balladofwindfishes
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What has she changed her opinion on that you disagree with or believe she only did to get votes?
The only one I can think of is TPP, and that's a pretty mild one.
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Why do you dislike Hilary Clinton?
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What has she changed her opinion on that you disagree with or believe she only did to get votes?
The only one I can think of is TPP, and that's a pretty mild one.
i am unagi
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I like her, but.... I asked this question on my Facebook and got this response:
" she told the families that the attack (Benghazi) was due to a video on Utube while at the same time she was sending emails to her daughter about the terrorist attack. While the soldiers were under fire requesting support she (the secretary of state)- was sleeping or unavailable. Do some real fact checking, she is a monster-I am not defending Trump, but she is the bigger of 2 evils"
" she told the families that the attack (Benghazi) was due to a video on Utube while at the same time she was sending emails to her daughter about the terrorist attack. While the soldiers were under fire requesting support she (the secretary of state)- was sleeping or unavailable. Do some real fact checking, she is a monster-I am not defending Trump, but she is the bigger of 2 evils"
bobbychalkers
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Beghazi email servers
brochiller
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Her close ties to Wall Street are what gets me most. Still voting for her though.
DragonSworne
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If she has skeletons then please explain why she has been investigated and interrogated more than any known politician and nothing of substance has been revealed.
You guys are reaching. Clinton is clean. Get over it.
ViewtifulJC
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Ignoring Trump I don't have much reason to like most of the presidential candidates, they're way more to the right than what I would personally vote for. If we do bring Trump into the equation, it's still a no brainer to vote for her. If you want to drag your politics more to the left side, you have to vote as far left as you can while making your vote count.
allenpergallon
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entremet
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My issues with her are mostly on her hawkish neoliberal foreign policy, but I'm still voting her.
Same beef I have with Obama.
I have no opinion on her personally as I don't know her. I do think she's massively intelligent and capable. I do think she gets a lot flack since she's not as effervescent in demeanor as Obama or her husband.
Same beef I have with Obama.
I have no opinion on her personally as I don't know her. I do think she's massively intelligent and capable. I do think she gets a lot flack since she's not as effervescent in demeanor as Obama or her husband.
qft lol
balladofwindfishes
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Speaking of Elizabeth Warren, she recently said Hillary Clinton is running on the most progressive agenda in history
Heckler456
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What distinguishes "flip flopping" from "I just got some new information, and it appears I was wrong beforehand"?
FrontalMonk
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Whoa, whoa, back it up. I'm voting for her, and confidently. I think she's going to be a great president. I'm just explaining the "dislike" mindset, insofar as I see it.
rokkerkory
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Because she has better stamina than me
digita1alchemy
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Anyone who voted for the Iraq War is permanently on my shit list.
Edit: Oh, and the Patriot Act as well.
Edit: Oh, and the Patriot Act as well.
Ziltoidia 9
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I never understood "because shes a woman", especially pointed towards people that are more liberal/progressive. I for one would have rather had Warren over Sanders, but he ran so I went with him. Sure there are dumb republican guys out there but using it against people that basically believe your side is counter productive and leads to in-fighting.
As far as Hillary goes, I think she is unnecessarily secretive about everything. Relies to much on her staff to do the politicking/message control.
But in the end, Hillary is more Sanders like, at least in what she is proposing now, than when she started the primaries. I'm no Bernie or Bust person, People say he "sold out" some how for endorsing her, but she really did move towards and embraced him, almost more than any other primary winner.
As far as Hillary goes, I think she is unnecessarily secretive about everything. Relies to much on her staff to do the politicking/message control.
But in the end, Hillary is more Sanders like, at least in what she is proposing now, than when she started the primaries. I'm no Bernie or Bust person, People say he "sold out" some how for endorsing her, but she really did move towards and embraced him, almost more than any other primary winner.
DragonSworne
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I didn't say you weren't voting for her. It's just that there is this bogus narrative around Clinton that she must be dirty since she has been in politics for so long. What about Sanders and others who have been at it longer? I don't see accusations of them being dirty.
The vast majority of the nation that agreed with the Iraq war at the time and pushed politicians to vote for it must also be on your shitlist.
Clean is reaching. Deserving of the scrutiny? Absolutely not.
