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Behold Nintendo Switch (March 2017, Hybrid w/ Dock, Detachable Controllers, Nvidia)

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Somnid

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But why should a customer buy a Switch for home console gaming if there are alternatives with better graphics for the same price?

All the arguments for picking the Switch fall down to "but Nintendo games".

This heavily assumes that consumers don't treat them differently, it sarcastically proposes Nintendo games aren't a big draw and you happened to slap a really big precondition on it all. In short, you're loading the question.
 

mstevens

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You are in the minority. Kids might like this, but geared towards PS4 crowd this is not. Look at that controller lol. Wow.

75% of handheld gaming devices I've seen in public have been in the hands of adults. This thing is even closer to a "social acceptable" (which I think is silly, but what you're alluding to) device like an iPad.
 
Never seen people playing handhelds on the various airports in Europe.

This super mobile and social thing is more a marketing ideal than something people really want to do.

This heavily assumes that consumers don't treat them differently, it sarcastically proposes Nintendo games aren't a big draw and you happened to slap a really big precondition on it all. In short, you're loading the question.

Well, if your entire argument why the console concept is great is basically the standard because Nintendo games then the concept isn't maybe that groundbreaking.
 

Naudi

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75% of handheld gaming devices I've seen in public have been in the hands of adults. This thing is even closer to a "social acceptable" (which I think is silly, but what you're alluding to) device like an iPad.

Well I'm sure it depends a bit on where you live. But I can honestly say I cant remember the last time I've seen any adult on anything other then a phone/tablet. They aren't going to buy this lol
 
You are in the minority. Kids might like this, but geared towards PS4 crowd this is not. Look at that controller lol. Wow.

Lol talking about minorities when the "PS4 crowd" is a pretty small portion of gamers overall is funny.

People who play Nintendo games (it's a lot of people) will be playing these, plus more.
 
With the right software I'm totally in, that Mario and Zelda footage is what I wanted years ago. Nintendo and Capcom surprising me by reversing so many years of weirdness... Cautiously optimistic they'll clean up and organize their online structure?

I will consider myself switched from negative to positive.
 

Naudi

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Lol talking about minorities when the "PS4 crowd" is a pretty small portion of gamers overall is funny.

People who play Nintendo games (it's a lot of people) will be playing these, plus more.

Did you even read what I replied to? Damn.
Was on last page someone claiming this hit it out of the park for the hardcore PS4 crowd lol. I'm just saying that it's way off the mark.
 

dimb

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I guess there's a chance that the "pocket" space is already mostly taken by mobiles, and so they think it wouldn't really be a significant advantage. The larger size could also mean better battery, lessening your first complaint.
Having a large casing doesn't necessarily facilitate using a large battery. If you look at something like laptops the battery can begin to add weight very easily. It is almost impossible for me to imagine a scenario where this device has good battery life. At the end of the day this is not a premium device.
Part of the problem, like people pointed out before, is that recently for Nintendo there's little differentiating a portable from a console experience once the portables became capable of advanced 3d. Series like Mario Kart, Smash bros, NSMB and 3d World/Land were essentially the same for both portable and console. Although, really, the only thing the portable use particularly needs is some kind of rest mode.
I would say that the device Nintendo is presenting does not accommodate the handheld space or cater to the same principles their dedicated handhelds have. Does a cumbersome device like this that will be limited by battery life really serve the handheld market? Having a more power hungry device does not really serve the more practical handheld exclusives like Rhythm Heaven, Etrian Odyssey, or Phoenix Wright. Even games with heavy overlap like Smash Bros. and 3D Land had to redesign major elements of their game to accommodate a smaller screen and limited control options. It is not a 1:1 transition for many titles.
Cheap simple multiplayer, kind of like the horizontal style for the Wiimotes, since it likely avoids the need to bundle the classic controller with the core system.
In what setting? Is the intention to bring this to some public place to meet with friends? How does this device benefit players on the go to play with one another compared to simply playing at someone's home? The tiny kickstand propped screen and dinky controllers are a cumbersome interpretation of these titles.
 

BONKERS

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Lol. Not even close. How many 20-40 year olds do you see walking around with this thing? Kids sure. Hardcore? This is well off the mark.

The Switch is perfect for me and i'm in that age range. I can take the portable with me to work, keep it in my locker and play it during breaks and lunches.

Take it home, plug it in and continue on the TV.


How is this really any different than carrying around a Gameboy, or a 3DS, a Vita or even gasp a Smartphone or Tablet?


I can see not using the controllers for multiplayer because they are small. But they don't look very awkward. You can't knock it until you've held it. It might just *work*
There's also the possibility you can still use other wireless controllers instead of those as well if you choose so.

And when using them standalone or with the tablet. They look great.
Stick placement on the Wii U Gamepad and Pro controller was awkward for me personally, to use to try and reach any of the face buttons. It was really uncomfortable. Not horrible, but I greatly prefer the face buttons up top.
 
But why should a customer buy a Switch for home console gaming if there are alternatives with better graphics for the same price?

All the arguments for picking the Switch fall down to "but Nintendo games".

The only reason to buy a Nintendo console is for Nintendo games. This has been true since the beginning of time.
 

zeshakag

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I can see this stealing the thunder from the 1st gen of the XBone and PS4 S consoles. Mainly, among PC gamers who place less value on console graphics and may be swayed by portability and Nintendo exclusives, especially for Zelda.
 
Say what you want about the West but Switch will do really well in Japan. Monster Hunter on Switch will be big in Japan.

