on the subjects he wrote about may be a bit questionable.

Go ask the Palestinians if Jews have become oppressors, I think they might agree.

African-Americans really just haven't had the chance in America; there was never any large and successful slave uprising. The slaves in Haiti sure murdered every white person they could get their hands on, though.

The Fitzroy thing bothers me because they totally dropped the ball. Levine crafted BioShock Infinite, in that respect, exactly as he intended; Fitzroy was a populist leader who succumbed to bloodlust, and her people followed her example. It's not some regressive fantasy, or I should say isn't *just* a regressive fantasy—it happens. All the time in human history.

Generally a lot of the critiques of BioShock Infinite and Fitzroy start segueing into the criticism and premise (that I find ludicrous) that racism has to be your central theme if you do a story involving racism. And in Infinite's case, it really isn't. It takes place in a racist time, in a setting where that racism has been codified in ways that are beyond the pale even for the ugly reality of the time (though not by much...) But it's ultimately a story about personal regret, redemption, and the nature of man with a multiverse sci-fi twist. Racism is a catalyst for events, but it's a secondary story that, like many in the franchise, can be ignored if the player just wants to shoot at stuff, but can be plumbed if they want to explore.

And then comes the backlash, and they backpedal hard, to the point where they sabotage Fitzroy's character in an attempt to appease people. "Oh, she wasn't bloodthirsty! She was being manipulated in an incredibly contrived manner to push some character development!" This in turn again impacts and sabotages other characters (the Leuteces). Burial at Sea is simply the worst bit of fiction in the whole of the BioShock trilogy, as it rewrites canon, trashes characters and changes their motivations, and, in a pretty spectacular manner, repudiates the themes of both the original game and Infinite.

(the one piece of critical commentary related to Infinite I do think is relevant is how it's a shooter talking about violence, and how the first-person executions seem diametrically opposed with the story being told, but that's a whole 'nother ballgame.)

Giving money to someone = ignoring that someone? lol.

When you buy a movie ticket, chances are you aren't actually directly giving money to Bruce Willis; unless you have a hell of a contract that awards points on gross, they've already been paid. At best you're trying to sabotage future earnings.

This kind of fuzzy math is always an issue when we talk about support, and I don't think there's a right answer. Until the rise of Patreon and the like, the tacit contract was that you were supporting the art, not the artists (unless you were a Medici or the like.) You can play moral high ground and refuse to give money to Card, or you can enjoy his books while repudiating his personal beliefs. Either option is valid and I don't think someone should be flamed for thinking of that.

With media where the person and/or their heirs are dead, though, I don't see any reason to have qualms. I will love Wagner till the day I die, and I don't care that he was anti-semitic, 'cause everyone knows it and he's dead.

 

[Alienfan]

Jesus christ, Ken. Not all activists or survivors end up turning into terrorists or dictators.

Eh I think you're taking his point to the extreme, what he's saying isn't wrong at all. Just because someone knows oppression doesn't make them incapable of oppressing others. We see this play out in real life all the time, anti-immigration, gay communities rejecting bisexual people, feminism rejecting transgender members... humans all suck.

 

[system11]

Frankly I don't give a damn unless it compromises the game in some way.

 

[Alienfan]

I actually had to think about this for a while. After about ten minutes I arrived at the conclusion that game developers tend to be less controversial than most artists in other entertainment mediums. Obviously Custers Revenge is filth, and there are probably a handful of games almost as bad. But the amount of problematic games and their makers seems rarer compared to other forms of entertainment. I can't think of hardly any D.W Griffiths, Victor Salvas, Chris Browns, Mel Gibsons, Phil Spectors, etc in the game industry. At least none that come to mind. Maybe it is because the video games are the most recent entertainment industry, and/or the public spotlight isn't as focused on game developers for the most part, but in general there seems to be less of a pattern of ethical problems among game creators than in film, music, etc.

Games have so much creative input from a bunch of different people and sometimes even studios, I think it's hard to put a spotlight on a single person (unless an indie game); plus until recently you usually wouldn't even see a developer voice their opinions outside of maybe a PlayStation demo disk. I think with the direction we're seeing games move, centralising PR around one creative and social media being utilised, more of these controversial topics we're used to seeing in other creative mediums will seep through.

 

[Correctomundo]

Something something tendency in press to attribute creation to a single person something something.

