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Behold Nintendo Switch (March 2017, Hybrid w/ Dock, Detachable Controllers, Nvidia)

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Also I find hilarious that so many posters deny it's a home console and it's also replacing the 3DS. Even Nintendo say it's a home console first. 3DS still wins in portability. I can't see people bringing this around.

Ultimately, it's both (or neither, depending on your point of view). That Nintendo are keen to push the "home console" tagline is pretty meaningless. They were hardly likely to concede that they're retreating from the dedicated home console market.
 

Toparaman

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I think "Snap" would be a better name. "Switch" sounds too utilitarian, not at all like a games machine.

Also the hardware looks like a 3D-printed prototype.

Other than that it's pretty much exactly what I want out of a Nintendo system in the present day.
 
Why are people entertaining a "portable only" SKU when it goes against the very concept of the system? Critical thinking, guys and girls.
 
Well, they released a handheld without a charger, so I wouldn't be so sure.

Plus, multiple SKUs gives them a nice low price "from" to put in ads. Considering the 3DS crowd looking to upgrade, I think it's a distinct possibility.

The entire concept of the product, right down to the name, is based on the ability to "Switch" between home and portable. They are intertwined and that's clearly the message Nintendo is trying to hammer home. Releasing a day 1 SKU that removes that ability is the best way to create confusion and mixed messaging, and undermine the entire concept.
 
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2 markets I wish Nintendo would enter are the subscription and pro market.

virtual console subscription ala Netflix

Pro edition of the Switch(little more power/better battery/better sticks and buttons) ala PS4 Pro/Scorpio/elite controllers.
 

I Wanna Be The Guy

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With regards to UI, I do wonder how they'll handle it, and if they'll make it touch friendly or not. In portable mode a fast slick touch based interface seems the way to go, right? But that doesnt work so well in docked mode with no touch. Will be interesting to see how they lay it out.
 
2 markets I wish Nintendo would enter are the subscription and pro market.

virtual console subscription ala Netflix

Pro edition of the Switch(little more power/better battery/better sticks and buttons) ala PS4 Pro/Scorpio/elite controllers.

If the Switch is successful I can see a Pro version coming down the line since the hardware is inherently scalable.
 

Chase17

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So when is the next time I can expect Switch (this is going to take time to get used to) news.

*foolishly marks down date for the Animal Crossing direct*
 
I think $299 is fine for what it is, which is basically 3DS+WiiU in one package, plus having double the number of games than any one of those consoles is great.

It's worth it for me
 
Why are people entertaining a "portable only" SKU when it goes against the very concept of the system? Critical thinking, guys and girls.

I'm actually pretty confident it will happen in a couple years. Right now, yeah, they're focused on nailing the core concept. Down the line we may indeed see portable only or console only releases. This is just Nintendo hardware MO to a tee. Big versions, small versions, new features, fewer features.
 

13ruce

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Man I don't get this hostility to $300, what the heck. $300 is about the perfect price for this IMO. I'm kind of preparing for $350 but $300 would be great.

Wii was a really unique console, the low price was kind of unprecedented at that time. Not everything can be Wii priced.

But the ps4 and xbone are 300$ right now why would anyone buy a weaker console for a higher price that just makes no sense.

And by then there probaly wil be 250$ deals or even cheaper on them wich would destroy Switch if it launches at 300$.
 
I have a new concern. So....the system will have a regular charger to plug in in addition to being able to charge via the dock, right? Cause if the dock is the only way to charge it then that's really shitty. I need to be able to play this in portable mode while it's charging.

Of Course its going to have a regular charger.
 

I Wanna Be The Guy

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2 markets I wish Nintendo would enter are the subscription and pro market.

virtual console subscription ala Netflix

Pro edition of the Switch(little more power/better battery/better sticks and buttons) ala PS4 Pro/Scorpio/elite controllers.
YES! Especially for the subscription part. Not necessarily netflix style for virtual console, though that would be cool too. But something along the lines of the PS Plus model. The last gen PS Plus model before they made it mandatory for multiplayer. Games added each month. They could have both Switch games as well as virtual console games as part of the service. Could be good. PS Plus certainly used to be.
 

Branduil

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Man I don't get this hostility to $300, what the heck. $300 is about the perfect price for this IMO. I'm kind of preparing for $350 but $300 would be great.

