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I'd play a proper Monster Hunter on console, the handheld version didn't sit well with me and were uncomfortable after a while. I can see them selling it on all 3 consoles & PC (RE has done really well on PC)



Though I've just realised, Pokmon Sun/Moon may be the last handheld Pokemon game, that gets me excited for the switch alone

 

[Nightbird]

Well, similar to Bloodborne and Dark Souls 3, but Bloodborne being a total exclusive.

I can see Sony paying for the marketing in the west for that new MH while Capcom is actually trying to make it open world and so for a wider western audience. To me, what Capcom says in this new kinda confirms the leak.

This is the important point. Bloodborne was like paying for a MH specifically created for the PS4. This makes sense, and i doubt that many would have complained if this was what was happening.

But paying for a game not to release on one other console, while allowing another console as well as PC to get it seems like a serious waste of money.

It's the opposite, it's smart, ps4 gets the "superior" game while NX gets the "inferior" portable version with the side effect of confusing people making them think that NX isn't a hybrid handheld/home but just a glorified handheld that's going to have "inferior" portable games.

That complicates things even further, because on top of that ridiculous deal, Sony now also has to launch a big marketing campaign just to tell people "don't buy the one that releases on the Nintendo system!" to convince a fanbase, that mainly plays MH on Nintendo systems to buy the one releasing on the PS4.


At this point paying for an exclusive MH would have been much, much simpler

 

[sublimit]

Have you played any of the recent 3DS games? The load times are so short that I can't imagine anyone objecting at all. They've come a long way from the PS2 and PSP installments.

They are still annoying and they disrupt the pace of the game for me.

 

[magnetic]

I don't think that MH needs to be dumbed down to appeal to the western market. Dark Souls has very similar philosophies and many people here responded to this particular style of challenge.

The idea that every action has an animation timing that needs to be kept in mind combined with complex enemies that need to be carefully observed is what ties these two series together for me.

Of course the overall structure is very different - Souls being a big adventure with complex levels, whereas MH is basically an arena based action game - but the mindset with which you play these games always felt strikingly similar to me.

There seems to be a certain overlap between the fans of both series, and I can definitely see an untapped market of Souls players who would absolutely love MH but aren't willing to play on a handheld with a 320x240 resolution.

 

[AsylumBlue]

https://youtu.be/lumFSUDdsTc

The 2 secs loading screens sure have some of you hot and bothered.

Wooooo.

Isn't the loading time worse on a 3DS in comparison to the N3DS? Some people may have only experienced the regular 3DS load times. Furthermore, the complaints are probably more related to pace/immersion.

 

[sanstesy]

So that 4chan rumor was true after all? I knew it.

 

[Condom]

I hope they do away with the exclusivity, MH on 3DS survived on the games being good instead of it being the best platform to play the games on. In my opinion at least.

I like to have all the cool stuff like party chat or streaming in the next mainline game. They can take their time making it too since we still have double cross to look forward to.

 

[MANUELF]

I don't think that MH needs to be dumbed down to appeal to the western market. Dark Souls has very similar philosophies and many people here responded to this particular style of challenge.

The idea that every action has an animation timing that needs to be kept in mind combined with complex enemies that need to be carefully observed is what ties these two series together for me.

There seems to be a certain overlap between the fans of both series, and I can definitely see an untapped market of Souls players who would absolutely love MH but aren't willing to play on a handheld with a 320x240 resolution.

How much does Dark Souls sell?

 

[Blobbers]

Maybe the next game wont look like absolute dogshit if PS4/Switch end up being the platforms.

 

[Kinsei]

get ready for open world monster hunter 5 w/ batman combat

You kid, but that's kinda what I worry about. Not the Batman combat part, but making it open world and dumbing down the combat.

