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There is no convincing (some) Trump supporters
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the-pi-guy
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-a lot of people will probably vote Trump just because they've always voted R. They have an attachment to that identity that overpowers their beliefs even. They might even hate the guy, but feel like voting R is just something they have to do. Not voting based on fact, moreso habit and their emotional connection to that habit.
-I mentioned this in another thread, but it's like Republicans seem to have their own parallel existence. It's bizarre, anything that doesn't conform to their world view is leftist media lies. They are for example, convinced that Hillary is seriously sick (dying even), Hillary has been involved in like 50 murders (there are a lot memes about it. Like Bambi's mother said she had evidence that would lead to Hillary's arrest. The top comment on the page will say something like 'shot 5 times in the back, police are calling it a suicide'.), convinced that Hitler was a liberal socialist (that's why socialism and liberalism are the greatest evils in our world.), convinced that Obama is a Muslim terrorist (I literally have an aunt who posts photos about this all the time.),
It's all crazy conspiracies, racism conspiracy, distrust of people.
There's also a scary number of people who have "let it burn" attitudes.
-I mentioned this in another thread, but it's like Republicans seem to have their own parallel existence. It's bizarre, anything that doesn't conform to their world view is leftist media lies. They are for example, convinced that Hillary is seriously sick (dying even), Hillary has been involved in like 50 murders (there are a lot memes about it. Like Bambi's mother said she had evidence that would lead to Hillary's arrest. The top comment on the page will say something like 'shot 5 times in the back, police are calling it a suicide'.), convinced that Hitler was a liberal socialist (that's why socialism and liberalism are the greatest evils in our world.), convinced that Obama is a Muslim terrorist (I literally have an aunt who posts photos about this all the time.),
It's all crazy conspiracies, racism conspiracy, distrust of people.
There's also a scary number of people who have "let it burn" attitudes.
Nah, just smack him. He's a friend right? Smack him with a collection of printed out Shit Trump has touted through the years. Maybe then he'll understand something.
Best friend eh, then you can definitely smack him.
That first part I don't get. Then again we didn't use to have a two part system here in Sweden. Now we have a collection of the right, left and their respective ilk in each fringe. So yeah.. Maybe I get it since it'll end up being the biggest party in each wing that decides the most.
Let it burn. Those people can literally go Fuck themselves. Find a big rock and smash their own heads in. Rising from the ashes my ass.
timetokill
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Well, it's not just Trump supporters. Unfortunately it seems to be human nature to dig in as opposed to changing one's mind.
Admiral Woofington
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That'd be pretty fucking drastic considering the Trump supporter is one of my best friends. We may differ in opinions on what he will and won't do if he won.
In fact if I started cutting just Republicans in general I'd be left with like no friends. Not to say every Republican I know is voting Trump. And like I said I'm all for low taxes.
Nah, he is one of them good ones. A good dumb ass.
BreezyLimbo
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I met a man wearing a Trump/Pence shirt yesterday.
It was weird. He told me to vote. It didn't matter who I was voting for, but just to vote.
I didn't know how to feel.
Atomic Playboy
Member
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter."
-Winston Churchill
Sorry you had to go through that OP. Although it is edifying to learn which of your friends is fucking batshit. It helps you avoid awkward conversations in the future, like, "hey, want to hang out?"
People been insane this election. I seen post where people had disowned family members because they are voting trump.
Admiral Woofington
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There's been some almost-drama that I've seen on FB when South American trump supporter friends posted a Trump video and there are comments like "please tell me you're not voting for trump"
Shit gets awkward.
Politics are like religion.
Imagine for a moment that you're foolish enough to try convincing a deeply religious friend or family member that several of their beliefs may be wrong. You will find yourself up against the same defense mechanisms, circular reasoning, and appeal to emotions and feelings as you will arguing with them about politics.
Occasionally people do change their minds, but I find more often than not they do it on their own... Rarely do I find anyone persuaded by argument when it comes to these matters. Typically they're looking for others to validate their beliefs, not challenge them.
Imagine for a moment that you're foolish enough to try convincing a deeply religious friend or family member that several of their beliefs may be wrong. You will find yourself up against the same defense mechanisms, circular reasoning, and appeal to emotions and feelings as you will arguing with them about politics.
Occasionally people do change their minds, but I find more often than not they do it on their own... Rarely do I find anyone persuaded by argument when it comes to these matters. Typically they're looking for others to validate their beliefs, not challenge them.
wanderingprostheyltite
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Yeah I don't get this level of fanaticism regarding the election. You have to have a fairly shallow view of relationships to begin with to cut someone off like that unless they're actively parroting hate speech re: Trump's platform, and if you didn't already know that about your friends or fam that's a head scratcher.
it's that simple
I'm a moderate Republican (I'm probably becoming a moderate independent at this point if Trump is the future of the party) who will not be voting for Trump. I was going to vote Johnson, but he's so crazy at that it's either Hillary or abstaining the Presidential race and voting in my local elections.
