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[Makai]

I am just dumbfounded at the controller. They killed the DPad. They changed the analog stick orientation for the fifth generation in a row. Almost no room between buttons and analog stick in sideways mode.

 

[~Cross~]

For a machine weaker than a WiiU?

Its at the very least twice as strong?

 

[psyfi]

For a machine weaker than a WiiU?

good lord, do some basic research

 

[ScientificPizza]

Yeah, that was the point I didn't get: does Gamestop really not let you preorder online in 2016?

they've got to. EB definitely does and it's owned by Gamestop

 

[AquaWateria]

With so many configuration of control they are trying to put in the Switch, I can't believe they take out the most important of all (and one that Nintendo started with in the market) : THE TOUCH SCREEN.

I really love the DS era with the innovation they brought to touch screen gaming. Now they back out of that. Same with motion control.

I think they were trying to sell the concept first.

 

[Kibbles]

It's absolutely not weaker than the Wii U

It's running Zelda? That should at least tell you that it's comparable smh

Isn't this the same specs as a Shield TV? I had one, is the WiiU really weaker than the ShieldTV? Shield wasnt as good as I was expecting. Plus why are people saying this is running games in 504p? MK8 was 720/60 no?

 

[rekameohs]

With so many configuration of control they are trying to put in the Switch, I can't believe they take out the most important of all (and one that Nintendo started with in the market) : THE TOUCH SCREEN.

I really love the DS era with the innovation they brought to touch screen gaming. Now they back out of that. Same with motion control.

There's totally going to be touch and gyro. That stuff's cheap as dirt now; no reason to waste time on it in such a short trailer.

 

[chaosblade]

I think they have to. If you have two kids, they'll each want one and you wouldn't need two docks.

It doesn't matter if they don't "need" two docks. The system isn't being billed as a portable, it's a home console you can optionally play on the go. Without the dock you lose the entire selling point of the device.

Maybe once the 3DS has been put to bed they will sell a standalone unit without the dock, but right now it goes against their message.


It's like the Wii U without a gamepad SKU that was constantly proposed. You don't "need" a second gamepad (a first one after some minor OS tweaks, for that matter), but it was a key component of the console and Nintendo didn't want to muddle their message by excluding it.

 

[mingoguaya]

Price it at $199 and they will be printing money all over again. That's exactly why they won't do it.

 

[AquaWateria]

Isn't this the same specs as a Shield TV? I had one, is the WiiU really weaker than the ShieldTV? Shield wasnt as good as I was expecting

Brah have you been out of the loop?

 

[Makai]

With so many configuration of control they are trying to put in the Switch, I can't believe they take out the most important of all (and one that Nintendo started with in the market) : THE TOUCH SCREEN.

I really love the DS era with the innovation they brought to touch screen gaming. Now they back out of that. Same with motion control.

Oh shit, really? Why is this thing so different?

 

[10k]

Isn't this the same specs as a Shield TV? I had one, is the WiiU really weaker than the ShieldTV? Shield wasnt as good as I was expecting. Plus why are people saying this is running games in 504p?

NS is closer to an Xbox One than Wii U.

 

[StoopKid]

I'd think so since that market could just not use the dock and play all games as a portable. Maybe they put out a smaller portable only sku down the road though.

Plus a big part of the idea is to have all their games on one platform and not split between a dedicated console and a dedicated portable.

Yea the only thing I hope is all games don't become $60.

 

[Skyzard]

NS is closer to an Xbox One than Wii U.

Have they released specs or is this wishful thinking...because it has to be battery operated.

 

[Angry Chair]

I'm not saying there is zero people that will, on this forum I'm sure alot would. But the general public? Nah.

Will this be capable of native 1080p games? It better be lol

I'm sure after the Wii U was capable of it that Nintendo would make a console that couldn't.

 

[Chase17]

I am just dumbfounded at the controller. They killed the DPad. They changed the analog stick orientation for the fifth generation in a row. Almost no room between buttons and analog stick in sideways mode.