 

[SpookyBlackFish]

I say it is not the handhelds that are limiting the sales. I don't think that Monster Hunter can grow any bigger for what it is. It evolved into a portable type of game, beginning with the PSP. The time limit, the small areas, micromanagement, how multiplayer is handled, suspend and resume, all these things scream for portability.
I never thought I'd say that, nowadays I feel a little oversaturated by its iterations. 3, 3G, 4, 4U, X, XX, xXxGUX4, it has worn off a little bit. Even introducing hunter styles, I skipped X and I think the same will be true for XX.

I have the feeling, that Monster Hunter is stuck in its uniqueness as well as with the reused assets. An overhaul is definitely needed when returning to home consoles but I don't know how much of the formula that worked so well with portables will be left.

 

[Oersted]

- Predicts Street Fighter 5 will have long legs due to its e-sports popularity

Any second now

 

[Sammy Samusu]

Isn't the loading time worse on a 3DS in comparison to the N3DS? Some people may have only experienced the regular 3DS load times. Furthermore, the complaints are probably more related to pace/immersion.

That's the regular 3DS version. Look at the pixelated shadows.

 

[ViciousDS]

god....a monster hunter on a modern console would mean one big open map for a mission if they did it right....no transitions.....it would be a true hunting experience.....the fucking zoning is so damn annoying in monster hunter games. It's one think about Toukiden I don't like.....is zoning

 

[shintoki]

The Logic is pretty flawed. Monster Hunter Started as a console series and sold like shit compared to what Handheld has done. It was also on the most successful console ever so that didn't do jack shit for the series

To be fair, that is with them releasing on PS2 with their piece of shit online.

 

[Ridley327]

I don't think that MH needs to be dumbed down to appeal to the western market. Dark Souls has very similar philosophies and many people here responded to this particular style of challenge.

The idea that every action has an animation timing that needs to be kept in mind combined with complex enemies that need to be carefully observed is what ties these two series together for me.

Of course the overall structure is very different - Souls being a big adventure with complex levels, whereas MH is basically an arena based action game - but the mindset with which you play these games always felt strikingly similar to me.

There seems to be a certain overlap between the fans of both series, and I can definitely see an untapped market of Souls players who would absolutely love MH but aren't willing to play on a handheld with a 320x240 resolution.

I think that Monster Hunter has a problem in the appeal department in that it's such a mish-mash of tone that can rub people the wrong way. Here's this game with some really fierce looking wyverns and other beasts, and you're being accompanied by cats dressed up like Russian nesting dolls, and there's a status effect that prevents you from using certain items as a result of being farted on. I think that it also makes people feel uneasy that the loot in the game doesn't work in the way that it does in Souls, too. People aren't going to have a hard time putting up with the grind for a Balder Side Sword because, hey, that's just killing a bunch of Balder Knights until you get one. Making a nice sword & shield is a lot more labor intensive than that, sometimes requiring two separate monsters to farm out for uncommon-to-rare parts because it's a matter of having all of the right materials. It's a very different level of commitment than I think a lot of people are capable of keeping up with if the gameplay feedback loop doesn't work for them.

 

[redcrayon]

Isn't the loading time worse on a 3DS in comparison to the N3DS? Some people may have only experienced the regular 3DS load times. Furthermore, the complaints are probably more related to pace/immersion.

I've put in around 600 hours on a regular 3DSXL, across MH3U, 4U and Generations, load times are around 2 seconds.

Agree that they are annoying but they aren't ridiculously long.

 

[le.phat]

So ready for MH on a current gen system. Ps4 is probably a lock in then.

 

[LordKano]

I just read the "rumour" in its entierty. Holy crap, how anyone can believe this mess ?
Sony are "desperate" in Japan, so they bought the exclusivity of MH5 ? They made a contract specifically to exclude another console (a console that hasn't even been released yet and that probably hasn't even been revealed by the time Sony would have supposedly made this deal ?)

They're switching the whole formula for something western-centric ? They would betrays their entire japanese fanbase which account for more than 80% of every iteration's sales ?
Oh but hey the portable series is back, because the MH Team can surely manage three series in the same time (MH, Portable and Frontier), of course.

Seriously people.

 

[AsylumBlue]

How much does Dark Souls sell?