I'm deeply saddened to learn about TenNapel. Like, brutally crushed. The Neverhood and Skullmonkeys have always been some of my most championed games, but at the same time, I can't let it affect both the fact of the games' excellence and the fact that other people put time and effort into them, and their artistic input shouldn't be reduced to the level of the individual that has views I disagree with.

So people hate Gearbox - and often solely because of Pitchford's character. What about those guys who aren't enormous jackwagons? Their effort deserves financial punishment via association? Sorry, I just can't do it. I'm paying for the product, not for any other reason.

At the end of the day, I'll buy the games I'm interested in and avoid the ones I'm not. And when I buy Armikrog (and I will eventually), it'll be because a group of people put effort into creating something I wish to experience, and not because TenNapel is a homophobic dickhole and I wish to contribute to the vilification of a segment of the population I sympathize with.

Nomura prefers cats over dogs.

So he has a single redeeming factor now. What's the problem?

 

[HYDE]

This isn't bannable, you should just really be personally embarrassed of yourself that this is a thing that you thought, and then that you didn't immediately go "wow that was silly, I should maybe be able to tolerate one gay relationship in a game once," and then that you thought this foolish position was something it was useful and worthwhile to share with other people instead of keeping it to yourself.

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Why would sharing an honest opinion be bannable? I have to listen to people's offensive opinions on Christianity and Jesus Christ all day long in NeoGAF threads and they get the pass!? Talk about double standards...The thread's question is when has an individual's politics gotten in the way of my enjoyment of a game...well there it is.
NeoGAF needs to be more neutral to both sides, quit threatening bans all the time and try to create an atmosphere where people enjoy to post. Heck people probably alter their opinions half the time, just cause they're scared to get banned, good grief that's shameful in and of itself.
Why should I be ashamed to share my opinion on that matter, it's obviously a current issue as is race. Quit trying to force me to be tolerant of something I feel is totally polarizing, or hush me up because my views don't align with yours.
Never once did I say I had to endure it, or these people are gross. Simply that it took away from my enjoyment.
For me personally the Far Behind DLC (which I did complete, as well as the full game twice), was ruined because of a political decision made by the developers.

EDIT: Maybe religion and politics talk should be bannable too.

 

[Fuchsdh]

Also, to add to the Levine thing, you cut out stuff that pretty directly repudiated your stance, and answers some questions people (Bronx) had:

Maybe people wanted me to write about a hero who rose above that. Elizabeth is the character I invented who does sacrifice herself to break the cycle. But I think most people are destroyed by oppression. I could tell a fairy tale about people who are ennobled by it. But in my experience, as a student of history, that's rare.

If you pretend there are a lot of happy endings for those stories, in some ways it elevates the oppression to something it's not.

People also know or suspect that you're a liberal.
I'm not in this to make people feel good about their political beliefs. If anything, I'm there to mostly challenge my own beliefs. The reason Andrew Ryan is a better character than Comstock is I understood the appeal of Andrew Ryan. I don't get the appeal of the Donald Trumps of the world. I don't fear the things he fears.

I understood Ryan better. He was a bourgeois Jew during the Bolshevik Revolution. The Bolsheviks came and destroyed his family, destroyed everything in his life. That maps Ayn Rand. She's a refugee who came to America because her family was destroyed by the Bolsheviks. It's not really super surprising she became the person she did. Spider-Man was made by Uncle Ben being shot. Ayn Rand was made by her family being destroyed by the Bolsheviks.

I hope if anyone takes anything away from BioShock, it's about how oppression just goes on and on and on, and how ideology can get very muddy once the real world mixes with it.

 

[GamerJM]

I don't think I've played any. For me, the creator's bad politics "ruin," (or at least harm) a piece of media if the politics actually seep into the product and make it obvious that the game was developed by a racist/homophobe/sexist/etc. The case in the OP is a perfect example of one that doesn't. Yeah, Sugiyama's denial of Japanese war crimes is really shitty. But does the music in the Dragon Quest games itself have any connection to that belief? While I wouldn't be surprised if there's some convoluted way to draw the connection between the compositions themselves and that belief through really deep musical theory analysis, I'm gonna go ahead and say that the answer is no. Because of this I find it pretty easy to put out of my mind.