I can also see a lot of Japanese developers moving from Vita to Switch rather than PS4 or alongside it.
 

Naudi

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The Switch is perfect for me and i'm in that age range. I can take the portable with me to work, keep it in my locker and play it during breaks and lunches.

Take it home, plug it in and continue on the TV.


How is this really any different than carrying around a Gameboy, or a 3DS, a Vita or even gasp a Smartphone or Tablet?


I can see not using the controllers for multiplayer because they are small. But they don't look very awkward. And when using them standalone or with the tablet. They look great.
Stick placement on the Wii U Gamepad and Pro controller was ridiculously awkward to use to try and reach any of the face buttons. Putting them back in the proper place was the smart thing to do IMO.

I'm not saying there is zero people that will, on this forum I'm sure alot would. But the general public? Nah.

Will this be capable of native 1080p games? It better be lol
 

Somnid

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Well, if your entire argument why the console concept is great is basically the standard because Nintendo games then the concept isn't maybe that groundbreaking.

I think it's great because it's portable. But you tried to eliminate the obvious answer by setting up an arbitrary condition. Still, even if I didn't take it out of my house, I still really like portability inside of it for all the same reasons off-tv play was nice. And yes even in terms of Nintendo games, if hybrid is really the focus means you potentially get even more of those than standard. I also look forward to what else they haven't said, about the software and services and about what other plans they could have for alternate controllers and such. We don't have full picture, hell there might be some crazy gotcha that turns everyone off. What you are doing is a classic pattern of setting up hard goals and then failing things because they didn't meet them. That's fine for personal preferences but just remember that it's disingenuous to push those as the public opinion, at least without better backing.
 

rekameohs

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The only reason to buy a Nintendo console is for Nintendo games. This has been true since the beginning of time.
This is actually the first time in quite some time where I disagree when it comes to Nintendo hardware. If this was, say, a new Nvidia Shield with the exact same hardware, I would totally be interested.
 

psyfi

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Lol. Not even close. How many 20-40 year olds do you see walking around with this thing? Kids sure. Hardcore? This is well off the mark.
I'm 32 and I'm definitely planning on taking it on my longer bus rides around town. Mostly I'll just play it while curled up in bed or on my couch, though.
 

thefro

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Amongst all the excitement, Nintendo reminding everyone that they are still the same Nintendo we've come to know over the years....

Eh, we can't take that as 100% confirmation given that 1) Nintendo lies and 2) Mochi didn't think there would be a reveal this week. Emily & Laura both said more stuff before the end of the month and they've been pretty spot on with everything they've reported.

I do think a big January blowout makes more sense, but that's cutting it awfully close for the launch lineup.
 

HylianTom

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I hope GameStop handles preorders better this time around than the shittastic manner in which they handled it last time.

For the Wii U, it went like this:

I'm at work, unable to leave, and an email arrives: "Hey! Preorders are open RIGHT NOW!"

Me: "Gee.. thanks for the heads-up. Great job."
 

Ashby

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I hope GameStop handles preorders better this time around than the shittastic manner in which they handled it last time.

For the Wii U, it went like this:

I'm at work, unable to leave, and an email arrives: "Hey! Preorders are open RIGHT NOW!"

Me: "Gee.. thanks for the heads-up. Great job."

Sorry, I don't understand. How is that not a good heads-up?
 

messiaen

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I hope they take a note out of Nokia's book for the screen. Nokia's phones are incredible in direct sunlight. I believe the main tech is called SRE, works beautifully.

For the price... I think $300 is realistic. $250 is ideal, but looking at the launch window, it puts them in a position to have a price drop around holiday if they get off to a slower than expected start. But they obviously don't want to get off to a bad start like they did with 3DS and Wii U... So I could see more aggressive pricing. We'll just have to wait and see.
 

HylianTom

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Sorry, I don't understand. How is that not a good heads-up?

It used to be where they'd give a week or two of notice, so that you could plan ahead. Many of us who have jobs can't drop everything at a moment's notice to beat the rush to the store.
 
I'm so glad Switch doesn't look like a fisher price toy like the Wii U and 3DS. It legitimately looks like a sleek piece of tech.

Also it looks better than 99% of the mockups shown.
 

Skyzard

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I'll get this if it has better specs than the WiiU and decent battery life as I have a gamepad for big handheld nintendo gameplay at home, the screen isn't great but I'm not sure that's worth rebuying all the nintendo games again.

I think I'll wait for other colours though, that grey looks awful.
 
Lol. Not even close. How many 20-40 year olds do you see walking around with this thing? Kids sure. Hardcore? This is well off the mark.

Why do you need to "walk around with this thing"? You have the option of doing so and if you're too goddamn hardcore to do it, you can just game at home as you would normally.
 

Ashby

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It used to be where they'd give a week or two of notice, so that you could plan ahead. Many of us who have jobs can't drop everything at a moment's notice to beat the rush to the store.

Yeah, that was the point I didn't get: does Gamestop really not let you preorder online in 2016?
 

seady

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With so many configuration of control they are trying to put in the Switch, I can't believe they take out the most important of all (and one that Nintendo started with in the market) : THE TOUCH SCREEN.

I really love the DS era with the innovation they brought to touch screen gaming. Now they back out of that. Same with motion control.
 

HylianTom

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Yeah, that was the point I didn't get: does Gamestop really not let you preorder online in 2016?

I haven't preordered a console in about 5 years, so I'm not quite sure. You can sign-up on their webpage to get an alert, but I don't know beyond that. I hope they've gotten better.
 
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