Just "Dark Souls" and "Dark Souls II" alone accounted for 8,504,000 units sold by early 2015. "Dark Souls III" is sitting at above 3 million copies sold, and that's not including "Bloodborne" (above 2 million, pre-expansion) or "Demon's Souls" (1.7 million).

That's the regular 3DS version. Look at the pixelated shadows.

Good point. Must be specific loading screens that last a bit longer on the regular 3DS, then. I swear I saw a comparison where they differed.

 

[Jawmuncher]

Dino Crisis would appeal to the west capcom

 

[magnetic]

You kid, but that's kinda what I worry about. Not the Batman combat part, but making it open world and dumbing down the combat.

Making the levels more open is actually the exact opposite of what I would like. Running around the different areas is the part I dislike most about MH (combined with egg delivery missions), fighting them in a closed, small arena is a much more focused and intense experience for me - even if the environments are often quite atmospheric.

I guess I see MH more as a slower character action game, whereas others seem to want to turn it into Skyrim with Tigrex.

 

[pastrami]

How much does Dark Souls sell?

A month after Dark Souls 3 released, it had shipped 3 million units and the series had shipped 13 million units in total.

http://gematsu.com/2016/05/dark-sou...n-shipments-dark-souls-series-tops-13-million

So comparable in sales to Monster Hunter.

 

[le.phat]

The Logic is pretty flawed. Monster Hunter Started as a console series and sold like shit compared to what Handheld has done. It was also on the most successful console ever so that didn't do jack shit for the series

Talk about flawed logic. Monster Hunter took off on portable because that allowed people to play the game together. The ps2 couldn't possibly offer the same experience ( even with that HORRIBLE online modem thing they released lol ).

Current gen consoles and their online integration / communites could easily emulate the incredible Monster hunter multiplayer experience and even take it to new heights. Watch the series become a monster hit once it hits PS4. Guaranteed.

 

[Jaded Alyx]

god....a monster hunter on a modern console would mean one big open map for a mission if they did it right....no transitions.....it would be a true hunting experience.....the fucking zoning is so damn annoying in monster hunter games. It's one think about Toukiden I don't like.....is zoning

Could have sworn I read recently that this is intentional and they wouldn't want to change this even if they could.

 

[sanstesy]

I just read the "rumour" in its entierty. Holy crap, how anyone can believe this mess ?
Sony are "desperate" in Japan, so they bought the exclusivity of MH5 ? They made a contract specifically to exclude another console (a console that hasn't even been released yet and that probably hasn't even been revealed by the time Sony would have supposedly made this deal ?)

They're switching the whole formula for something western-centric ? They would betrays their entire japanese fanbase which account for more than 80% of every iteration's sales ?
Oh but hey the portable series is back, because the MH Team can surely manage three series in the same time (MH, Portable and Frontier), of course.

Seriously people.

Capcom has done more than enough weird things lately. I don't doubt that rumor any second now after this thread.

 

[Tarps]

Generations felt more than a little lazy / rushed to me with poorer frame rate / visual fidelity and lackluster 3d implementation - not too mantion a lack of new 3ds enhancements.

I'm doubtful that Capcom will give this series the effort is deserves, and keep rushing out weak instalments.

 

[LordKano]

Capcom has done more than enough weird things lately. I don't doubt that rumor any second now after this thread.

Monster Hunter is, with Resident Evil, their last big franchise, now that Street Fighter is in a coma. I know it's Capcom but they surely don't want to fuck this one.

 

[redcrayon]

Just "Dark Souls" and "Dark Souls II" alone accounted for 8,504,000 units sold by early 2015. "Dark Souls III" is sitting at above 3 million copies sold, and that's not including "Bloodborne" (above 2 million, pre-expansion) or "Demon's Souls" (1.7 million).



Good point. Must be specific loading screens that last a bit longer on the regular 3DS, then. I swear I saw a comparison where they differed.

I think load times between villages (generations) and loading to/from the village to the hunting grounds feels much longer than the area transitions, but I could be wrong.