Most of the games I play are developed by people who aren't really outspoken about politics in the first place though. Like, with this whole Levine thing, I haven't played Bioshock so I dunno.

 

[petethepanda]

I don't have any examples of games where my enjoyment of them has been affected by the creator's politics or real-world actions. I've been kind of torn on having enjoyed some Roman Polanski movies, for example, but I haven't been aware of any games where the (primarily credited) creators have colored the game for me in a similar manner. I haven't played DQ, though, and looking at the guy's views, I can definitely understand feeling distracted by them.

 

[Garrett Hawke]

Besides the obvious stuff like homophobia, people who support gamergate like adrian chmielarz aren't people I'm going support.

same. i haven't bought nor never will buy ethan carter because of him

 

[Deleted member 465307]

As a gay woman, comments like these are profoundly disappointing. My existence is not a political statement. Why must characters who are like me be a political statement?

+1 (minus the woman part)

I'm a bit confused why gay behaviors are being discussed in this thread. I don't understand how being gay is political. Having or not having certain rights granted by political bodies is indeed political and a political question raised in our era! But the existence of gay people is not political unless the political question one is raising is "Should the government do something about the existence of gay people?" A gay kiss is not political. When two men or women kiss each other on an average day, the only thing they are trying to say is "I love you," directed at the person they're kissing.

I suppose I can understand someone making the claim that what people choose to put in their art, with the knowledge that it will be witnessed, is a message that some people then interpret as a political argument as a part of a social agenda. However, personally, I know that I don't create art to make an argument or to try to convince my audience of anything. I just want to share an experience. If I wanted to make a video game that featured a close group of friends who are all gay, I'd be fine with someone saying, "You know, I enjoy video games for fictional romances and pining that I can relate to, so I don't think this game is for me." But I'd be disheartened if someone said my choice to depict a real, lived experience was political.

As for the question in the OP: I don't think it's really impacted my enjoyment of any games too much. Strong political statements of any form in any direction make me uncomfortable, but I don't find I encounter them very often in the games I play. I also typically don't know enough about video game creators to be aware of their political opinions and faced with the question of how to separate the two. In the few cases where I have been made aware of certain political leanings, I admit that I've felt surprisingly conflicted at times. But that's really only in the most extreme cases.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

Why would sharing an honest opinion be bannable?

EDIT: Maybe religion and politics talk should be bannable too.

The first fucking thing he said is it isn't bannable

 

[Foffy]

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Why would sharing an honest opinion be bannable? I have to listen to people's offensive opinions on Christianity and Jesus Christ all day long in NeoGAF threads and they get the pass!? Talk about double standards...The thread's question is when has an individual's politics gotten in the way of my enjoyment of a game...well there it is.
NeoGAF needs to be more neutral to both sides, quit threatening bans all the time and try to create an atmosphere where people enjoy to post. Heck people probably alter their opinions half the time, just cause they're scared to get banned, good grief that's shameful in and of itself.
Why should I be ashamed to share my opinion on that matter, it's obviously a current issue as is race. Quit trying to force me to be tolerant of something I feel is totally polarizing, or hush me up because my views don't align with yours.
Never once did I say I had to endure it, or these people are gross. Simply that it took away from my enjoyment.
For me personally the Far Behind DLC (which I did complete, as well as the full game twice), was ruined because of a political decision made by the developers.

EDIT: Maybe religion and politics talk should be bannable too.

Is your egoic identification with Christianity why you would be averse to gay expression in video games?

I am being sincere in asking this.

 

[Enter the Dragon Punch]

fez

i will not choke on it you hack

also he seems all around like a genuine ass

 

[Krejlooc]

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Why would sharing an honest opinion be bannable? I have to listen to people's offensive opinions on Christianity and Jesus Christ all day long in NeoGAF threads and they get the pass!? Talk about double standards...The thread's question is when has an individual's politics gotten in the way of my enjoyment of a game...well there it is.
NeoGAF needs to be more neutral to both sides, quit threatening bans all the time and try to create an atmosphere where people enjoy to post. Heck people probably alter their opinions half the time, just cause they're scared to get banned, good grief that's shameful in and of itself.
Why should I be ashamed to share my opinion on that matter, it's obviously a current issue as is race. Quit trying to force me to be tolerant of something I feel is totally polarizing, or hush me up because my views don't align with yours.
Never once did I say I had to endure it, or these people are gross. Simply that it took away from my enjoyment.
For me personally the Far Behind DLC (which I did complete, as well as the full game twice), was ruined because of a political decision made by the developers.