On the bright side we are back to a good stick configuration. Could never get used to right analog over the buttons.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

I think they have to. If you have two kids, they'll each want one and you wouldn't need two docks.

You really think Nintendo is going to dedicate an entire SKU, and undermine the entire marketing strategy of the system, just to cater to this weird ass edge case scenario you just described?

 

[Ashby]

Yea the only thing I hope is all games don't become $60.

Haha this is the first time I thought about this. They've bamboozled us with this move!

 

[YaGaMi]

All that secrecy for this?! I think it will do well in Japan but everywhere else I'm not too sure. I wonder if this BC with any of their older portables.

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

Isn't this the same specs as a Shield TV? I had one, is the WiiU really weaker than the ShieldTV? Shield wasnt as good as I was expecting. Plus why are people saying this is running games in 504p? MK8 was 720/60 no?

It's a custom chip, not one of the off the shelf parts. We don't truly know the specs yet, but it must be at least in the same ballpark as the WiiU in order to receive ports of WiiU games. It could be notably more powerful.

 

[Somnid]

With so many configuration of control they are trying to put in the Switch, I can't believe they take out the most important of all (and one that Nintendo started with in the market) : THE TOUCH SCREEN.

I really love the DS era with the innovation they brought to touch screen gaming. Now they back out of that. Same with motion control.

Everything seems to scream this is not the case, we just likely haven't been told because they want crystal clear messaging about the concept and no other distractions at this point.

 

[Naudi]

Why do you need to "walk around with this thing"? You have the option of doing so and if you're too goddamn hardcore to do it, you can just game at home as you would normally.

That's why all I want is a home console...not a mobile hybrid. Can get alot more power for way less $ when they don't have to worry about form factor. Why is it so hard for people to understand that? This product isn't for me and that's a bummer. Unless it's sub 200$ then it's cheap enough to not care, since it's doomed to be a Nintendo game only machine.

 

[Makai]

On the bright side we are back to a good stick configuration. Could never get used to right analog over the buttons.

I thought the Wii U orientation was really the best ever since it meant you could play shooters without moving your thumb off the sticks.

 

[Rebel Leader]

Price it at $199 and they will be printing money all over again. That's exactly why they won't do it.

Umm, No. That's not the reason

 

[Prisoner KSC2-303]

With so many configuration of control they are trying to put in the Switch, I can't believe they take out the most important of all (and one that Nintendo started with in the market) : THE TOUCH SCREEN.

I really love the DS era with the innovation they brought to touch screen gaming. Now they back out of that. Same with motion control.

I'm not sure those are gone, they perhaps simply weren't in the trailer for fear of throwing too much at consumers and muddying the waters. They're pushing quite hard for this not to be seen merely as a further extension of the Wii era, and they focussed on the adaptability of the machine.

If Mario Maker isn't going to die as an IP, then they need touch screen. Gyro for aiming in Splatoon is pretty key too.

 

[Makai]

This thing has to be cheap if it's just a standard screen with some cheap controllers and a docking station. $200

 

[ciD_Vain]

Lol there's no way this isn't touch screen

 

[ViolentP]

ITT, no one has definitive specs to back their adamant claims.

 

[Equanimity]

I hope the portable mode is at least a bit stronger than the Wii U for that locked 30fps Zelda.

Is it even possible to fit such power in a portable device?

 

[antispin]

I want it n a o

 

[ScientificPizza]

Isn't this the same specs as a Shield TV? I had one, is the WiiU really weaker than the ShieldTV? Shield wasnt as good as I was expecting. Plus why are people saying this is running games in 504p? MK8 was 720/60 no?

idk, it's all speculative. all we really know is that it's a custom nvidia chip. i would place money on it being significantly more powerful than a wii u, though

it'll be interesting to see how powerful it really is once the official specs are announced though

 

[Makai]

Wow, Pachter likes it

Have seen enough of Switch to be confident that Nintendo will get its mojo back. I am hopeful price is right and that specs compare to PS4

https://twitter.com/michaelpachter/status/789154259103207424

 

[mingoguaya]

Umm, No. That's not the reason

This thing has to be cheap if it's just a standard screen with some cheap controllers and a docking station. $200

Yup. My thoughts exactly. Why should it be more than that?