 

[El Topo]

I just read the "rumour" in its entierty. Holy crap, how anyone can believe this mess ?
Sony are "desperate" in Japan, so they bought the exclusivity of MH5 ? They made a contract specifically to exclude another console (a console that hasn't even been released yet and that probably hasn't even been revealed by the time Sony would have supposedly made this deal ?)

They're switching the whole formula for something western-centric ? They would betrays their entire japanese fanbase which account for more than 80% of every iteration's sales ?
Oh but hey the portable series is back, because the MH Team can surely manage three series in the same time (MH, Portable and Frontier), of course.

Seriously people.

In all fairness, see what they did with and think about SF5. It makes little sense, but I wouldn't put it past them. The game sold okay on Wii, they already had split bases with 3U, it's not unreasonable for them to try their hands at a console MH. As poorly as that rumor was phrased, a modified MH on consoles is not impossible.

 

[The Abominable Snowman]

With the Switch launching soon, it'd make sense to do multiplatform NS/PS4/XB1/PC versions, with the latter three taking advantage of the increased muscle visually and lack of size restraints. Switch will be the sole crown holder of handhelds in handheld-oriented markets (Japan) but it'll be quite a while before it builds a respectable userbase. Especially one that has the huge MH launch sales. A multiplat release makes it somewhat feasible.

 

[Chindogg]

Talk about flawed logic. Monster Hunter took off on portable because that allowed people to play the game together. The ps2 couldn't possibly offer the same experience ( even with that HORRIBLE online modem thing they released lol ).

Current gen consoles and their online integration / communites could easily emulate the incredible Monster hunter multiplayer experience and even take it to new heights. Watch the series become a monster hit once it hits PS4. Guaranteed.

A niche game in the west isn't just going to magically become a monster hit on it's own. Unless Sony ponies up the cash to market the game, it's not gonna happen.

 

[ArtHands]

Talk about flawed logic. Monster Hunter took off on portable because that allowed people to play the game together. The ps2 couldn't possibly offer the same experience ( even with that HORRIBLE online modem thing they released lol ).

Current gen consoles and their online integration / communites could easily emulate the incredible Monster hunter multiplayer experience and even take it to new heights. Watch the series become a monster hit once it hits PS4. Guaranteed.

How's the performance of the MH clones on PS4 so far?

 

[MatrixMan.EXE]

I just read the "rumour" in its entierty. Holy crap, how anyone can believe this mess ?
Sony are "desperate" in Japan, so they bought the exclusivity of MH5 ? They made a contract specifically to exclude another console (a console that hasn't even been released yet and that probably hasn't even been revealed by the time Sony would have supposedly made this deal ?)

They're switching the whole formula for something western-centric ? They would betrays their entire japanese fanbase which account for more than 80% of every iteration's sales ?
Oh but hey the portable series is back, because the MH Team can surely manage three series in the same time (MH, Portable and Frontier), of course.

Seriously people.

Calm down mate. Just wait for the game reveal.

 

[Jawmuncher]

I will say to me this sounds like nothing more than monster hunter switch. Since part of MH success is that the costs to make the games are so low compared to say something like Resident Evil mainline.

So even if the series goes back to being on more than just Nintendo, I wouldn't expect super graphics like the Chinese game that uses crytek engine. Since with switch, they could get away with what they have now but hd much like we saw with monster hunter 3.

Now with all of that said. I feel like their western growth is still going to be capped where it's at unless some changes are made. Some of which would probably piss off long time fans if they're not optional. MH has a high curve and sticks out as being a Japanese game more so than dark souls or dragons dogma.

MH is easily their biggest franchise that has really kept that Japanese feel. Compared to stuff like DMC which kinda bridges the gap

 

[ezodagrom]

How much does Dark Souls sell?

On PC alone (steamspy):
Dark Souls - 2.7m
Dark Souls II - 1m
Dark Souls II SotFS - 0.9m
Dark Souls III - 1.1m

Imagine on consoles then.