EDIT: Maybe religion and politics talk should be bannable too.

The people who trash organized religion usually do so not because of a repulsion towards another person's beliefs or personal opinions, but rather because organized religion is often used as a shield for bigoted opinions. Nobody honestly cares if you believe in Jesus Christ until it's used as a justification to impose will over marginalized groups.

When people find Christianity objectionable, it is because people are using christianity as a weapon. Whereas homosexual relationships in a video game don't attack me as a straight male at all.

Your post is all sorts of jacked up if you feel like you're in a marginalized group.

 

[Sword Of Doom]

fez

i will not choke on it you hack

also he seems all around like a genuine ass

It's a beautiful game though. Who cares if he's an ass?

As a gay woman, comments like these are profoundly disappointing. My existence is not a political statement. Why must characters who are like me be a political statement?

I think the people who see it as "political" probably think there is some kind of an agenda behind it

 

[oneils]

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Why would sharing an honest opinion be bannable? I have to listen to people's offensive opinions on Christianity and Jesus Christ all day long in NeoGAF threads and they get the pass!? Talk about double standards...The thread's question is when has an individual's politics gotten in the way of my enjoyment of a game...well there it is.
NeoGAF needs to be more neutral to both sides, quit threatening bans all the time and try to create an atmosphere where people enjoy to post. Heck people probably alter their opinions half the time, just cause they're scared to get banned, good grief that's shameful in and of itself.
Why should I be ashamed to share my opinion on that matter, it's obviously a current issue as is race. Quit trying to force me to be tolerant of something I feel is totally polarizing, or hush me up because my views don't align with yours.
Never once did I say I had to endure it, or these people are gross. Simply that it took away from my enjoyment.
For me personally the Far Behind DLC (which I did complete, as well as the full game twice), was ruined because of a political decision made by the developers.

EDIT: Maybe religion and politics talk should be bannable too.

How is the existence of gay people political?

 

[HYDE]

Is your egoic identification with Christianity why you would be averse to gay expression in video games?

I am being sincere in asking this.

No, homosexuality is sincerely an uncomfortable thing to me for personal reasons. And I never said I was Christian, only that I don't understand why it's okay to be sac religious toward religions. I just used Jesus Christ as an example.

 

[Salarians]

No, homosexuality is sincerely an uncomfortable thing to me for personal reasons.

🤔🤔🤔

 

[Necromanti]

No, homosexuality is sincerely an uncomfortable thing to me for personal reasons. And I never said I was Christian, only that I don't understand why it's okay to be sac religious toward religions. I just used Jesus Christ as an example.

You won't get judged if you love Jesus, dude. There's nothing gay about that.

 

[HYDE]

How is the existence of gay people political?

It's not, the choice to include things or to not include things is political, and it's also okay either way you choose. Just be aware you may isolate certain people with certain decisions.

I will not elaborate further on my opinion, because I can't possibly address every concern. Thanks for being sincere and civil...no need for F bombs or unkind words like some others have already posted.

 

[Kinsei]

No, homosexuality is sincerely an uncomfortable thing to me for personal reasons. And I never said I was Christian, only that I don't understand why it's okay to be sac religious toward religions. I just used Jesus Christ as an example.

You don't understand the difference between criticizing something that a person chooses to believe (religion) and hating someone for what they are?

 

[Sibylus]

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Why would sharing an honest opinion be bannable? I have to listen to people's offensive opinions on Christianity and Jesus Christ all day long in NeoGAF threads and they get the pass!? Talk about double standards...The thread's question is when has an individual's politics gotten in the way of my enjoyment of a game...well there it is.
NeoGAF needs to be more neutral to both sides, quit threatening bans all the time and try to create an atmosphere where people enjoy to post. Heck people probably alter their opinions half the time, just cause they're scared to get banned, good grief that's shameful in and of itself.
Why should I be ashamed to share my opinion on that matter, it's obviously a current issue as is race. Quit trying to force me to be tolerant of something I feel is totally polarizing, or hush me up because my views don't align with yours.
Never once did I say I had to endure it, or these people are gross. Simply that it took away from my enjoyment.
For me personally the Far Behind DLC (which I did complete, as well as the full game twice), was ruined because of a political decision made by the developers.