Vicetrailia
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Nah she's great. Her policies are exceptional, she's a good person and I can't wait to vote for her.
I just hope she doesn't still think that free college could come with the catch that one most work at least a part-time job along side it because "I did it" to qualify.
I just hope she doesn't still think that free college could come with the catch that one most work at least a part-time job along side it because "I did it" to qualify.
digita1alchemy
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Isn't that exactly what I said?
I would never wager any substantial amount of money that any politician is clean.
Unfortunately for us the morbius chair is only fiction.
You can argue "new information" about any flip flop known to man.
Too many though and you just look like you're pandering.
MHWilliams
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I don't dislike her, but you can't argue that she's made a few missteps. The email server is questionable and in another race against more measured candidates, would've been a huge issue. I'd probably have dropped the Clinton Foundation prior to this race. And there's no indication that the ongoing use of drone strikes and blanket support of Israel will change under Clinton.
People have dinging her on not being as emotive or inspiring, but after watching the PBS Frontline, it's clear that the semi-secretive, very measured person she is today is a result of being in the public eye for years and how the news media has treated her as a public figure.
But she's damn prepared. She is the most experienced candidate we've had in forever. And the slate she's running against is a joke. Seriously, 100 percent every other candidate that's currently fielded is a joke.
People have dinging her on not being as emotive or inspiring, but after watching the PBS Frontline, it's clear that the semi-secretive, very measured person she is today is a result of being in the public eye for years and how the news media has treated her as a public figure.
But she's damn prepared. She is the most experienced candidate we've had in forever. And the slate she's running against is a joke. Seriously, 100 percent every other candidate that's currently fielded is a joke.
What she did with the selling of that uranium to Russia was shady af.
Some of the things she has done is shady. The Clinton Foundation is not a beacon of pure ethics. The way she handled emails was an unprofessional mistake.
She also supported the war in Iraq and the Patriot Act.
Anybody pretending she's a perfect flower is ignorant or wills to be.
But she's a presidential, pleasant, mostly truthful alternative to the chaotic clusterfuck that is Trump. And she has a resume for the job that no candidate in years has ever seen. She's extremely qualified.
Some of the things she has done is shady. The Clinton Foundation is not a beacon of pure ethics. The way she handled emails was an unprofessional mistake.
She also supported the war in Iraq and the Patriot Act.
Anybody pretending she's a perfect flower is ignorant or wills to be.
But she's a presidential, pleasant, mostly truthful alternative to the chaotic clusterfuck that is Trump. And she has a resume for the job that no candidate in years has ever seen. She's extremely qualified.
Explicit, hate-fueled sexism isn't the only form of sexism. A lot of the shit that gets thrown at Hillary (namely the trust / personality stuff) is because she's held to different standards than her male counterparts.
I don't like her because she hasn't said anything that has resonated with me or that has spoken to me or informed me subtlely about her character. I don't get any passion from her, in a way someone like Obama can instill with very subtle gestures. I appreciate she's proficient enough at what she does. Competent I guess
Since shes been in the public eye for a hell of a long time, that bothers me about her. I'm not attacking her in the slightest and she's insanely preferable to Trump, more over I'm just commenting on a personal level for me that sometimes people in life just go along and get promoted purely by virtue of being there in the right circles and achieving but not overly so.
She's a career Politician like many others in my eyes, not Presidential. Yet here we are and I'll express gratitude I guess she wins
Since shes been in the public eye for a hell of a long time, that bothers me about her. I'm not attacking her in the slightest and she's insanely preferable to Trump, more over I'm just commenting on a personal level for me that sometimes people in life just go along and get promoted purely by virtue of being there in the right circles and achieving but not overly so.
She's a career Politician like many others in my eyes, not Presidential. Yet here we are and I'll express gratitude I guess she wins
the big things for me are her voting for the patriot act (and its reauthorization) and the iraq war. some of her support for her husband's policies while in office was problematic as well. also she's quite the military interventionist/hawk which doesn't sit well with me at all.
still voting for her though
still voting for her though
FrontalMonk
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Personally, I think they've got some skeletons, too. I'm not saying she's dirty. I'm saying literally everyone on planet earth has some shit that has been done or said in private that they would rather not be public, because it might be embarrassing or taken the wrong way. And I think that spending as long as she has in the public eye and being scrutinized and attacked at every turn has created a perception.