 

[daakusedo]

Tricky situation for capcom, they won't get big success in the west the way mh is but can't ruin it for Japan either, that naive comment about sfv and now that 4ch rumour just come to mind, that coud get ugly.

 

[silva1991]

So the next big game for PS4 is inevitable and that's smart

Switch version for huge Japanese sales and PS4 for potentially great non Japanese sales.

I demand Deep Down visuals.

 

[Duggie_Brown]

The controls of Monster Hunter itself has and continues to put many people off and I don't see Capcom changing that. If they did, then they might as well take what they did with Dragons Dogma, which in my mind wouldn't be a bad thing.

I can easily see Monster Hunter appearing on both the Switch and PS4, but don't expect it to have amazing graphics.
Saying that, I can't even see the PS4 affecting it's sales that much. The attachment rate of software on the PS4 compared to it's install base is a joke. I'd imagine a Monster Hunter on the system selling around 2 million copies, which is fine but not exactly amazing.

 

[Ridley327]

How's the performance of the MH clones on PS4 so far?

Sadly, the NPD changes and general lack of interest makes it hard to know what they've done in the west, so all we have to go on are the Japanese sales.

That being said, Toukiden 2, a game that plays more similarly to Monster Hunter than any other hunting action game, did target console audiences with a big open world, and the result was a catastrophic flop, which saw the sales of the heavily compromised Vita version crash so hard compared to the first game that any gains they made on the PS4 were utterly neutralized.

 

[Boney]

As long as they keep those mushroom collecting quests they're not going to do well anywhere.

 

[Skinpop]

just don't westernize the content and gameplay.

 

[Jawmuncher]

So the next big game for PS4 is inevitable and that's smart

Switch version for huge Japanese sales and PS4 for potentially great non Japanese sales.

I demand Deep Down visuals.

I feel like if MH makes its way to PS4. A lot of people are gonna be mad in this regard. Unless capcom is really trying to hunker down on western monster hunter.

just don't westernize the content and gameplay.

Im curious what they'll do here. Either they run two different series which follow certain sensibilities or perhaps add a western style to the series, while not sacrificing what has appealed primarily to Japan for so long. I don't think with MH they can risk such radical changes like they've done with RE and DMC.

 

[DrROBschiz]

You motherfuckers are JUST NOW figuring this out?

Ill take a switch game regardless but i wont be upset if you finally make a PS4 game...

Still want a portable option and Sony isnt making the another portable...

 

[MegaMelon]

To everyone saying multiplat bear (bare?) in mind that you'll be splitting the userbase which is fine for the offline portion but not for the online. There's already a shortage of competent randoms in g rank as is (so not including people who got carried to g rank) so the thought of splitting that already small number of people between 2, 3 or even 4 in the case of ps4/xbo/NS/steam platforms doesn't seem like too good an idea

 

[le.phat]

A niche game in the west isn't just going to magically become a monster hit on it's own. Unless Sony ponies up the cash to market the game, it's not gonna happen.

I disagree. I think Monster Hunter as a brand has enough weight to find it's way to it's fans and to have a mainline MH on console ( that's not a port ) would generate tons of buzz on it's own.

How's the performance of the MH clones on PS4 so far?

You honestly want to use clones as a gauge for Monster hunter's succes on a console ?

 

[NSESN]

Please Capcom don't kill one of my favourite series to appeal to the west

 

[DrROBschiz]

I cant believe the level of trolling from Capcom here

Stoking the fires of a debate thats been raging in the west for damn near a decade now


Why talk about this shit now?

 

[Kingpin Rogers]

Is there a reason mh has been Nintendo excusive for so long? Is it just because the 3ds killed the vita in sales? I always figured there was some exclusivity deal between Capcom and Nintendo.

 

[LordKano]

Is there a reason mh has been Nintendo excusive for so long? Is it just because the 3ds killed the vita in sales? I always figured there was some exclusivity deal between Capcom and Nintendo.

There was at first, but then Capcom sticked with Nintendo because they were doing great on 3DS.