EDIT: Maybe religion and politics talk should be bannable too.

Still lacking a justification for why inclusion of gay characters is necessarily political, HYDE. It's kind of an important point.

 

[Orayn]

It's not, the choice to include things or to not include things is political, and it's also okay either way you choose. Just be aware you may isolate certain people with certain decisions.

I will not elaborate further on my opinion, because I can't possibly address every concern. Thanks for being sincere and civil...no need for F bombs or unkind words like some others have already posted.

So to be consistent, you would consider it political to show characters in a heterosexual relationship too, right?

 

[23qwerty]

It's not, the choice to include things or to not include things is political, and it's also okay either way you choose. Just be aware you may isolate certain people with certain decisions.

I will not elaborate further on my opinion, because I can't possibly address every concern. Thanks for being sincere and civil...no need for F bombs or unkind words like some others have already posted.

is including hetero relationships political?

 

[NobleGundam]

Halo 4

 

[Foffy]

No, homosexuality is sincerely an uncomfortable thing to me for personal reasons. And I never said I was Christian, only that I don't understand why it's okay to be sac religious toward religions. I just used Jesus Christ as an example.

What? Why? Being gay is an innate happening for people. Did one experience with a gay person "taint" all of them? That's a weird thing to be uncomfortable by...

As for religion, it shouldn't have to be explained why it gets shit. It promotes anti-intellectualism by often rejecting inquiry and skepticism for absolutism, while holding views that are demonstrably untrue of the cosmos. These don't even have to be specific beliefs of a specific religion, for their progenitor claims as also unfounded, like with any monotheistic view that argues dualistic souls exist. That idea alone probably causes more harm than the religion itself, for it's the ground zero of a lot of bad thinking.

People here try and call out myths. If one is offended by it, they should try to step outside of their bubble and see if what's being prodded is unaccountable of itself. Nothing is, or should be, considered sacred.

 

[HYDE]

So to be consistent, you would consider it political to show characters in a heterosexual relationship too, right?

Exactly.

 

[Correctomundo]

Exactly.

Brace yourself.

 

[Torokil]

I've learned long ago to eat the meat and spit out the bones.

The political "messages" in Bioshock kind of annoyed me as the series went on though, but I attribute that to the decreasing quality of the games I guess.

 

[HYDE]

Still lacking a justification for why inclusion of gay characters is necessarily political, HYDE. It's kind of an important point.

Two posts above you.

I will leave now, but don't ask for opinions in threads if you're scared or you could be potentially upset by the responses received.

 

[televator]

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Why would sharing an honest opinion be bannable? I have to listen to people's offensive opinions on Christianity and Jesus Christ all day long in NeoGAF threads and they get the pass!? Talk about double standards...The thread's question is when has an individual's politics gotten in the way of my enjoyment of a game...well there it is.
NeoGAF needs to be more neutral to both sides, quit threatening bans all the time and try to create an atmosphere where people enjoy to post. Heck people probably alter their opinions half the time, just cause they're scared to get banned, good grief that's shameful in and of itself.
Why should I be ashamed to share my opinion on that matter, it's obviously a current issue as is race. Quit trying to force me to be tolerant of something I feel is totally polarizing, or hush me up because my views don't align with yours.
Never once did I say I had to endure it, or these people are gross. Simply that it took away from my enjoyment.
For me personally the Far Behind DLC (which I did complete, as well as the full game twice), was ruined because of a political decision made by the developers.

EDIT: Maybe religion and politics talk should be bannable too.

Political decision? To include gay characters in a grounded pseudo realistic world, based on our real world where gay people also exist? Accepting that other types of people exist = bad political move. lol

How about the goddamn child molesting leader of a cannibal group in the game? Did you miss that?

 

[Easy_D]

No, homosexuality is sincerely an uncomfortable thing to me for personal reasons. And I never said I was Christian, only that I don't understand why it's okay to be sac religious toward religions. I just used Jesus Christ as an example.

