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Eurogamer: Nintendo Switch to get Pokémon Sun and Moon third version: Pokemon Stars

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The Lamp

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Idk why people wouldn't double dip. The 3rd versions were never straightforward ports they usually added a lot of stuff. In black and whites case they just decided to make another game with the same geometry but different story. "Preorder canceled" seems really reactionary.

Pokémon games are exhausting, grindy, and repetitive. I stopped buying third versions a few gens ago because I would get bored going through the first several hours of campaign I played the year before. At least this time there's newness with kahunas, island challenges, etc
 
Idk why people wouldn't double dip. The 3rd versions were never straightforward ports they usually added a lot of stuff. In black and whites case they just decided to make another game with the same geometry but different story. "Preorder canceled" seems really reactionary.

for me it's just I'm not really DYING to play it. I love Pokemon games and have gotten them all but I can easily wait 6-8 months. Lots of other games to play in the meantime between the shooters and ff15 coming up and others. It also gives me another reason to want the Switch beyond Zelda/Mario.
 
what is the rumoured release date if its summer I will wait but if its christmas I will double dip

I hope stars has

gym leaders
more alolan forms
new mega's
postgame story
return to kalos
more trials
 
After month of Neoxon saying "It's not happening" on the NX speculation threads, It's nice to see that I was right :p
Game Freak was pretty shitty when dealing with the 3DS. I guess the excuse of being Backwards Compatible let them make 2 Pokemon games pretty close to 3DS's launch (I think Black/White was a month before 3DS's launch and B/W2 was a year after) despite the 3DS struggling.
A Big new Zelda, Mario, Pokemon, DQXI, and more targeting year one seems like a pretty amazing line up.
 

Daemul

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Idk why people wouldn't double dip. The 3rd versions were never straightforward ports they usually added a lot of stuff. In black and whites case they just decided to make another game with the same geometry but different story. "Preorder canceled" seems really reactionary.

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Pokémon games last usually dozens of hours. People do not always have much time to play games and thus prefer playing an enhanced version once instead of playing twice the same game. Even if the third version has additional content, not all people are ready to spend another several dozens of hours to enjoy what has been added. Better wait a bit more and directly enjoy the third version imo.

Pokémon games are exhausting, grindy, and repetitive. I stopped buying third versions a few gens ago because I would get bored going through the first several hours of campaign I played the year before. At least this time there's newness with kahunas, island challenges, etc

for me it's just I'm not really DYING to play it. I love Pokemon games and have gotten them all but I can easily wait 6-8 months. Lots of other games to play in the meantime between the shooters and ff15 coming up and others. It also gives me another reason to want the Switch beyond Zelda/Mario.

All of this. Go look at the sales of 3rd version Pokemon games and compare them to the sales of the initial versions, the 3rd versions always sell massively less, e.g. DP sold 17.6 million whilst Platinum sold 7.6 million.

The majority of people do not double dip and are content with buying only one Pokemon game per new generation, along with a remake of an older generation game if there is one, otherwise it's just the one for them because even with all the added content 3rd versions have, you're basically still playing through the exact same shit with the same damn story you've already seen.

Btw if anyone is interested in Pokemon sales(along with the sales of other Nintendo titles), they're all complied in this NeoGAF thread
 
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All of this. Go look at the sales of 3rd version Pokemon games and compare them to the sales of the initial versions, the 3rd versions always sell massively less, e.g. DP sold 17.6 million whilst Platinum sold 7.6 million.

The majority of people do not double dip and are content with buying only one Pokemon game per new generation, along with a remake of an older generation game if there is one, otherwise it's just the one for them because even with all the added content 3rd versions have, you're basically still playing through the exact same shit with the same damn story you've already seen.

the 3rd version sells less because its only 1 game,

pretty much every 3rd version sells about 40-50% what the original versions sold,
 
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All of this. Go look at the sales of 3rd version Pokemon games and compare them to the sales of the initial versions, the 3rd versions always sell massively less, e.g. DP sold 17.6 million whilst Platinum sold 7.6 million.

The majority of people do not double dip and are content with buying only one Pokemon game per new generation, along with a remake of an older generation game if there is one, otherwise it's just the one for them because even with all the added content 3rd versions have, you're basically still playing through the exact same shit with the same damn story you've already seen.

Btw if anyone is interested in Pokemon sales(along with the sales of other Nintendo titles), they're all complied in this NeoGAF thread

Like others have said, its only one game vs 2.

However...
What about black and white 2 vs black and white?
 
They actually said that Summer 2017 was the original plan but it got pushed back. My guess, they pinned Zelda for a summer release, so Pokémon Stars got delayed to the holidays.
If its really a third version, it would be far too soon to sell it like 7 months later vs 12 anyway. And they have no reason not to put it on the 3ds next year also.
 