Basic NS with Joy Cons $199
Deluxe NS with JC and a Pro Controller with a pack in game for $269

 

[Tonedeff]

All that's left is the execution Nintendo. Stick the landing and the world is yours

 

[Bsigg12]

Isn't this the same specs as a Shield TV? I had one, is the WiiU really weaker than the ShieldTV? Shield wasnt as good as I was expecting. Plus why are people saying this is running games in 504p? MK8 was 720/60 no?

We don't know what the specs are. Speculation says it's a custom variant of the Tegra X2 which is quite a bit more powerful than the X1 the Shield TV has.

It also falls in line with rumors from months ago saying Nvidia was doing everything g it could to claim a console and cut Nintendo a huge deal.

 

[jdstorm]

I'm not saying there is zero people that will, on this forum I'm sure alot would. But the general public? Nah.

Will this be capable of native 1080p games? It better be lol

The WiiU is capable of native 1080p games. So yes it will.

As for the general public. Any 20-40 year old who has to share the TV with a Husband/Wife/Kids will love off tv play/Playing in bed/playing on the can. I think you are generally overestimating the importance of graphics to the general public.

The public cares about graphics becasue there is virtually no difference between owning an Xboxone/PS4 aside from graphics. Sony players get a few extra japanese games but its essentially the same experience.

The Nintendo Switch provides a point of difference. (Portability) in addition to Nintendo games. So thats 2 points of difference that are actually features that would cause people to buy a product over another.

 

[callhitman]

Wow, Pachter likes it



https://twitter.com/michaelpachter/status/789154259103207424

Well it easy a nice run. Time to Switch off.

 

[PdotMichael]

I think it's great because it's portable. But you tried to eliminate the obvious answer by setting up an arbitrary condition. Still, even if I didn't take it out of my house, I still really like portability inside of it for all the same reasons off-tv play was nice. And yes even in terms of Nintendo games, if hybrid is really the focus means you potentially get even more of those than standard. I also look forward to what else they haven't said, about the software and services and about what other plans they could have for alternate controllers and such. We don't have full picture, hell there might be some crazy gotcha that turns everyone off. What you are doing is a classic pattern of setting up hard goals and then failing things because they didn't meet them. That's fine for personal preferences but just remember that it's disingenuous to push those as the public opinion, at least without better backing.

Looking at the success of the Wii, which was carried by not typical Nintendo software, and the various level of failures: N64, GameCube and WiiU, there is maybe a little bit more "Nintendo games" in the equation.

And I don't need to set any goals and stuff. Iwata himself stated that the N64, GameCube and WiiU weren't successful.

 

[rekameohs]

Wow, Pachter likes it



https://twitter.com/michaelpachter/status/789154259103207424

I know everyone on GAF ridicules the guy, but this reveal clearly shows how much their past gen's marketing was bungled with the overwhelmingly positive response from the general media now as opposed to then. We'll just have to see if it can live up to the trailer's promise.

 

[Nerrel]

It's absolutely not weaker than the Wii U

It's running Zelda? That should at least tell you that it's comparable smh

It's running Zelda at substantially poorer framerates in portable mode. That raises a lot of questions about how powerful the system is. The dock has no processing power, but it will provide a wall outlet, so the system will almost certainly be able to run at higher clocks when docked. But whether that'll be enough to make a leap over Wii U when it's running so much worse in portable mode is hard to say.

Nothing we saw in the trailer looked better than a Wii U title... we saw MK8, Splatoon, and BotW looking identical to the Wii U versions. The new Mario also could have easily been a Wii U game. Even if the system is capable of doing better than Wii U, developers may be held back by the handheld performance. If BotW runs at 15fps without the dock, which it looked like it was in the trailer, then clearly they can't ever do much more than Wii U level visuals without causing portable play to struggle. And if it can run better than that, why did they show that footage? You kind of have to assume that will be typical if Nintendo couldn't find something less janky to show for such a critical reveal.