I generally don't often see people who don't identify as Christian refer to Jesus as "Jesus Christ" in full. You shouldn't be ashamed to be a Christian, really, that's all fine and dandy. Buuuut it might be worth asking yourself why you find homosexuality uncomfortable and see if that reason really does apply to any and all gay people (and I'm 99.999% sure it doesn't, whatever your reason may be)

 

[Alienfan]

No, homosexuality is sincerely an uncomfortable thing to me for personal reasons. And I never said I was Christian, only that I don't understand why it's okay to be sac religious toward religions. I just used Jesus Christ as an example.

Because there's plenty to criticise with religion verse something that's an innate part of a person's biological make up. The fact all Christians cherry pick teachings from the bible that suit a modern worldview or their own personal agenda,means that there is going to be a shit ton of criticisms and opposing views, people for instance ignoring the subtle nuances,the malleability of languages and historical context these stories were written in and the audience they were for. Much of the bible's teachings just don't work with 21st century views, our knowledge of the world has extended beyond just stories - and people using these stories as weapons to belittle minorites are walking double standards, because the amount of hypocrisy, and mental gymnastics someone would actually have to do in order to not be considered a sinner themselves are pretty much impossible in today's environment. The bible as a rhetoric just doesn't work

 

[Lime]

That white supremacist Gamergater who's making Kingdom Come. I don't see how people could play that game knowing that a bigot like him is directing it.

The dude who made LA Noire. McNamara something. Him and his devil leadership abused,overworked and exploited the people making LA noire.

The guy behind Vanishing of Ethan Carter because he's a Gamergate apologist.

Nintendo with their LGBT policies and throwing Alison Rapp under the bus because theyre spineless company bowing down to bigots.

 

[30yearsofhurt]

Just wondering how people feel about HP Lovecraft?

 

[QisTopTier]

None for me.

 

[Morrigan Stark]

I sold my copies of Eternal Darkness and Soul Reaver after Dyack's gator bait comments.

That's your prerogative, but I find it rather bizarre. The money you gave the creators for buying these products isn't going to be taken away from them if you sell the games, and moreover, Dyack didn't even work on Soul Reaver...

So he has a single redeeming factor now. What's the problem?

Hehehe

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

Just wondering how people feel about HP Lovecraft?

He made a game?

Seriously though, he's dead. A living racist actively making games would bother me but a dead guy who's stuff I can read for free easily, not so much

 

[Squire]

There was a quote from Ken Levine getting passed around Twitter the other day, where he rather clunkily talked about BioShock 1 & Infinite - and how it related to the plights of Jewish Americans.


Source

Essentially, it sounds like Levine is saying that the moral of BioShock Infinite is that oppression breeds oppression. But some questionable connections pop up once you think about the real world. Is he saying that in contemporary society, Jews (and in the case of Infinite, African-Americans) have taken on roles as oppressors?

I still love both games, but it's become clear over time that Levine's view on the subjects he wrote about may be a bit questionable.

Once you follow his logic and place Fitzroy in the same mental space where you keep MLK, Harriet Tubman, Nat Turner, hell even Makcom X, it falls apart entirely. It's nonsense.

 

[HYDE]

How about the goddamn child molesting leader of a cannibal group in the game? Did you miss that?

This is the last one I'll answer...

It is different to put me in a world where those people exist(exactly like the world we live in); however, to put me into the shoes of those people that do things that offend me and have me act out the types of things that they do is what's upsetting.

For example, there were supposed rapists in Tomb Raider, but did they put you into the shoes of that person and have you commit rape?

 

[Sibylus]

It's not, the choice to include things or to not include things is political, and it's also okay either way you choose. Just be aware you may isolate certain people with certain decisions.

I will not elaborate further on my opinion, because I can't possibly address every concern. Thanks for being sincere and civil...no need for F bombs or unkind words like some others have already posted.

Exactly.

Two posts above you.

I will leave now, but don't ask for opinions in threads if you're scared or you could be potentially upset by the responses received.

So your argument is in the vein of "every artistic choice is political". I don't agree with that. Politics require a message (be it "yes to same-sex marriage", "save the whales", or "label all GMO food" and so on).

I don't think making a choice that a character is straight or gay need involve political aims anywhere in the process. It doesn't qualify in my eyes unless the creators specifically aimed to make those choices in service to a political statement.

By way of example: If Ellie turns to the camera and says, "You know, we really are the last of a consumerist culture," boom, there's an artistic choice in service of a political statement.