Daemul

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the 3rd version sells less because its only 1 game,

pretty much every 3rd version sells about 40-50% what the original versions sold,

It's more like 60-70% of the original tbh, with Yellow and B2W2 coming closer to the 50% mark, and your post implies that if third versions had two games then they would sell closer to the original versions, but B2W2 put an end to that myth, they only sold a million more copies than Platinum did.

Holy crap, when did B2/W2 outsell Pokemon Platinum!? I was always under the impression those were the worst-selling Pokemon games.

Like 3 years ago lol
 
what is the rumoured release date if its summer I will wait but if its christmas I will double dip

I hope stars has

gym leaders
more alolan forms
new mega's
postgame story
return to kalos
more trials

A return to Kalos would be immense.

Hope they do DLC. Pokemon is one series I wouldn't mind a Destiny-style approach, with lite story expansions dropping every year, as a sequel is in the works.
 

NandoGip

Member
Fuck. Gonna be tough to pick to from switch or Scorpio. Could either buy both or get the switch and a new pc.

Flagship Pokémon game on a console has been a dream since a kid. I haven't even touched these games in like 5 generations
 
Day one and the Switch's first killer app.
Well, I think it's more of, "the game that will prove to the audience that the Switch is a true hybrid that will place both traditional handheld and console games."

Btw, some people seem to be worried that Nintendo may not have much left for the following years. Before Emily decided to go silent, she said that, "knowing what she knows" she doubts it.
 
Do you guys think Nintendo should release the 3rd version on 3ds as well, even if it hurts switch sales?

Hmm or maybe switch version can gave more content like a Pokemon stadium of sorts.
 

ggx2ac

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Well, I think it's more of, "the game that will prove to the audience that the Switch is a true hybrid that will place both traditional handheld and console games."

Btw, some people seem to be worried that Nintendo may not have much left for the following years. Before Emily decided to go silent, she said that, "knowing what she knows" she doubts it.

I'm assuming those people are the ones that can only name Mario or Zelda when they talk about Nintendo games that they play.
 

Sandfox

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Please let the fucking dolphin and snowman be in it

I'm confident Crabominable was the snowman.

Well, I think it's more of, "the game that will prove to the audience that the Switch is a true hybrid that will place both traditional handheld and console games."

Btw, some people seem to be worried that Nintendo may not have much left for the following years. Before Emily decided to go silent, she said that, "knowing what she knows" she doubts it.
The games we know about are coming out like within the first six months and a number of them are ports so I don't see how people can think that.
 
At the very least it has to have better textures and dof. What other improvements it'll have beyond that remains to be seen.
A modern lighting engine to complement the setting would be nice too. Saw someone point out WWHD as a good example. Assets are still GCN level for the most part (I think textures are smoothed over but not redone) but it looks amazing most of the time. Would suit the tropical setting too.
 

kraspkibble

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excellent! i was tempted to buy a 3ds because i really want to play sun/moon. i'll just get this on the Switch then! i cant wait for pokemon on my tv.
 
Before Popplio and it's line come along, I always thought a Dolphin and Mermaid hybrid could work as a good water starter line. Have it be water/fairy and have a similar build to Milotic. Primarina destroyed those dreams. Although I actually like Popplio, Brionne and Primarina's design.
 

Luigiv

Member
A modern lighting engine to complement the setting would be nice too. Saw someone point out WWHD as a good example. Assets are still GCN level for the most part (I think textures are smoothed over but not redone) but it looks amazing most of the time. Would suit the tropical setting too.

Yeah I agree, but you never know with Game Freak. That said, as a correction, WWHD's textures were totally redrawn, not just a simple smoothing over.
 
Isn't the Switch like 1000x more powerful than a 3DS. I expect a ton of upgrades with this version. At the very least a stable frame rate and 900p resolution at the least.

Lets see.. the PICA200 GPU in the 3DS' GPU is around 6.4GFLOPS. If the Switch is around 512 GFLOPS, that is exactly 80x , and that doesn't include Switch's advantage in using FP16. It also has over 30x the RAM for games (96MB vs 3.2GB), and CPU power that may have an even greater difference than the GPU.

The Switch likely doesn't have PICA200's fixed shaders, but there is such a massive difference in raw power that a 60fps frame rate and 1080p resolution should be a given unless they massively bump up other things.
 

oti

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Idk why people wouldn't double dip. The 3rd versions were never straightforward ports they usually added a lot of stuff. In black and whites case they just decided to make another game with the same geometry but different story. "Preorder canceled" seems really reactionary.

I like Pokémon games but they all have the same rhythm that gets exhausting after a while. I play one Pokémon game and then I'm good for three years or so. I already have Moon so I'll skip the Switch version.
 
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