I would love to be proven wrong, but it seems like we're getting a weaker system than Wii U when playing portably and a system that's equal to Wii U in console mode.

 

[bounchfx]

Price it at $199 and they will be printing money all over again. That's exactly why they won't do it.

rofl

did you read what you wrote

 

[GuitarGuruu]

So when do we expect to actually hear some concrete details regarding price, specs, and actual further information as far as what the console actually does.

 

[runnin_blue]

Just preordered it. I can't wait to get my hands on this thing. My ideal console.

 

[streetsahead123]

I like the idea but a lot of those controller combinations look like the cheap third party controllers that get made by Mad Cats or some shit

 

[Sora the Cat]

Cute.

 

[MogCakes]

THIS IS IT. WANT. THIS is the kind of experience the PC cannot bring to the table with the same ease.

 

[CrazedProfessional]

PS2 beats Gamecube
"Fine, next time WE will make an underpowered console for the mass market!"
iPhone and iPad eat up 3DS momentum
"Fine, I guess next time WE will make a tablet for the mass market!"
Wii U bombs in spectacular fashion against traditionalist competition.
"Fine, I guess next time WE will partner with Nvidia, come up with a catchy name and introduce detachable parts!

Nintendo is interesting.

 

[Naudi]

Man, those controls look awful lol. I agree with above, they look like 3rd party attachments.

 

[Matt]

It's running Zelda at substantially poorer framerates in portable mode. That raises a lot of questions about how powerful the system is. The dock has no processing power, but it will provide a wall outlet, so the system will almost certainly be able to run at higher clocks when docked. But whether that'll be enough to make a leap over Wii U when it's running so much worse in portable mode is hard to say.

Nothing we saw in the trailer looked better than a Wii U title... we saw MK8, Splatoon, and BotW looking identical to the Wii U versions. The new Mario also could have easily been a Wii U game. Even if the system is capable of doing better than Wii U, developers may be held back by the handheld performance. If BotW runs at 15fps without the dock, which is looked like it was in the trailer, then clearly they can't ever do much more than Wii U level visuals without causing portable play to struggle. And if it can run better than that, why did they show that footage? You kind of have to assume that will be typical if Nintendo couldn't find something less janky to show.

I would love to be proven wrong, but it seems like we're getting a weaker system than Wii U when playing portably and a system that's equal to Wii U in console mode.

You're wrong.

 

[ScientificPizza]

It's running Zelda at substantially poorer framerates in portable mode. That raises a lot of questions about how powerful the system is. The dock has no processing power, but it will provide a wall outlet, so the system will almost certainly be able to run at higher clocks when docked. But whether that'll be enough to make a leap over Wii U when it's running so much worse in portable mode is hard to say.

Nothing we saw in the trailer looked better than a Wii U title... we saw MK8, Splatoon, and BotW looking identical to the Wii U versions. The new Mario also could have easily been a Wii U game. Even if the system is capable of doing better than Wii U, developers may be held back by the handheld performance. If BotW runs at 15fps without the dock, which is looked like it was in the trailer, then clearly they can't ever do much more than Wii U level visuals without causing portable play to struggle. And if it can run better than that, why did they show that footage? You kind of have to assume that will be typical if Nintendo couldn't find something less janky to show.

I would love to be proven wrong, but it seems like we're getting a weaker system than Wii U when playing portably and a system that's equal to Wii U in console mode.

I mean, like a lot of things in this thread, that's all speculative/presumptive

It'll be interesting to see either way though. Hopefully we learn official specs soon

But of course Zelda is going to look comparable to the Wii U version. It's the same as Twilight Princess in the respect. And we don't even know what Mario Kart and Splatoon even is, they could just be straight ports.

Mario is another thing but I don't think we saw anywhere near enough of it to pass judgement on it's quality

You realize everything on-screen in that trailer was done in post-processing right? None of it was running on a Switch, it was just target renders.

also yeah i wouldn't take the footage in that video as what your experience is going to be like.