Maybe I should clarify. When I say skeletons, I'm talking about political mistakes that help prolong the furthering of the perception, not illegalities.
Hari Seldon
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The only thing good about her is that she is not trump. Fundamentally though, it boils down to her being the prototypical coastal democrat that also happens to be the xibit of scandals. She is willing to say and do anything for the job and take bribes from whatever company or country is willing to give them. Just like her husband, she is likely to be terrible for the working class.
Goro Majima
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She has all the charisma of cold French fries, has a smug look on her face when she puts her chin up in the air when she speaks, and has all the baggage of Bill from decades ago as well as her own political career.
None of that actually impacts where she stands on the issues or makes her less qualified to be president however.
I wouldn't say that I dislike her so much as we've had three incredibly charismatic presidents in a row which is a tough act to follow. I'd argue four out of the last five presidents were charismatic with the only exception being H. W. Bush and he was a one term president. So I think that impacts people's perspective a bit.
Why in gods name that makes people want to vote for Trump is beyond me because he isn't very charming either.
None of that actually impacts where she stands on the issues or makes her less qualified to be president however.
I wouldn't say that I dislike her so much as we've had three incredibly charismatic presidents in a row which is a tough act to follow. I'd argue four out of the last five presidents were charismatic with the only exception being H. W. Bush and he was a one term president. So I think that impacts people's perspective a bit.
Why in gods name that makes people want to vote for Trump is beyond me because he isn't very charming either.
Anyone posting or reading this that doesn't like her should watch the Frontline The Choice 2016 documentary PBS put on their website on 9/27/2016. Masterful work, as usual. It will definitely reinforce some of the notions about her character, but it also might help balance your view and give some perspective on the things she has done and the reason for some of her actions. There are some questionable moments, but I think her unfavorables are generally not deserved. Yes, she's a politician, but I truly believe that she cares about America and making this nation a fairer and better place for all of its inhabitants.
That's my issue. Bombs and drones have really soured my opinion on the Obama administration and I think those policies are something that Clinton will maintain (if not escalate).
And of course the association with banking and big business that I'm inherently skeptical of, but that's true of literally 99% of politicians.
Like, I'm not going to burn her at the stake for it, but she's definitely a status quo candidate and I'm not 100% on board with things.
teruterubozu
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I don't mind Hillary, but her diehard supporters are very off-putting. There's this weird thing going on where if you're not 100% enamored by her, then you have some kind of nefarious agenda. It's like voting for her just isn't enough.
This should be an interesting thread. I'll just leave this little nugget here.
Clinton is one of America's most honest politicians.
Clinton is one of America's most honest politicians.
freeofgreed
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But here's the thing. During the primary Clinton won the popular vote...by a lot. If Bernie won the popular vote but the DNC still stuck with Clinton then I would totally understand this POW, but the DNC backing her didn't make any difference at all. Also the DNC backing her, has nothing to do with Clinton herself.
I'm aware of all of this. Her supporters are well aware of why people dislike her. But that's not what I am looking for ITT. What I want is for people who actually dislike to explain themselves.
What are some examples of her flip flopping? I'm pretty sure most of her "flip flops" Have been from her going to a conservative position to a more liberal one. Which is completely natural considering how long she's been in politics and for how much the world has been changing these past few decades.
Of course. But that doesn't explain why you dislike her. I'm sure you have a best friend but that doesn't mean you hate all your other friends just because you don't like them as much as your bestie.
What does this matter?
Autumn Wind
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Pretty much this.
Its not even just in America, I find the same is said here in the U.K. I work in a bar and the number of times I hear "they're just as bad as each other" it drives me nuts.
One is highly qualified, intelligent, experienced and has built up relationships with diplomats all over the world.
The other is a "rich" guy who struggles to even form cohesive sentences, a narcissistic liar who insults entire races and is probably the least qualified person to be so close to becoming president.
Just as bad as each other my ass.
One is highly qualified, intelligent, experienced and has built up relationships with diplomats all over the world.
The other is a "rich" guy who struggles to even form cohesive sentences, a narcissistic liar who insults entire races and is probably the least qualified person to be so close to becoming president.
Just as bad as each other my ass.
RinBestFate
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Her supporters
The diehard fans of any candidate are the worst.
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