Wii was a really unique console, the low price was kind of unprecedented at that time. Not everything can be Wii priced.
Nintendo has never had a successful console that launched for more than $250. That price is probably already pushing it considering what happened with the 3DS and Vita.
 

dimb

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I cannot say that I really understand this product at all. Nintendo is really doubling down on what the Wii U was, but the point of differentiation through untethering the gamepad seems misguided. I simply do not see solutions to the myriad of problems that come with what is being billed as a portable console. Battery life issues are an immense hurdle that I just don't see this overcoming. And even if this device is technically able to go anywhere, nothing about it seems particularly ergonomic. What is supposed to make this design portable? It's not something you can just slide into a backpack or tuck in a pocket. I feel that Nintendo is disregarding the success they had in the portable market, where their products beat out those trying to ape the console experience by being sturdy, having a low entry point, long battery life, and a small frame. It seems like a total miss on the fundamentals of portable gaming. This is not even thinking about the split in game design that exists between handheld titles and console titles. Will every game be broken up into small chunks or have a "save anywhere" feature that make games more digestible while on the go?

Bringing pure power to the handheld sector is something that ultimately bites the portable experience in the behind, but heading in that direction also hinders the Switch as a set top box. The video angles the device as carrying some sort of social element, which makes its impact on the hardware by each handle breaking off into a controller, but to what end? These minimalistic controllers do not look at all comfortable and lack basic functionality that high end games would often require. Hunching over some tiny screen that will find itself often cut in half for split screen just seems so bizarre, especially when the device needs to be set up on a flat surface. Supporting this unlikely use case comes with such a heavy cost, and you wind up with the controller even as a single unit missing a d-pad.

And I don't mean to become some cantankerous old man scoffing at technology, but the presentation of this debut sends uncomfortable messages. Unable to pry yourself away from the game? Now you can bring it with you to the park. The video's repeated contrast between real world events and video games is so off-putting. Is Mario Kart supposed to compare favorably to real life go karts? Is there really a need to play a basketball video game at the basketball court with your friends? Where are people supposed to bring this and how is it social when the cutoff is two players crowded around a device? This device does not really play up a shared experience...it just seems like a very sad way to clutch on to games that were designed to be played in a different environment.

This just seems like a compromise on every front. It is not an efficient and easily portable device. It gives up ground on delivering a traditional console experience. And probably worst of all, this video does not even allude to this really functioning as a tablet, though it is impossible to really imagine Nintendo even being competitive in that space.
 

jwj442

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My co-workers are probably more serious gamers than me but never talk about Nintendo, Pokemon Go aside. But they were excited about the Switch today. It's just an anecdote but consistent with the buzz online. They're off to a good start - let's hope they can stick the landing with the pricing, etc.
 
299 is too high if that's with no games. If that's with Zelda then that's ok. If it's 299 for the basic console then I may wait for the inevitable price drop a few months later when it bombs.
 
2 markets I wish Nintendo would enter are the subscription and pro market.

virtual console subscription ala Netflix

Pro edition of the Switch(little more power/better battery/better sticks and buttons) ala PS4 Pro/Scorpio/elite controllers.

Seeing how they done that with every Hand Held except GBA (Game boy -> Game boy Color, DS->.DSI, 3ds-> New 3ds) That will definitely happen
 

Bsigg12

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Watching the video again, it's surprisingly modern and almost mature I suppose for Nintendo. I really like this reveal and can't wait for a Direct that details the system as well as launch games.
 
Reactions to the reveal seem mixed but overall pretty positive.

Now the next test begins....the software unveiling. I pray it's before the end of 2016.
 

Naudi

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I stand corrected. My wife thinks it's dumb too lol. She was really hoping for just a regular Nintendo non of this gimmicky stuff the last few have had. But if it has actual games this time maybe she will come around. She is super bummed :(
 
It's not a possibility. "Switch" is in the name. Nintendo has literally called it their "new home gaming console". The dock was heavily featured in the reveal trailer. It's being included with every single hardware SKU at launch.

This discussion is hilarious.

I'd wager you'd have said the same about a handheld releasing without a charger too. As for what was shown in the trailer, well do you expect the controller add on in the box too? And the Pro pad? All featured heavily, and are part of the switch aspect of the console. It was a marketing trailer, taking it as gospel as to what's in the box and deciding there'll be a single SKU because of it is absurd.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
 
I don't know if $299 is DOA. I mean it depends on how they position it. If this this is build as a not just a gaming console for home and on the go, but also a functional tablet with all the bells and whistles of one. Next to an ipad mini it looks like a steal.
 
I'd wager you'd have said the same about a handheld releasing without a charger too. As for what was shown in the trailer, well do you expect the controller add on in the box too? And the Pro pad? All featured heavily, and are part of the switch aspect of the console. It was a marketing trailer, taking it as gospel as to what's in the box and deciding there'll be a single SKU because of it is absurd.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

Your charger analogy is ridiculous. Even though its omission continues to baffle me, the New 3DS was an iterative upgrade aimed at core 3DS consumers. It's not the same thing at all.

As for the Grip, yes, I absolutely believe that will be included in the box. The Pro controller will obviously be a separate purchase.
 
I think Switch could be big in japan and with a lot of jp devs releasing rpgs on it like the 3ds as well as console devs. Could be a big jrpg machine.
 
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