There is no convincing (some) Clinton supporters either. Generally it's hard to convince people to change their political stance.
People: Voting is a sacred duty.
Other People: I know, right? I'm voting for this guy.
People: Nuh uh, vote for who I'm voting for, because reason a) and reason b) etc.
Other People: No. Because reason a), reason b) etc
There is no convincing (some) Clinton supporters either. Generally it's hard to convince people to change their political stance.
By contrast, I suspect much of Trump's support were with him from the moment he started.
Why you think you're right, even if you're wrong.
Essentially, there are way more soldiers than scouts.
Yes, isn't this more or less (with the small additions I added) how public discourse in a civil society in a democracy, or on a discussion forum, is supposed to work?
If you're upset that your position is being met with counter arguments on a discussion forum you're probably not in the right place.
I don't think people imagined democracy would work via people setting up bait threads to attack people "stupid enough" to vote differently to them.
Fixed. Both sides though.People: Voting is a sacred duty.
Other People: I know, right? I'm voting for this guy who could become the next Hitler.
People: Nuh uh, vote for who I'm voting for.
Other People: No.
Lots and lots of Clinton supporters are supporting her by default, now. Plenty of people, myself included, wanted other candidates to win the nomination. It's not true to say that Clinton supporters are die hards who wanted her from day 1, as though their political positions have been set in stone.
By contrast, I suspect much of Trump's support were with him from the moment he started.
Political debate is fine. This is less that and more "voting for Trump? You're an idiot." Which isn't a debate, it's a declarative systems, a blog post, a troll tactic. And adds to the many Trump threads, which at this point dominate OP.
The guys an absolute idiot, but it's really getting to overkill levels at this point.
I'm a moderate Republican (I'm probably becoming a moderate independent at this point if Drumpf is the future of the party) who will not be voting for Drumpf. I was going to vote Johnson, but he's so crazy at that it's either Hillary or abstaining the Presidential race and voting in my local elections.
In any case, I live in a red state and know tons of Drumpf supporters. I've had in depth conversations over why I won't support him (and I've lost a friend over it sadly enough), so I'll give my thoughts on why many people support him.
Only a handful of people I know are the crazy committed ones that most of you think of regarding his support. You know the ones that want to kick out all the Mexicans and Muslims and so on. Not every Drumpf supporter, or even anywhere close to a majority, falls into this camp as many seem to believe.
Otherwise, most of his supporters I know are lukewarm towards him at best. Many even openly despise or dislike him. Still, it seems like one of the four main reasons below are why these people are holding their nose and voting for Drumpf despite his negativity.
1.) People who only care about the R or D
2.) Supreme Court - There is lots of fear of the court being stacked heavily to the left for decades. Obviously most here want that, but for those who aren't happy with the prospect of a heavily liberal court are willing to vote for him no matter what. This especially holds true out of fear that a heavily left wing court will significantly change how the 2nd admendmenf is interpreted. Again I know that would be a reason for why many here would vote for Hillary.
3.) NeverHillary - This is the biggest one in my opinion. Many Drumpf supporters are on board to prevent a Hillary presidency. In some cases it's just pure policy/ideology. In most cases it's about her honesty, character and rumblings of corruption issues. We all know Drumpf has the same issues, but the pushback I get when I say this is "Hillary has abused her power and lied in positions of power in the government". It seems like the general view is Hillary is above the law, so they will vote for Drumpf no matter what to keep her out.
4.) Immigration - Amazingly enough, the few I know who support him for this aren't even in favor of walls or mass deportations despite those issues being a key part of the campaign. These folks feel that Drumpf is a better choice vs Hillary who many see as a pure open borders candidate.
Again these are reasons why I feel people are supporting Drumpf despite his antics and offensive/racist language based on friends and family who I've talked to (in most cases my attempt to talk them out of it) regarding why they support Drumpf. I'm not your typically GAF poster in terms of politics so I figured I'd give you a little bit of a different viewpoint.
Remember, I'm not voting for him so I don't necessarily believe with the points above.
There is no convincing (some) Clinton supporters either. Generally it's hard to convince people to change their political stance.
Okay, but to all Hillary voters: think about what you would need to change your mind and not vote for her this election. We all have predetermined views of "our" candidate versus the other, views that aren't going to be changed throughout a single conversation.
The fact-free political tribalism is at an all time high this election, and this time, its infected the democrats as well.
FWIW, I'm squarely in the Hillary camp. But I also think it's important to at least try to think outside of the tribalist bubble.
In this case for example, what could that guy possibly have been able to say about Hillary for you to vote for Drumpf? Probably nothing. So you can't expect him to feel differently.