In any case, I live in a red state and know tons of Trump supporters. I've had in depth conversations over why I won't support him (and I've lost a friend over it sadly enough), so I'll give my thoughts on why many people support him.
Only a handful of people I know are the crazy committed ones that most of you think of regarding his support. You know the ones that want to kick out all the Mexicans and Muslims and so on. Not every Trump supporter, or even anywhere close to a majority, falls into this camp as many seem to believe.
Otherwise, most of his supporters I know are lukewarm towards him at best. Many even openly despise or dislike him. Still, it seems like one of the four main reasons below are why these people are holding their nose and voting for Trump despite his negativity.
1.) People who only care about the R or D
2.) Supreme Court - There is lots of fear of the court being stacked heavily to the left for decades. Obviously most here want that, but for those who aren't happy with the prospect of a heavily liberal court are willing to vote for him no matter what. This especially holds true out of fear that a heavily left wing court will significantly change how the 2nd admendmenf is interpreted. Again I know that would be a reason for why many here would vote for Hillary.
3.) NeverHillary - This is the biggest one in my opinion. Many Trump supporters are on board to prevent a Hillary presidency. In some cases it's just pure policy/ideology. In most cases it's about her honesty, character and rumblings of corruption issues. We all know Trump has the same issues, but the pushback I get when I say this is "Hillary has abused her power and lied in positions of power in the government". It seems like the general view is Hillary is above the law, so they will vote for Trump no matter what to keep her out.
4.) Immigration - Amazingly enough, the few I know who support him for this aren't even in favor of walls or mass deportations despite those issues being a key part of the campaign. These folks feel that Trump is a better choice vs Hillary who many see as a pure open borders candidate.
Again these are reasons why I feel people are supporting Trump despite his antics and offensive/racist language based on friends and family who I've talked to (in most cases my attempt to talk them out of it) regarding why they support Trump. I'm not your typically GAF poster in terms of politics so I figured I'd give you a little bit of a different viewpoint.
Remember, I'm not voting for him so I don't necessarily believe with the points above.
In any case, I live in a red state and know tons of Trump supporters. I've had in depth conversations over why I won't support him (and I've lost a friend over it sadly enough), so I'll give my thoughts on why many people support him.
Only a handful of people I know are the crazy committed ones that most of you think of regarding his support. You know the ones that want to kick out all the Mexicans and Muslims and so on. Not every Trump supporter, or even anywhere close to a majority, falls into this camp as many seem to believe.
Otherwise, most of his supporters I know are lukewarm towards him at best. Many even openly despise or dislike him. Still, it seems like one of the four main reasons below are why these people are holding their nose and voting for Trump despite his negativity.
1.) People who only care about the R or D
2.) Supreme Court - There is lots of fear of the court being stacked heavily to the left for decades. Obviously most here want that, but for those who aren't happy with the prospect of a heavily liberal court are willing to vote for him no matter what. This especially holds true out of fear that a heavily left wing court will significantly change how the 2nd admendmenf is interpreted. Again I know that would be a reason for why many here would vote for Hillary.
3.) NeverHillary - This is the biggest one in my opinion. Many Trump supporters are on board to prevent a Hillary presidency. In some cases it's just pure policy/ideology. In most cases it's about her honesty, character and rumblings of corruption issues. We all know Trump has the same issues, but the pushback I get when I say this is "Hillary has abused her power and lied in positions of power in the government". It seems like the general view is Hillary is above the law, so they will vote for Trump no matter what to keep her out.
4.) Immigration - Amazingly enough, the few I know who support him for this aren't even in favor of walls or mass deportations despite those issues being a key part of the campaign. These folks feel that Trump is a better choice vs Hillary who many see as a pure open borders candidate.
Again these are reasons why I feel people are supporting Trump despite his antics and offensive/racist language based on friends and family who I've talked to (in most cases my attempt to talk them out of it) regarding why they support Trump. I'm not your typically GAF poster in terms of politics so I figured I'd give you a little bit of a different viewpoint.
Remember, I'm not voting for him so I don't necessarily believe with the points above.
Nope, you can't. And trust me, I've tried. My best friend of like 20 years is supporting Trump and I can't understand it. He was pro Obama and anti Republican back when Obamacare was being passed and he could see how obstructionist the Repugs were. I'm not sure what the frak happened for him to support Trump and be anti Democrat but it's disappointing and it has made me lose so much respect for him tbh. Is that bad on my part? I struggle with that.
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It really fucking works. Made my brother think about certain issues in different way, it makes people leave their point of view and try to think more. Essentially made him say on an issue he completely disagreed with me "wow, I can't believe more people don't think the way you do".
If you want to educate people, I really suggest this method.
Doesn't seem that insane to me. People that hate racism, and those that support it sounds like. People that have been victims of it themselves.
No I wouldn't stop talking to my parents or siblings or anything like that even though I would lose respect for them. But family on facebook that I see once a year at a reunion, maybe? Yeah don't need those people in my life.
I tried that yesterday. We were specifically talking about this Washington Post article ("The myth and the reality of Donald Trump’s business empire") and he just didn't care about that either. Four bankruptcies? Pfftttttt! It wasn't 10, right? So who cares!