I have had my criticisms of Hillary and the Democrats for quite some time. But they align closet to my views. And I'm not going to throw my vote away on something that doesn't win/doesn't change minds anyway. Not to mention the current 3rd parties in America don't align with my views either.
On top of that with the SC on the line, nothing would ever change my view on this matter. My very life depends on preventing Republicans from gaining controlling of the SC. I would never vote R. In this or frankly speaking any other race. They're way too far-right wing.
Some of them claim that Trump just says "mean things", but Clinton is worse because she "has blood" on her hands for Benghazi, and has "escaped justice" for the emails. She's a murderer, a criminal, a liar, a thief, who has gotten away with everything because she's a Clinton. It's funny, she has got to be the greatest criminal mastermind to ever exist, getting away with all of that.
So there is no convincing some of those people. Anything negative about Clinton? Post it on Facebook and show people how bad she is. Negative problem with Trump? Don't post a thing, or compare with what Clinton has "done", and notice how worse it apparently is on her side. It's sad to see, many of these are people my age.
Voting for Trump because you've voted "R" your entire life is more excuse-worthy than voting for Trump because "Clinton is a criminal who has gotten away with everything, and must be stopped". Voting for Trump because "I wanna see a shake-up in the system" clearly shows the lack of thought, considering how Trump is the most unqualified candidate running the highest office in the country. Voting for Trump because they want a conservative justice clearly shows the more selfish side of the American people, they clearly don't seem to care about the freedom of others, as long as they're okay.
Well that's sort of how I feel too. But some people feel differently, and won't be swayed by the same arguments as us.
People are different. But judging from a lot of GAF threads, anyone leaning conservative is a racist monster seeking to destroy anyone who doesn't look like them.
But we have people like Hillary, Obama, Bush, Ted and Marco. These people are always pointing fingers at each other like their shit doesn't stink. Hillary with her totalitarian like qualities and her aggressive military mindset. Obama and his fun skirmishes with drones in the name of peace. Don't even get me started on Bush and his war crimes. Ted, the person who thinks he's god's gift to mankind and Marco, who doesn't think much of anything despite the responsibilities on his shoulders. How many innocent families did these people kill in the name of "peace" and "religion"?
Throw in a racist and a bigot, everyone starts losing their minds. This is what happens when years of corruption and public dissatisfaction go unchecked. You have someone like Trump that rises above the festering anger. There a reason why he's doing as well as he is. I'll vote for Hillary for the sake of the supreme court, but the whole system and even the country needs a rude awakening. And if that ends up being Trump, so be it.
"Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience."
This is why trump has it in the bag. There isn't going to be recorded minority turnout. I'm shocked at the number of black people that hate her and are voting third.
Unless the Latino community saves us, the black community isn't going to show. For understandable reasons. But letting the Republicans take the supreme court is really going to hurt for generations.
You've got a literal party of hate, endorsed by the American kkk party with a plan of building walls and profiling people like israel.
And it's a close election. Americans deserve what's going to happen.
"Why are you voting clinton? Why won't you vote for white supremacy?"There is no convincing (some) Clinton supporters either. Generally it's hard to convince people to change their political stance.
I fully believe that once again black women will be the savior our country doesn't deserve.
"Why are you voting clinton? Why won't you vote for white supremacy?"
Yeah totally the same thing.
In this case for example, what could that guy possibly have been able to say about Hillary for you to vote for Trump? Probably nothing. So you can't expect him to go into the conversation with a much more open mind.
I fully believe that once again black women will be the savior our country doesn't deserve.
That's a nice euphemism for being a racist and a bigot.But some people feel differently
That's a nice euphemism for being a racist and a bigot.
This whole notion that all political opinions and ideas should be treated as equally valid needs to die out already. There's a reason the KKK is shunned.
Well, I'm black, so there is nothing that can convince me to vote for Trump.
Lol what?That makes no sense. If you're black it's impossible to vote for Trump? What about the guy in the OP?
Obviously your skin color isn't the reason for your political leanings. That's a pretty racist implication.
Like her?
Lol what?
Trump is running on a racist platform, who's supporters are often feverishly racist themselves. The same group that is all aboard #AllLivesMatter. No, it really doesn't make sense for a black person to be voting Trump.
Trump is openly racist as opposed to some Republican candidates in the past who were passive about it. This is very different.Republicans have been voting against their interests for decades. But a black person can't be convinced to vote for Trump? (apparently some of them can)
What an odd response to what he said..odd..
An incredibly large majority will vote for Hillary.My point is that not all black women (such as the woman in the video) will support Hillary, especially when she's vocalized her hatred for black people in the past.
My point is that not all black women (such as the woman in the video) will support Hillary, especially when she's vocalized her hatred for black people in the past.