And in regards to the taxes, he said, "I hope Trump NEVER releases them." And we circled back to that point when he kept claiming that Trump was so successful and that he has so much money, and I responded, "How do you know since he won't show you his taxes."
"I just believe him."
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edit: I don't think I brought up the charity thing though.
I would never choose to kick somebody out of my life purely based on politics. Yes, true alt-right wackos probably don't have anything in common with me, but otherwise, I've always found it sad to see people lose relationships over political choices. I had a "friend" stop talking to me earlier this summer for not supporting Trump, which blows my mind.
I just think back to the friends I've had over the years and I would have missed out on some great friendships if I cut people off for disagreeing with me.
I just think back to the friends I've had over the years and I would have missed out on some great friendships if I cut people off for disagreeing with me.
SlickShoesRUCrazy
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That's why I don't bother engaging anybody I know that is a trump supporter.
I just accept they are idiots and ignore them.
Idiot doesn't mean they are not intelligent or educated by the way.
I just accept they are idiots and ignore them.
Idiot doesn't mean they are not intelligent or educated by the way.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
I've said it before but pretty much every Trump fan I know has gone to "He says dumb things, but so what?" as their justification.
Pressed for examples of things he's said that weren't dumb they get really quiet.
Pressed for examples of things he's said that weren't dumb they get really quiet.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Sometimes you just have to let people go.
Takes time .not election then the next . Everyone is allowed their opinion but we can slowly shape it
HP_Wuvcraft
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That would be an incredibly dumb move.
I mean. Even if this was just a show (and I believe some of it actually is), to retract would be stupid for Trump. There's a difference between saying Hillary made the birther meme, and pissing off your crazy fucking fanbase.
Story of my life. No point so I just keep my mouth shut.
Winston Churchill never said that
Admiral Woofington
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EmpressInYellow
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After his bullshit "That was in the past" dismissal, I hope you turned around and dismissed every deflection about Clinton's actions he attempted with "Oh, but that was in the past."
This was exactly was i was going to post.
Those people are crucifying Clinton for lying and i dunno what else, but when it's about trump, suddenly it's all good because it was in the past?
Give me a fucking break
Genuinely think someone needs to make a task force once this whole thing is over once Hillary is in the white house to make sure we never get this close to a Hitler clone getting into office again. This is too close for comfort And makes me nervous that someone with the same prejudices could have the support to get in in the future.
HP_Wuvcraft
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The amount of "TRUMP WON" post-debate bullshit is gonna be insane.
that's not how a democracy works.
People only like democracy if their candidate wins. Otherwise, it's stupid.
You can't argue with blissful ignorance and stupidity, it's the ultimate cock block of reason and rationality.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFQhw3VVToQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFQhw3VVToQ
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Are you 13
Leithkorias
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When hillary says something insane she just "miss spoke." Tit for tat.
Edit: just saying you can easily find people on both sides that are willing to dismiss just about anything so long as it's from "their" candidate.
EmpressInYellow
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Yeah, it sure is weird how people criticize the ones voting for the white supremacist based on transparently vacuous arguments. Both sides!
madstarr12
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Some of them claim that Trump just says "mean things", but Clinton is worse because she "has blood" on her hands for Benghazi, and has "escaped justice" for the emails. She's a murderer, a criminal, a liar, a thief, who has gotten away with everything because she's a Clinton. It's funny, she has got to be the greatest criminal mastermind to ever exist, getting away with all of that.
So there is no convincing some of those people. Anything negative about Clinton? Post it on Facebook and show people how bad she is. Negative problem with Trump? Don't post a thing, or compare with what Clinton has "done", and notice how worse it apparently is on her side. It's sad to see, many of these are people my age.
Voting for Trump because you've voted "R" your entire life is more excuse-worthy than voting for Trump because "Clinton is a criminal who has gotten away with everything, and must be stopped". Voting for Trump because "I wanna see a shake-up in the system" clearly shows the lack of thought, considering how Trump is the most unqualified candidate running the highest office in the country. Voting for Trump because they want a conservative justice clearly shows the more selfish side of the American people, they clearly don't seem to care about the freedom of others, as long as they're okay.
So there is no convincing some of those people. Anything negative about Clinton? Post it on Facebook and show people how bad she is. Negative problem with Trump? Don't post a thing, or compare with what Clinton has "done", and notice how worse it apparently is on her side. It's sad to see, many of these are people my age.
Voting for Trump because you've voted "R" your entire life is more excuse-worthy than voting for Trump because "Clinton is a criminal who has gotten away with everything, and must be stopped". Voting for Trump because "I wanna see a shake-up in the system" clearly shows the lack of thought, considering how Trump is the most unqualified candidate running the highest office in the country. Voting for Trump because they want a conservative justice clearly shows the more selfish side of the American people, they clearly don't seem to care about the freedom of others, as long as they're okay.
voting is a huge duty of the people. But critiquing a candidate and those who vote for such a candidate is important too. Don't act like you don't know this!
SpinningBirdKick
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